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2H VS 1H Shield post 5th job

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noblequality Level 210 Scania Hero
With the damage cap being capped at 10B, are 1H + Shield still the superior weapon of choice? Or would the 2H weapon multiplier be better?
Posted: November 2016 Permalink

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nessity Level 209 KradiaEMS Xenon 4
Im not sure how much attack you can get on a shield, since 2h weapons have a higher Base damage and multiplier i feel 2h should nullify any few extra attack a shield Will give you.

(Not sure on this but i feel it to be true)
Nov 09 2016
noblequality Level 210 Scania Hero
@nessity i m hearing people saying Ryude's Sword would be the weapon of choice.
Nov 10 2016
rexaar Level 225 Scania Hero
+2 If attack speed doesn't affect how fast and how often Sword of Burning Soul attack, then it would tip the scale in favor of 2-H weapon slightly.
Since aura weapon is fixed at an extra attack every 5 seconds, this favor 2-H weapon slightly more.

Technical data
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Weapon Multiplier difference

One-handed weapon has a weapon multiplier of 1.20.
Two-handed weapon has a weapon multiplier of 1.34, so 2-handed weapon is 11.66% stronger than 1H.
But Heroes has a hidden unexplained bonus +0.1 weapon multiplier to all weapons.
www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=71680
www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=77711

1-H weapon is 8.33% stronger, 2-H weapon is 7.46% stronger because of this.
Before, 1.34/1.2 = 1.1166, 2-H weapon is 11.66% stronger than 1-H weapon.
After, 1.44/1.3 = 1.1077, 2-H weapon is 10.77% stronger than 1-H sword.

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Speed difference
Skill delay formula [(skill delay * (10 + attack speed)/16)]round up to highest multiple of 30.
Due to rounding up, certain speed benefit 1H or 2H weapon more.

With booster, 2-H weapon users has attack speed of 4, 1-H weapon users has attack speed of 3.
Raging Blow cast speed is 840ms,
2-H weapon [(840 * (10 + 4)/16)] = 735 = 750ms
1-H weapon [(840 * (10 + 3)/16)] = 682 = 690ms
1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 8.70% with Raging blow

Enraged Raging Blow cast speed is 780ms
2-H weapon [(780 * (10 + 4)/16)] = 682 = 690ms
1-H weapon [(780 * (10 + 3)/16)] = 633 = 660ms
1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 4.54% with Raging blow

**Following data is using Enraged Raging Blow cast speed of 780ms**
+1 additional attack speed from anything, [(780 * (10 + 2)/16)] = 585 = 600ms, 1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 10% with Enraged Raging Blow.
+2 additional attack speed from anything, [(780 * (10 + 1)/16)] = 536 = 540ms, 1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 11.11% with Enraged Raging Blow.
+3 additional attack speed from anything, [(780 * 10/16)] = 487 = 510ms, 1-H weapon is faster than 2-H weapon by 5.88% with Enraged Raging Blow.
+4 additional attack speed from anything, no contest , 1-H does not benefit from this speed due to hitting the hard speed cap at +3
**Monster Park Extreme Green potion usually required for 1-H weapon to benefit from 2/3 additional attack speed when soloing, 2-handed weapon usually require it when you have 3 additional attack speed when soloing**

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Shield stats advantage (manual math required for the total str/att)
**Shields may have less impact in Reboot due to inability to scroll**
**Subtract the att/str of your secondary weapon you would be wearing when you use a 2-H weapon from the shield first, if it is negative, then your shield is weaker than your secondary weapon**
You will need to do the math yourself as everyone shield is not the same.
Let say your shield has 20 att,
if you have a total of 300 att (do not include %att in total) then 6.66% increase in damage (320/300=1.0666)
total of 500 att then 4% increase in damage (520/500=1.04)
total of 800 att then 2.5% increase in damage (820/800=1.025)

Let say your shield has 50 str,
if you have a total of 1500 str (AP in str + raw str from equips, do not include %str in the total) then 3.33% increase in damage (1550/1500=1.033)
total of 2000 str then 2.5% increase in damage (2050/2000=1.025)
total of 2500 str then 2% increase in damage (2550/2500=1.02)

**Due to some source of str/att that isn't affected by %stat/%att, increase in damage might be slightly lower**
**As your other equips get stronger in terms of att and str but your shield is still the same, the overall damage contribution from your shield alone will decrease**

2-H weapon is 10.77% stronger than 1-H sword.
+0 additional attack speed from anything, 1-H weapon is faster by 4.54% with Enraged Raging Blow, >6.23% total increase in damage from the shield stats is required for 1-H to be stronger.
+1 additional attack speed from anything, 1-H weapon is faster by 10% with Enraged Raging Blow, >0.77% total increase in damage from the shield stats is required for 1-H to be stronger.
+2 additional attack speed from anything, 1-H weapon is faster by 11.11% with Enraged Raging Blow, >0% total increase in damage from the shield stats is required for 1-H to be stronger.
+3 additional attack speed from anything, 1-H weapon is faster by 5.88% with Enraged Raging Blow, >4.89% total increase in damage from the shield stats is required for 1-H to be stronger.

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Conclusion:
If 1-H weapon cannot get one more extra attack with the speed advantage, 2-H weapon is stronger, unless your shield somehow increases your damage by 10.77%.
With +1 additional attack speed from anything, 1-H weapon is almost equal to 2-H weapon, the difference can easily be overcome from the shield stats.
With +2 additional attack speed from anything, 1-H weapon is slightly stronger than 2-H weapon with just the speed difference without including shield stats.
Everything else (same speed, +3 attack speed), 2-H weapon is superior, unless the increase in damage from str/att on the shield increases your overall damage by 6%.
--please note that 1-H weapon do not do more damage than 2-H weapon until the one-handed weapon get one more full attack from it speed advantage, even then 2-H weapon will out damage 1-H very slightly for a few seconds until the 1-H weapon get another extra attack off early on (in simple terms, they take turns doing the most damage early on, at some point 2-H weapon cannot take away the damage lead from 1-H weapon)--
--You do no damage if you are dead because you were too slow to dodge--

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Regarding the +5% damage from using axes, it is not final damage, it is just regular %damage so the +5% damage loses it value due to diminishing return as you get more %damage and %boss damage from your equipment.
Nov 11 2016
increveisuma Level 120 Bera Demon Avenger 1
i would go with 1-handed fast sword with a shield scrolled for high att since you should be able to spam your attack faster, but depending on the time you amass for a boss you are trying to kill, I would say that 1-handed sword is just better if lesser time, then 2-handed runs superior during a section of added time using that reference, and then finally the 1-handed shield combo would surpass the damage amassing for an even longer time span of continuous-rapid hack-and-slash game-playing style. But if you play maple like a buccaneer, then 2-handed sword can still be a better option than a 1-handed shield combo.
Nov 11 2016
vacillant Level 214 Bera Shade 4
wat about in reboot? in reboot is 2h the way to go? ive never seen a hero in reboot go 2h.
Nov 15 2016
increveisuma Level 120 Bera Demon Avenger 1
@vacillant, just scroll your own 2-handed sword, since in every server, elite players, as in most maplers will go 1-handed/shield combo for the fact that elite gets standardized.
Nov 15 2016
vacillant Level 214 Bera Shade 4
there is no scrolling in reboot
Nov 16 2016

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