General

[quote=Viaje]Well, maybe not officially.
Think about it though: there's really no reason for them to forget about them.
It just means more work for their artists and adding another four items that serve no purpose other than looking different.

Spears and Polearms are in danger of falling into the same problem, which is why I think they should be class-exclusive weapons.
They could do the same thing with wands. Force mages to use them.
My brother actually had a brilliant idea for Evans and that was to make them use a new weapon, a book. Would make sense due to the fact that the characters themselves don't actually attack.

Another thing they could change is to get rid of item-exclusive scrolls too...
Instead of Sword for Attack it'd simply be Weapon for Attack.[/quote]

So many simple yet genius ideas D:
It doesn't matter that much. If I ever got the one-handed sword, which would be never, I'm willing to give up a bit of strength to equip it. After all I get quite a bit of DEX from my equips, plus my base dex is freaking 50. Of course, this'll never happen ^^ So I'll focus on the level 130 Proffesion items instead.

[quote=Viaje]Had it coming? 0.o
Anyway, Nexon looks to be trying to phase Axes and BWs out, seeing as the top three weapon sets lack both.

Lionheart sets:
http://www.northperry.net/showthread.php?t=31681
http://www.northperry.net/showthread.php?t=32842

Personally, I think that they need to reorganize the warrior weapons.
Make Heroes use 2H, make Palis use 1H, and make Dark Knights use Spears.[/quote]

I like that idea.
Dang, theyre really phasing axes and hammers out? Oh well...tho honestly I don't see why they still have wands...

[quote=Viaje]They're worth it. Have fun being low-Dex and weak.

You are provably wrong.

To quote myself:
"Let's say you have 1000 (for easier mathz) base of your primary statl.
Now let's say you reset 166 into your secondary stat just to equip these. That would put you at 834 STR or 83.4% of your original STR (you lost 16.6%).
We'll pretend that Dex is totally moot (which it isn't) which means that, due to the purely multiplicative nature of the damage formula, you lost 16.6% of your damage.

Now let's say you somehow have 200 w.att from all your equipment. We'll ignore the extra attack that the equips give and focus only on the set bonus, so we'll pretend that these have the same stats as your old stuff.
45/200 = 0.225. You're getting 22.5% stronger purely from the set bonus.

Now to throw these into the actual damage formula. Since you're a Dark Knight, I'll use the spear/polearm multiplier.
Pure STR
1.49 * 4 * 1000 * 200 / 100 = 11920

140 Equipper
1.49 * 4 * 834 * 245 / 100 = 12178

Overall, you're getting a 2.165% boost.
Again, this is making a couple of assumptions in favor of the dexless route."

So, basically, if you could get a full set, you'd want to do whatever you could to equip the full set. As Mancartia said, it is possible to equip them Dexless.

[b]@Everyone-[/b] Getting huffy about these weapons is silly anyway since they have been confirmed to only drop from Cygnus, who is outright impossible. Seriously. She will kill your ass in about a minute.

What you SHOULD be concerned about are these: http://www.northperry.net/showthread.php?t=35684
They are the 130 equips. Oh, wait, no BWs there either. [/quote]

[quote=Kojo]
not really worth the time, effort[/quote]

I'm not only factoring in the damage. How the hell are you supposed to get the damn equips in the first place? And then just to get 170 DEX just to wear them to get a 2.165% damage boost? I already read your calculations on northperry.

[quote=Viaje]
What you SHOULD be concerned about are these: http://www.northperry.net/showthread.php?t=35684
They are the 130 equips. Oh, wait, no BWs there either. [/quote]

*zombiecancer face*
Eh, I guess I'll switch to swords in the future. I kinda had this coming anyway *shrugs*

I dont like the level 140 equips being added so much. Its kind of frustrating that a majority of my equips are untradeable and are going to be outdated after all of the time i spent trying to upgrade them. I'll have to see for myself when the equips come to judge them. Does anyone have a link to the list of equips +stats?
nevermind- http://spadow.wordpress.com/2010/12/29/kmst-v360361-lv-140-equipment/#more-6745
Maybe the items cannot be potentialed because as im looking at them it seems like they already have bonus stats.

Looking at everything above, now I'm no longer totally upset about the whole thing, tho since this is a agame and all i really have no reason to be in the first place.
Cult's right, I should've said Spears instead of Polearms. I just randomly chose one of the two.

I'm happy to see that everyone who replied on this thread had something useful to say. Although what Kojo said about my 'BW fangirlism' was pretty uncouth.
I like maces, but I'm not obsessed. And I know swords are better, I would just never use one because I don't like them :x
Also, BWs are not 2 speeds slower than swords. They're 1 speed slower, and also have more base Attack.

Actually she's right that PA is useless. 122 attack vs. and arc's 102 attack. Slow (8) speed vs arc's Normal (6) speed. Arc is better without the mech robot. And they'd rather use their summon. Chaos eliminates tier 4 pot, so I've heard. Its basically a VIP polearm with extra dex required. Not worth it. Id rather save up for VIP rather than the new level 140 PA.
If the fast level 130 polearm was kept, the base dex would be good to add. However, Swords > BWs, Axes, due to greater weapon speed. And since separate masteries are gone, there's no reason to add a weapon thats just 2 speed levels lower and same stats otherwise.

Mneh I'm not bothered, I always have been and always be a sword user, whether I'm playing my pali, fighter or dw >_>

Agreed over the wand thing though. Staffs can be used by all mages and yet they made both a lv140 wand AND staff, wtf. (it's not like mages are even affected by weapon speed either, aside from explosion, and you barely use it in 4th job as an fp loool)

The 170 dex requirement really puts me off though... I had a hard enough time getting where I am now with 128 total dex (4 base dex). I don't think they balanced the stat requirements from job to job very well on these weapons, honestly.

To be honest, I think those armors/weapons are only good for Thieves because the requirement for their armor is already pretty high compared to the lv140 armor. For every other class it's not really worth the time, effort, and the secondary stat requirement.

And I don't get this fanboy/girlism you have about BWs.