a bunch of people use apples to dojo, plus anyone can buy them for it, so Im pretty sure they count. its like saying any source of weapon attack in general doesnt count[/quote]
A lot of people use apples to dojo in order to get a better time. But they wouldn't link the onyx apple to their own accomplishments in term of damage goals. That's why you would rarely see any damage range thread that allows people to use onyx apples. However, this isn't my belief necessarily, more of the maplers that care bout damage.