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Angel Ray now hits 8 times

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How do you guys feel about this? I like how it's a 1v1 skill now.

June 18, 2013

58 Comments • Newest first

xProHeal

[quote=JustAnotherUser]I'm dying to try it but I can't log in. Ohh the pain...[/quote]

Cya whenever you get in.

Reply December 8, 2013
Lynerus

I don't really like how AR looks/fires now it's weird
But big bang kinda owns now

AR when you need to heal gen+BB for training
You don't even need heal now wonder hwy we still have it

Reply December 7, 2013
JustAnotherUser

I'm dying to try it but I can't log in. Ohh the pain...

Reply December 7, 2013 - edited
natty2

I still call it GenBang

Reply December 7, 2013 - edited
xiCreate

Still need to try it out
been away for like 1 year, gonna go back to maple again

Reply June 21, 2013 - edited
natty2

[quote=LordAschEX]I like GeneBang.
Anyways this is exciting though. We can buff with in VoA now too, which means we can pretty much just run around with it on all the time.[/quote]

I agree with GeneBang
Catchy, and easy to remember.
Also, the Unleashed patch showed me just how much Bishops are important in the new Golems map.
People NEEDED my shield skill, like air to breathe.

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
LordAschEX

[quote=JustAnotherUser]Shining ray and Heaven's door I guess. Don't see why'd you need something other than the new Big bang + Genesis (How should we call it anyways? GeneBang? BigGene?BeeGee? Big Bang + Genesis always seemed too long for me).[/quote]

I like GeneBang.
Anyways this is exciting though. We can buff with in VoA now too, which means we can pretty much just run around with it on all the time.

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
JustAnotherUser

[quote=UNfazed]@JustAnotherUser: Herp I just read the patch notes it turns to single target 8 hits only while vengenace of angel is toggled.[/quote]
Yup, but I believe BigBang is stronger than Angel Ray without VoA.

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
UNfazed

@JustAnotherUser: Herp I just read the patch notes it turns to single target 8 hits only while vengenace of angel is toggled.

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
JustAnotherUser

[quote=UNfazed]I like it, but do we get a separate mobbing skill other than Big Bang + Genesis?[/quote]
Shining ray and Heaven's door I guess. Don't see why'd you need something other than the new Big bang + Genesis (How should we call it anyways? GeneBang? BigGene?BeeGee? Big Bang + Genesis always seemed too long for me).

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
UNfazed

I like it, but do we get a separate mobbing skill other than Big Bang + Genesis?

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
lazershock

[quote=xProHeal]I don't know if I really like this when thinking about it. One on hand it's nice, but on the other it's kinda a slap in the face when the recent update made us more party oriented it seemed.[/quote]

I would assume this is one of those things where it exists solely for the purpose of defending yourself if you really have to =P

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
xProHeal

I don't know if I really like this when thinking about it. One on hand it's nice, but on the other it's kinda a slap in the face when the recent update made us more party oriented it seemed.

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
natty2

I LOVE IT! <3
wow, NOW I feel like a bosser!

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
jeffreysty4

[quote=CaptCookie]This includes VoA's 20% damage added to Angel Ray(for right now), assuming that it is the same as KMS's version. In the GMS patch, it just says 20% damage so I'm unsure.
Right now: 395% x 5 (and x6 for mobs) = 1975% (1 mob) or 11,850% (6 mobs total) + 50 M.Att +20% DEF ignore, no buffing
RED: 365% x 8 = 2920% (1 mob) +50 M.Att +20% DEF ignore, but can buff and heal 50% HP (according to M.ATT)

Angel Ray will stop being a mobbing skill but Big Bang + Genesis combo will definitely make up the losses.

Right now: </3
RED: Genesis first: 4860% to 12 monsters + Big Bang 375% x 4 times x 6 monsters = 6360% (1 mob) or 13,860% (6 mobs total), 40% defense reduction(10% 4 times) for 15 secs, spammable for 45 secs until Genesis can be used again, has an AOE, and can be used while jumping.

Don't forget the new magic damage formula! [/quote]

might I ask what is the new magic damage formula?

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
bubblecup118

OP I say, this is better than some other explorer 1 vs 1.

Reply June 20, 2013 - edited
Suryoyo

that is sooo op

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
JustAnotherUser

If that critical damage glitch doesn't get fixed, holy crap at 8 lines Angel ray.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
jjohnson10

Hm...I almost broke out in tears when I saw VoA was now an Enrage skill, but all the mathcraft in this thread has dried my eyes somewhat. Big Bang looks somewhat weak in the videos, though. Guess we'll just have to wait and see until RED comes to KMS proper and people who actually do damage get their hands on the changes.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
Deadly1337

@WeatherProof: yes but when you toggle off VoA you lose an entire line,the casting speed, and the 50 matk buff.
just to mob you need to turn off VoA use big bang or heavens door, then recast it

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
xProHeal

@WeatherProof Is BB spammable now with AA on (serious question.. to lazy to look up though I'm guessing no)? Regardless, AR being a mob skill without it on is still good. I rather would use BB to get that ignore up and then spam AR with AA on. That's just how I think it should be used by just reading skills. My opinion may change once it hits GMS though.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
WeatherProof

[quote=Deadly1337]we lose vengeance of angels 20% boost to angel ray. so we lose 100% from our 5 lines, but gain back over 1100% in 3 lines but it becomes 1v1
so..mobbing wise...we suck again[/quote]

Why would we suck at mobbing? Not only do we have the new big bang, but avenging angel is a toggle skill, and if you want to mob, just turn it off. o_O

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
OrionTempest

@JustAnotherUser: Yeah, they added an Elemental DEF Ignore to Insight, and changed Empathy's +Quest EXP to +Buff Duration this KMST.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
JustAnotherUser

@OrionTempest: Oh so it's from insight? I thought it was being added to VoA or something, that makes sense I got my jimmies all rustled from not reading properly and started babbling a lot. Tends to happen to me a lot.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
DrStrangenoob

[quote=Deadly1337]we lose vengeance of angels 20% boost to angel ray. so we lose 100% from our 5 lines, but gain back over 1100% in 3 lines but it becomes 1v1
so..mobbing wise...we suck again[/quote]

The 20% damage boost from VoA is neither additive nor multiplicative with AR's base damage of 375%. Those kind of "reinforce" hyper skills work like % total damage, which means it's additive with boss damage and other %total damage skills like arcane aim.

See this for more detail: http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=65562&title=Defense Ignore Formula & Reinforce Hyper Skills

In a nutshell, the 20% damage boost for AR is neither (375% + 20% = 395% per hit) or (375% x 1.2 = 450% per hit). And the more boss damage or % total damage you have, the less impact the 20% boost from VoA is.

Anyways, I don't see why we stole enrage from heroes, but meh. Looks like we got a pretty big 1v1 damage boost F3.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
IsGamer

Hehe, I will really like this

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
OrionTempest

[quote=JustAnotherUser]BB spam is nealy as strong as current Angel ray+AA on the top of having a much bette range. Also Angel ray went from 2190% (438% x5) to 2920% (365% x8). Keep in mind that Avenging Angel's damage boost was additive with boss damage and total damage(and I think Arcane Aim too? not too sure about that) so it really wasn't a flat 20% damage at all.
Along with Adv Blessing's 10% boss killer, Blessing ensemble's damage boost and the fact that we now ignore elemental resistance; this is HUGE. I can't even restrain myself from spamming in this thread.[/quote]

Except it's not a complete elemental resistance ignore, they just added a small amount onto Insight so it's not completely useless. I'm going to guess around 30% or so from Lv100 Insight?

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
Amuro

I didn't enjoy not being able to heal/re-buff without turning the MagnaAngemon buff off first, so this is great news. I still don't like the new AR animation as much though. Can't wait to see what 5th job looks like.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
JustAnotherUser

[quote=Deadly1337]we lose vengeance of angels 20% boost to angel ray. so we lose 100% from our 5 lines, but gain back over 1100% in 3 lines but it becomes 1v1
so..mobbing wise...we suck again[/quote]
BB spam is nealy as strong as current Angel ray+AA on the top of having a much bette range. Also Angel ray went from 2190% (438% x5) to 2920% (365% x8). Keep in mind that Avenging Angel's damage boost was additive with boss damage and total damage(and I think Arcane Aim too? not too sure about that) so it really wasn't a flat 20% damage at all.
Along with Adv Blessing's 10% boss killer, Blessing ensemble's damage boost and the fact that we now ignore elemental resistance; this is HUGE. I can't even restrain myself from spamming in this thread.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
Deadly1337

[quote=WeatherProof]It says we lose the damage boost. I'm not exactly sure what this entails from the MATT, PDR and %Damage we get.

Regardless I think this update is awesome. 8 hits is so many, and ontop of that we can buff now with it on? Sweet.[/quote]

we lose vengeance of angels 20% boost to angel ray. so we lose 100% from our 5 lines, but gain back over 1100% in 3 lines but it becomes 1v1
so..mobbing wise...we suck again

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
ImAPro

YES I love that its a 1v1! For some reason I've always liked having a move for mobbing and a move for bossing, rather than just one move for both.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
WeatherProof

It says we lose the damage boost. I'm not exactly sure what this entails from the MATT, PDR and %Damage we get.

Regardless I think this update is awesome. 8 hits is so many, and ontop of that we can buff now with it on? Sweet.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
BlueBocks

[quote=JustAnotherUser]JESUS.WHAT. WE IGNORE ELEMENTAL RESISTANCE NOW?
Okay, now I feel a little spoiled. This is too good, someone hold me.[/quote]
I'll do more than that.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
JustAnotherUser

[quote=Deadly1337]"insight has received an additional effect of ignoring a certain percentage of monsters' elemental resistance."

uhh WOW? so bishops can now have some elemental reset % LOL

edit:we lose ALOT of damage on angel ray for mobbing[like 400% total] but angel ray+VoA for bossing makes us one of the highest hitting classes out of non nova classes[jesus like 375%*8 +we can buff with VoA active +it still has the healing effect[albeit reduced][/quote]
JESUS.WHAT. WE IGNORE ELEMENTAL RESISTANCE NOW?
Okay, now I feel a little spoiled. This is too good, someone hold me.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
Deadly1337

"insight has received an additional effect of ignoring a certain percentage of monsters' elemental resistance."

uhh WOW? so bishops can now have some elemental reset % LOL

edit:we lose ALOT of damage on angel ray for mobbing[like 400% total] but angel ray+VoA for bossing makes us one of the highest hitting classes out of non nova classes[jesus like 375%*8 +we can buff with VoA active +it still has the healing effect[albeit reduced]

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
JustAnotherUser

This is... I'll have fun with this. I'm very content with the change, however, I'm still going to miss the animation.

Reply June 19, 2013 - edited
BlueBocks

@IsGamer: Don't feel bad. It's still a good guide for people who are new to the class.

Reply June 18, 2013 - edited
IsGamer

@BlueBocks: Hmm, wow, you're not the first person that has liked it, i must then edit it according to the most actual updates so i can make it a good one.

Sadly, it was never stickied

Reply June 18, 2013 - edited
BlueBocks

[quote=IsGamer]@BlueBocks: Hohoho, i think my guide can help! It has helped with tons of comeback people, trust me, anyone here can agree if they saw it.

Here is it: http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2613548/0/IsGamer_ClericPriestBishop_Guide.html[/quote]
Thanks for the guide. I'll be sure to like it.

Reply June 18, 2013 - edited
IsGamer

@BlueBocks: Hohoho, i think my guide can help! It has helped with tons of comeback people, trust me, anyone here can agree if they saw it.

Here is it: http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2613548/0/IsGamer_ClericPriestBishop_Guide.html

Reply June 18, 2013 - edited
BlueBocks

@IsGamer: I'm sorry. I'm having a difficult time understanding all of this.

Reply June 18, 2013 - edited
IsGamer

@BlueBocks: I know that fact, i didn't misunderstood.

Reply June 18, 2013 - edited
BlueBocks

@IsGamer: Wat. No. I've played for a long time then quit a couple months back. I just came back like a day ago.

Reply June 18, 2013 - edited
IsGamer

@BlueBocks: Hmm, i couldn't really explain to someone that has played for just one day.

Oh well, i was just telling something funny and sort of out of topic, just said that for making positiveness.

Reply June 18, 2013 - edited
BlueBocks

[quote=IsGamer]... I am being for real, update yourself to the recent and future patches and you will understand better what i am talking about.[/quote]

I have. I still don't see much of a difference. Probably because I've only been playing for one day since coming back. Want to explain to me instead?

Reply June 18, 2013 - edited
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