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29-JUN Another reckless decision or the right one?

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gakinotsukai Level 240 Bera Bishop
forums.maplestory.nexon.net/discussion/14386/duplicated-item-removal

Leveling another union noob yesterday, I noticed the smega's were exploding with quitting messages and even more grim nexon attacks.

Later in the night, it became more obvious that nexon had deleted hacked/duped items without any warning or any compensation for players.

From the thread, "This decision was made to combat hackers, discourage the usage of exploited equipment, and address an issue with the game's state of balance caused by these items."

Now I think the general basis behind trying to restore some balance and discourage hacked items is great. However, I certainly do not believe that this is not the way to handle it. If you ask me, I would have no way of knowing whether something that's in someone's shop/auction house is hacked/duped or not. For me to spend years to save up enough mesos to buy an item only to have it deleted would be pretty upsetting to me. Whether it was the time spent or real money spent. Using money to buy items have been unpunished for so long that it's almost become a standard in this game. To one day just say "nope" is a pretty low blow, especially if you consider how much some items even sell for in USD.

So I wanted to ask, what do you guys think about how Nexon's handling this?

Moving forward, I'm sure the worlds will become considerably more silent and less trades/purchases happening. Instead of punishing everyone who holds the items, punish the people who are actually creating said items.
Posted: June 2017 Permalink

29-JUN Another reckless decision or the right one?

54%12 / 22Nexon made the right decision.
36%8 / 22Nexon handled the situation incorrectly.
0%0 / 22Revert changes and keep the items.
9%2 / 22Other?

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hualicious Level 209 Scania Night Lord See what games, anime & art hualicious is intoHualicious
This is a hard decision. I made a guess right after the game was up, when 'certain' players were unable to login on their main character, that it had something to do with duped items. It only needed a few hours to confirm it when these players were able to login to the game.

Most of these players do know about these kind of stuff. It's exactly the same players who often abuse in the game and of course there are sadly also players who are unaware of and get scammed this way by purchasing a 'deleted' duped item.

I can't say if Nexon made the right decision but I can say this is a good punishment for those who often cheat in this game and still did the transaction, although it's also unfair because it's not a tiny amount of 'cash' that they lost.
Jun 30 2017
pinyin Level 107 Zenith Beginner
Hackers with high status pretending to quit after selling fake stuff to people for tons of cash, ha. I kept telling myself anyone with two or more of those is bad news. Feel bad for those who made such transactions.
Jun 30 2017
andreaverilia Level 209 Windia Evan 10th Growth
Who knows maybe they will give a ''second'' chance like they did with the old exploit that gave hammers, scrolls and cubes for clicking receive multiple times.
They had to unban everyone because they lost little more than 70% of their population lmao.

I stopped playing there even tho I did get unbanned

I think they did a 50 / 50 thing, good and bad for them that'll eventually be the same for most community later.
The thing is that dupers already earned all that real life currency, Nexon is a bit late on this action.
Jun 30 2017
gakinotsukai Level 240 Bera Bishop
I just hope nexon proactively deletes daily, if they wait for months to years to delete duped items again, they just aren't learning.
Jun 30 2017
gakinotsukai Level 240 Bera Bishop
@hualicious: That's also a part of my concern too. Dupers dupe and create, those items goes into circulation. Nexon deletes those items pissing the current owner of that item. Duper continues to make more and make money.

Who's really affected by this if you aren't killing off the source.
Jun 30 2017
gakinotsukai Level 240 Bera Bishop
@deeemon: No one will disagree those were annoying, but one has to now tread really carefully beyond this incident.

Items that were tainted were just removed. You have a tyrant that has a star enhancement that was used with a duped no boom. Might as well delete that as well. You sold a piece of NX but the purchase was using botted meso, your item sold and your meso gain deleted.

Oh and btw, no compensation. That's what I'm afraid of.

*Edit* unless they're planning on putting every single p2w item for ingame availability that's not ridiculous endgame. No boom AEE, frenzy, lgr, primes, outlaw, broid, perm pendant, perm hyper tele, etc... If they're able to be obtained through in games means rather than really awful rng boxes then sure. Until then, I suspect in one way or another everyone will be affected in the future whether it be through mesos or items.

If I roll a 30% stat gollux pendant, and want to trade for my stat with equivalent stats, I don't want to have to worry about whether it's going to be deleted in the future while he gets to keep mine because the one he traded me was not legit. I already don't trade except with friends in RL due to lack of trusting others in this game, but it shouldn't have to be like this.
Jun 30 2017
rachelll Level 235 Windia Bow MasterSheriff
+2 Nexon made the right decision at the wrong time and for the wrong reason. If they were sincere about restoring the balance of the game and all that stuff they claimed, they would've done it a very long time ago.

There's clearly a Double Miracle Time coming up very soon and it's hard not to notice that doing this(deletion) immediately prior to Miracle Time benefits them in many ways. MT would soften the blow to those who lost their items so they won't quit. It's also worth pointing out that a majority of those who lost their items are willing to spend money in this game as a good portion of these items were bought with real life currency.

Regardless of how you feel about this action, this was another inconsistent move by Nexon:
December cube exploit 2015: Those who bought items/came in contact with items that were exploited were permanently banned.

July cube exploit 2016: Those who bought items/came in contact (including mules of exploiters)were NOT banned. Only those who directly exploited the bug (which was the same as the December one) were banned.

Arcane weapon exploit: Some of those who came in contact with items/bought the items were permanently banned.

Removal of duplicated items: None of those who came in contact with items/bought the items were banned.

All 4 cases violated the same part of the ToS regarding benefiting from hackers/exploiters. The 1st 3 were caused by a game bug being exploited. The 4th one is a blatant duping of item. Either ban everyone who came in contact with duped items/bought duped items or unban those who got banned for the same/lesser offense in the past.
Jun 30 2017
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