Opinion NL revamp.
I am writing this because i am SUPER EXCITED FOR NLs! AND YOU SHOULD TOO! Rumors are circulating that this will hit GMS as early as Feb or late April?
I could care less about other classes (who do not have NLs) revamps and what they think of us.
I honestly do not understand why NLs are not happy campers. This revamp seem to improve us by.. A LOT. You are either one of those 'old fashion' players or greedy players who compare your class to others and complain -_-
And here are the reasons why i'm a happy camper:
1. Avenger taken out - actually it's replaced and another mobbing skill it looks like. And for the better!
2. Haste has passive effect! that's more speed!
3.A lot of skills take less points to max, due to new skills! New skills ftw!
4. We get a rush skill! - havnt seen it in action, i hope it's nothing like 'ninja storm' ( what a sad KB skill it WAS)
5. Another star! Quadthrow = stronger.
6. Star expert adds 30 atk and Dark Serenity adds 35 atk and passive 20% monster def ignored? wow... if that's not buff idk what is.
7. WE GET AN AOE? lol
8. NO MORE ROCKS?
9. THE MOST I LIKED ABOUT THIS REVAMP WAS THE REMOVAL OF USELESS SKILLS!
- Shadow Resistance deleted - good skill, but im sure it's replaced.
-Meso Up deleted - relying on this for funding is a joke.
-Shadow Meso deleted - was always a joke.
-Ninja ambush deleted- .... -_-
-Ninja Storm deleted... -_-
-disorder - was useful for balrog soloing at low lvl... but considered useless.
And the list goes on! Every change was for the better, and if you can't see that... you can't be a true NL! For those who prefer "stars being thrown one at a time" are probably hermits. Because Quadthrow seem to be the same as old TT but even better! And thats such a silly thing to be butthurt about!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2r_jlluDn0 - video of NW using Quad throw and new skills. If anyone has seen more NL revamped videos , please post!
http://sukau.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/kmst-1-2-409-thief-and-pirate-revamp/
http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/kmst-ver-1-2-409-thief-and-pirate-reorganization/ - animation & new skills! - livvlaughlovee
21 Comments • Newest first
Playing a sin back in the days before revamps and Ascension and Big Bangs, I'd agree sins and hermits weren't the most interesting classes to start with. This update by far will change everyone's opinion of that because sins were mildly tinkered with, and now it's basically a complete overhaul.
I understand you want to motivate the sin community (not everyone is a NL, and wealthy at that) but you cannot change every single person's opinion about what's coming, everyone is entitled to what they think and they have the right to express it openly. Not everyone plays the game the same way. "Nuff said.
As far as the skill changes go, some people grow accustomed to what's there because it's been there so long. TT's spam of stars won't be the same although it's moving down to 3rd job, there are now 2 types of Venomous Star, and say bye bye to 15 min onyx apples. These are just some of the things people don't want to see, but change is change.
There are positive changes, which I can't wait to see, such as an NL with the power of an AOE, more diverse skill sets, and the removal of the much annoying summoning rocks. This change won't be permanent so no one should think this change is set in stone, but it's awfully nice for Nexon to give us this kind of spotlight.
Give the revamp a fair look, if it disgusts you, find something that interests you, or take a break from your sin (or thief). I know GMS copies KMS almost completely but there's a small chance that Nexon America may decide to leave some old skills, or alter some of the new ones. We all have to just wait and see.
I'm as excited as you are. Especially seeing how fast we attack now! My only real beef (aside from alchemist/drain thing) is the wind talisman animation. I wish it were more 'sudden strong gust of wind'-ish, than laser-beam-like, the way it looks now. It's just my opinion, but it just doesn't seem to fit our look as well. Nevertheless, it looks like a very useful skill; and in the broad scheme, that's a pretty minor gripe anyways.
[quote=livvlaughlovee]@roca http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/kmst-ver-1-2-409-thief-and-pirate-reorganization/#more-1700[/quote]
perfect =) ty!
@roca http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2011/11/24/kmst-ver-1-2-409-thief-and-pirate-reorganization/#more-1700
[quote=rice4noodle]sucks if we don't need summoning rocks anymore....
i did a long quest just to be able to buy it [/quote]
You still have 4-6 months to enjoy the weekly visits to El Nath. xD
Edit: And think about Alcaster, he's gonna lose so much profit. xD
[quote=Chubsin]You just offended every NL who misses Avenger and hates the new animation by saying "If you can't see that then you can't be a true NL." Mr. Dawn Warrior[/quote]
then I'll say it.
if you can't handle the changes, you should quit.
Wuuut no drain or alchemist... Our survivability rates are gonna be soo low now...
RIP ambush. I use it to ks LHC mobz.
Revamp sucks.
I like that you're looking at the positive side of this revamp. I'm not happy that they're changing my play style as I absolutely love Hermits and Nightlords. I'm a little disappointed about Avenger/Alchemist/Drain, but I'd like to see how things look after Tespia. I'm keeping an open mind and sticking with my thief till the end, I just hope I can still enjoy it the way I always have.
sucks if we don't need summoning rocks anymore....
i did a long quest just to be able to buy it
@ashpro123: oh in that case i agree with him
[quote=Chubsin]You just offended every NL who misses Avenger and hates the new animation by saying "If you can't see that then you can't be a true NL." Mr. Dawn Warrior[/quote]
I think he was talking about TT and QT, and he hasn't offended anyone. Hes meaning if you really like the NL's you should stick to it no matter what happens.
The animation doesn't suck for QT (Could have done better) but
Anyway, this is still in the Tespia stage, the animations/skills might change once it's released fully.
You just offended every NL who misses Avenger and hates the new animation by saying "If you can't see that then you can't be a true NL." Mr. Dawn Warrior
[quote=roca]and where are you getting your 411 about drain?[/quote]
Look at the SP thread of extractions. Here's the [url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=51043]link[/url].
[quote=KryFury]I'm more annoyed that they changed the play style for NightLords. The Nightlord class had a specific playstyle. This will forever be changed with the revamp. This revamp isn't like the others. The other classes lost like 2-3 skills, got 2-3 new ones and had an overall damage buff.[/quote]
I can't argue with your opinion of game play. If you liked the whole stand and shoot rather than diverse play (which seems like) then more power to you!
[quote=KryFury] Nightlords lose about 12 skills (3 of which are amazingly useful), and gain about 5-6 skills of which most are useless. [/quote]
Again, can you tell me where you are getting the info about losing drain/alch the rest of teh 12 skills youre talking about? because the only skills i know that are removed/added are in that link i posted above. As far as I'm concerned being a 19x NL; skills that are removed are either replaced or was useless. And that's not opinion, its fact from experience.
[quote=KryFury]Alchemist is a big one lost. This was a fairly unique NL skill that is removed. Drain is no longer on the skill list if you watch the Hermit Video. Avenger is gone but replaced with bowman skill rehashes. [/quote]
I do like alchemist. It's not as unique since citizens have somewhat the same ability. Again, I strongly believe the change is for the better.
[quote=KryFury] Quad Throw is a whole new level of LAZY. Nexon basically decided to say "Hey let's give them 1 more star to throw." If that isn't lazy, I don't know what is. [/quote]
If you really think about it, actually don't even think hard; look... 2 - 3 - 4; it's inevitable. It makes sense but if you were wanting something more 'creative' what would it be? because for someone who 'likes' the game play of throwing stars, i dont see what could possibly change to make it better other than ofcourse, adding another!
[quote=KryFury] If you even LOOK at the Thief and Pirate Forums, there is a LOT of negative response.[/quote]
umm, why did you cap locks 'look'? assuming I did not read people's opinion before making mine? First of all, I don't need an opinion to have one. Secondly, I could care less about what other classes think of NL. Thirdly, if they are NLs making negative response, this is the right thread for them to read!
this is just me trying to pump up the NL community about my excitement about this revamp! Only experienced NLs can truely understand what this revamp means for us.
The general playstyle seems to be the same, but damn. I'll miss drain and alchemist.
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAlnkPn7slc&feature=player_embedded]Quad Throw.[/url] It's actually more than the bland name and description says. It's highly spammable on the move, but the animation when it's used is so much better. It's like lightnin' in Star form. xD
I'm for it. xD
btw so far tt moved to 3rd
i was a die hard sin/hermit/nl fan sadly i cant continue it
[quote=KryFury]I am not amused. We lose any and all healing skills (Drain is gone apparently). We lose the fluidity of the class. The NLs have always been about 2-3 main attacking skills and a bunch of buffs. We lose that aspect.
And then there is Quad Throw. I can not begin to express how much HATE this skill.[/quote]
ummm.. what? Let me get this right, you are butthurt because you have more skills to use? what is "fluidity of the class"? express why you hate Quad.
and where are you getting your 411 about drain?