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[quote=FiaW1zard]@pavchka: XD[/quote]
[quote=shadow4son]I have never seen more then 2 mods in a single thread this is amazing o.0[/quote]

Rule 2#.
Those look like irrelevant or off topic posts to me.
Clear spam isn't deleted, yet vague rules are suspended.

I guess we should get warnings

[quote=pavchka]You didn't even remotely give your opinion on the [i]main[/i] topic; use (or disuse) of language of MapleStory users in general. You just pointed the irony of the situation and that's that. Your comment was of no use to the discussion itself. It's about as useful as me entering a thread of a Night Lord asking if he should potential his Lampion and me posting "Dude, go buy a Kraden."

@fiaw1zard: Medals are added and removed at a certain time of day, so if Warnings still take medals away you should probably notice by in any case tomorrow.[/quote]

Actually it sounds more like me saying "Night Lords that don't have Lampions fail" and then someone points out that I don't have a Lampion. We weren't talking about my Lampion of course. But under your jurisdiction, basil would be a ghost town.

@BrickTheHun: The "Please get a life" was on the religious thread which I already stated I can see how it could be considered as flame-bait, please do not confuse threads.

@pavchka: XD

@pavchka: I've never had a suspension free medal anyways.
I'm an active poster!

Wrong, I just got a warning, like 10 minutes ago.

[quote=pavchka]About the grammar thread: Grammar was indeed the subject, but not the Thread Starter's grammar. You didn't comment on the main topic at all, you just pointed out the irony of his apparently bad grammar and you even included something one could describe as a little mean. In other words: your comment was of no relevance to the discussion in the thread and was mildly insulting. Kevvl already said it. :S [/quote]
The Thread was about how different people in Maple Story couldn't communicate themselves with proper grammar in English. Therefore me pointing out the TS' use of bad grammar while trying to debate against people with bad grammar was on-topic to the TS' hypocritical attitude. I still can't see how is it off-topic.
Then there is the time when I got suspended for "advertising" my Guide which took away my 48 months suspension-free medal, which I still don't see how was my action suspension-worthy since I offered a Post BB Guide in a Thread that specifically asked for help about Bandits Post BB.
The religion one, I guess I can see how what I said could have been considered flame-bait even though it wasn't intended to be flame-bait.

[quote=ravkin]Not that kind of warning.
I got a warning for rule #1, although I didn't see it being justified but I didn't bother with it since I didn't lose my medals.
- I made a honest piece of advice that was deemed as rule #1 by someone who goes by his own rules which doesn't follow the actual rules of the site. The mod did what was appropriate since that particular user felt attacked despite no attack actually being made.

If I remember correctly, all the mods believe that warnings should not take away your medals.
It doesn't make sense for the medals to be lost if there was no actual suspension.[/quote]

ah i see what you mean now. that further pushes me to believe that all warnings should sent via a email and not take away medals.

I got suspended for deleting a listing that I didnt need... huh?

[quote=ravkin]Not that kind of warning.
I got a warning for rule #1, although I didn't see it being justified but I didn't bother with it since I didn't lose my medals.
- I made a honest piece of advice that was deemed as rule #1 by someone who goes by his own rules which doesn't follow the actual rules of the site. The mod did what was appropriate since that particular user felt attacked despite no attack actually being made.[/quote]
That was me, right? ^_^

I have never seen more then 2 mods in a single thread this is amazing o.0

[quote=ravkin]1. Now, the exact context of the post and thread posted in needs to be detailed since there is two conflicting statements.

2. You just proved Kevvl's point.
You just admitted to doing what he said you got suspended for.

"Please get a life" breaks rule #2 for trolling or rule #1 for flamebaiting, depending on variables.
Breaking the rules is breaking the rules, regardless of the happenings.

3. Kevvl didn't ignore your third suspension.
He can't see any such suspension that you mentioned.
Either the suspension was lifted or it was over three months ago or it was on another account and you might be breaking rule #10.

Ot:

Kevvl has stated in another thread that the warnings were not suppose to take away the medals and it is/was a glitch.
The glitch was supposed to have been fixed but might not have.
Hopefully, warnings will not take away your suspension free medals.
If you do lose your medals over a warning, report it to MrBasil and he should help you fix the issue.

I have gotten a warning Pm recently, and did not lose my medals, so I am really confused as to what is suppose to happen....[/quote]

Same, when i got a automated bot warning for misplaced thread, i didnt lose any medals.

Directed at guy above you*pavchka i think?* I also believe thats how all warnings should be dealt with so no matter what time u log on basil once u go to your in box u'll always have that email there to be seen and check*if not done the moment u see it as a "new email". That and some rules should be changed as they can be seens as "beating around the bush" If the warnings do in fact still take medals away, that should go as you said.

Im glad to see that so many moderators are open about this and agree that the warning's should be handed out in a different way. I hope we as a community can do something to make this happen and make BM a better place with this next step

[quote=j0s3a4d]
"Does attacking on Christianity in a site that is mostly composed by non-religious people make you all feel better? Does having people agree with you while bashing a religion makes you feel better? Please get a life"
[/quote]

Well in that sense, the "please get a life" statement was directed at everyone in general or to the general public to that of which your "does attacking on christianity" statement was being directed towards.

At fahla, yes it should have been enough time and i wish my computer could take screen shots*for some odd reason the "fn+prtsc" keys dont take screen shots in a game or not. and i have no "scroll lck" key on this computer. so i am unable to take pictures to provide evidence for my claim.

[quote=Kevvl]^"Defending Christianity"? I read you telling someone to get a life. You can argue without attacking, you know. The other suspension for being a grammar nazi is pretty well explained in the mod comment. "They're off topic and offensive". If your post actually had relevance to the thread and you kindly pointed out the mistake, you mighta been better off. I'm not seeing anything about advertising in your suspension history.[/quote]

The thread was about how people in Maple Story didn't have good grammar and that they should learn how to communicate themselves in English.
My response was to the irony of how the TS was arguing for good grammar without using good grammar, therefore it was not off-topic. It would have been off-topic if the Thread had been about something not grammar-related, ie: Which Skill Build is best for w/e.
And I didn't tell a specific person to get a life, I said something about these lines:
"Does attacking on Christianity in a site that is mostly composed by non-religious people make you all feel better? Does having people agree with you while bashing a religion makes you feel better? Please get a life"
If anything the people deliberately attacking on religion should have been the ones getting banned, but apparently people can bash on religion all they want but as soon as I show point out how sad those kind of threads are I get suspended.
And way to ignore the other suspension.

[quote=pavchka]

To Kevvl and SerenadeBass: I believe Fahla mentions attacking a MapleStory class as being a violation of rule #1 in her rules guide, but it indeed isn't on the rule page itself.[/quote]

I sure did list it, and I think it would be a good addition to the actual rules page, particularly with "class wars" constantly erupting in the General MapleStory section. People think that just because it's a fictitious job in a game that it's ok to bash them.

To the OT: Yeah, it's a very good idea for people to get pm'ed for warnings, particularly since they still get your medals removed and thus, at least in the general public's view, is equally as bad as a suspension, which it shouldn't be. Although your particular case seems very iffy to me. 6 hours between threads is more than enough time to move the old one out of sight.

Please, oh please, remove the medals. *crosses fingers for Mr. B*

[quote=SerenadeBass]Perfect example of what the TS was trying to say, it sucks that 12 months suspension free disappeared because of something which wasn't clarified in the Rules. Had I known that Maple Story classes were included, I would not have said that. Even then, whats offensive is a gray area. I find that people who type shorthand to be offensive to people who have self respect and even a certain degree of decency.[/quote]

I whole-heartedly agree with you but with kevvl as well. Simply because i've seen classes brought on as races before awhile back in some threads. However this simply brings us back to my a-c choices again. I believe that warnings should be seen at all times*if your not online it pops up when u do log on like the "new email" does. Or the rules should be more descriptive, as some can be a bit vague and not all telling *i.e my as well yours past events*

i normally dont have problems with basil but when i saw that thread it got me thinking.

Edit: Directed at pavchka, Well im to sure if that can be done and i understand that when they don't see the warning and therefore dont realize they been warned and lose their medals they may get offended/Po'ed and then scared. How-ever there could be a simple solution. Upon thinking just now, when people make threads in the wrong section they get the "new email/pm" granted they must think its from a friend or seller/buyer from the auctions department. they'd normally rush to open that email above all else when they come to visit BM. Once they get to the email page they then realize that its a warning of their thread being in the wrong section and therefore wont place it there again*at the very least this is how it works for me*

Seeing how that works whether your online or not, you always get that warning email on your next visit. Is it possible to make the basil bot, or the moderator him/herself pm the warning worthy about the warning? i believe in having the one being worthy of a warning pmed by some types of means is the best possible solution and would always get the user's attention. Thoughts?

[quote=pavchka]Actually if you wish to be a rebel on this site you'd have to majorly suck up to us and be able to cite the rules from memory and all. XD[/quote]

Or just follow your own rules and use common sense... ^_^

OT: you are never loggen on to the chat...

Maybe MrB should remove the suspension medal as it is cause to much anger.

[quote=Kevvl]Class bashing? That's flame bait, which is very clearly listed in the rules. Rule 1 actually. Clearly says "attacks against users". Well a user has a class, and if you attack their class you're attacking them. Same as bashing on races, except with Maple terms (and seriously less severe). It also says "comments made to incite an argument are not allowed." which bashing a class will clearly do. So in conclusion: No, you saying that Assassin's "jigganormous" ego was deflated and they're all crying because it sucks to be an Assassin was not in line with the rules.[/quote]

Perfect example of what the TS was trying to say, it sucks that 12 months suspension free disappeared because of something which wasn't clarified in the Rules. Had I known that Maple Story classes were included, I would not have said that. Even then, whats offensive is a gray area. I find that people who type shorthand to be offensive to people who have self respect and even a certain degree of decency.

^"Defending Christianity"? I read you telling someone to get a life. You can argue without attacking, you know. The other suspension for being a grammar nazi is pretty well explained in the mod comment. "They're off topic and offensive". If your post actually had relevance to the thread and you kindly pointed out the mistake, you mighta been better off. I'm not seeing anything about advertising in your suspension history.
[quote=SerenadeBass]Another thing is, I got suspended for not breaking any rule in the ToS, but rather in the expanded indepth one which someone wrote. Why was I not notified of the other one beforehand?[/quote]
Class bashing? That's flame bait, which is very clearly listed in the rules. Rule 1 actually. Clearly says "attacks against users". Well a user has a class, and if you attack their class you're attacking them. Same as bashing on races, except with Maple terms (and seriously less severe). It also says "comments made to incite an argument are not allowed." which bashing a class will clearly do. So in conclusion: No, you saying that Assassin's "jigganormous" ego was deflated and they're all crying because it sucks to be an Assassin was not in line with the rules.

I get suspended every 1-2 weeks for no real reasons ever since I started being "active" on Basil again.
1. I got suspended for being a supposedly grammar-nazi even though the thread was about grammar so it was not off-topic.
2. I got suspended for "advertising" my Guide even though it says that advertising is suspension-worthy when you advertise other websites and my Guide is on BasilMarket. Also, the TS was asking for help that my Guide was providing.
3. I got suspended for defending Christianity in an thread where my faith kept getting attacked.
So yeah... Ionno what is up with mods lately.

Another thing is, I got suspended for not breaking any rule in the ToS, but rather in the expanded indepth one which someone wrote. Why was I not notified of the other one beforehand?

[quote=oOCielOo]Hmm.. yeah that wasn't suspension worthy. Normally we only hand out suspensions after it was repeated often (like you mentioned).. like 5 threads within an hour or something rather. If you were given a suspension, you should've sent in a ticket to Mr. Basil and appeal over the ban to have it removed.. just 2 threads with 6 hours apart certainly isn't suspension worthy in my view.

As for warnings? I give them out quite often when I do mod work. Normally I look at past offenses and check for repeated offenses and if the person has done it more than once then I give out suspensions, varying on what it is. Troublesome thing is, warnings actually look very much like suspensions but the only difference is that it vanishes after a minute or so and no PM is sent unless like the user is online or something and a lot of people confuse it to be suspensions. Plus I'm not sure if this part is fixed or not but warnings even kill medals.. but that's when the users who got warnings should file in a ticket to get them back.

Anyway I apologize that you got a suspension for that.. at times I admit sometimes we don't examine the situation very carefully.. like check what hour the post was made. Some posts actually have dates instead of times marked, varying on how long it's been.. so at times it's easy to assume that the threads were created very quickly.

Nonetheless feel free to file in a ticket to have that suspension removed from your ID. Explain what happened and most likely he should remove it. Again, I apologize that this misunderstanding occurred and hopefully in the future the majority of us will be more careful when delivering suspensions as I assure you, most of the mistakes made are usually not done on purpose.[/quote]

I thought about doing that, how ever appealing to mr basil now about something that had happened over a few weeks ago seems a tad bleh. I mean why report now? Sure there may be a chance for it to be removed from my record but do other mods look at past and repetitive suspensions like you do?
None the less ill report it. Do i go to my basil id and hit report? Under what section in the report drop down thing-a-majig do i set it to?

Directed at the one who asked if the suspension said it was for spam, Yes i read that suspension over 3 times and i can stake my life when i claim it said it was for spam.

Edit: Directed at pavchka: Even so, if warnings are meant to be a means for us to stop at a certain point to not break a rule, they should be made seen so when u do log back on u see it and then know that doing such and such gets you a warning and if continued it results in a suspension. Atleast if this is a glitch it should be brought up and if not it should be implemented. I also feel that the ones that dont show up even when u are online, u should see them too. it may reduce the amount of basilers who get suspended. Of course the ones who troll and break rules on purpose wont pay any mind.

[quote=gmharri]Agreed, I lost me ''24 months suspension free medal'' over some, what I'd say, terrible modding.

Had 3 suspensions;
First, was lifted, after pointing out that the suspension was totally inappropriate in context to what I 'had done';
Second, was a suspension for uploading a character pic, which went by rules, but was not as 'good quality' and had a 'too similar colour scheme'.
Third, was for a 'spam' post, which would be the very verge of spam in my opinion, not to mention it was filed under the wrong rule (if you have been suspended, you'll know what I mean).

Seems to me the mods are starting to either just over-react to anyone and anything (or they don't like me </3).
Even more discouraging to be rule-abiding, when you have people spamming in topics for several hours before being suspended/banned, perhaps Mr.Basil should consider locality when looking for mods as well, because its all well and good having a several good mods, but if there all on at the same time, and off at he same time, then people will just spam, etc, when they aren't on.

But I agree on rules needing to be updated, if there going by what Mr.Basil has told them to, then we need to know what we can and can't do, and also if there are ''warnings'' rather than suspensions, I especially don't agree with a suspension for uploading a character picture, if anything it should just be block from uploading any for a week or something.[/quote]

First suspension here says you said out loud that you were reporting someone.. which is often a bad idea because people would see your post and think you were a tattle-tale kind of thing. So people would naturally feel slightly offended considering someone was out to get them suspended. That's the view I find the average person would have.

Second suspension... confuses me. It's on topic so I don't see how it's spam.. and it says flame-baiting as well, as to why it's under rule 1. I dunno maybe it's because you were saying that "Unicorns -> God" like.. provoking other Christians by saying that God isn't real perhaps (since Unicorns are mythical creatures and obviously not real)? Warning-worth maybe.. not suspension.

As for the avatar bit, that's not a real suspension just to let you know. Those also look like ones but it doesn't count in the suspension count. Only delays you from uploading avatars for a bit.. so don't worry about that one.

Agreed, I lost me ''24 months suspension free medal'' over some, what I'd say, terrible modding.

Had 3 suspensions;
First, was lifted, after pointing out that the suspension was totally inappropriate in context to what I 'had done';
Second, was a suspension for uploading a character pic, which went by rules, but was not as 'good quality' and had a 'too similar colour scheme'.
Third, was for a 'spam' post, which would be the very verge of spam in my opinion, not to mention it was filed under the wrong rule (if you have been suspended, you'll know what I mean).

Seems to me the mods are starting to either just over-react to anyone and anything (or they don't like me </3).
Even more discouraging to be rule-abiding, when you have people spamming in topics for several hours before being suspended/banned, perhaps Mr.Basil should consider locality when looking for mods as well, because its all well and good having a several good mods, but if there all on at the same time, and off at he same time, then people will just spam, etc, when they aren't on.

But I agree on rules needing to be updated, if there going by what Mr.Basil has told them to, then we need to know what we can and can't do, and also if there are ''warnings'' rather than suspensions, I especially don't agree with a suspension for uploading a character picture, if anything it should just be block from uploading any for a week or something.

Hmm.. yeah that wasn't suspension worthy. Normally we only hand out suspensions after it was repeated often (like you mentioned).. like 5 threads within an hour or something rather. If you were given a suspension, you should've sent in a ticket to Mr. Basil and appeal over the ban to have it removed.. just 2 threads with 6 hours apart certainly isn't suspension worthy in my view.

As for warnings? I give them out quite often when I do mod work. Normally I look at past offenses and check for repeated offenses and if the person has done it more than once then I give out suspensions, varying on what it is. Troublesome thing is, warnings actually look very much like suspensions but the only difference is that it vanishes after a minute or so and no PM is sent unless like the user is online or something and a lot of people confuse it to be suspensions. Plus I'm not sure if this part is fixed or not but warnings even kill medals.. but that's when the users who got warnings should file in a ticket to get them back.

Anyway I apologize that you got a suspension for that.. at times I admit sometimes we don't examine the situation very carefully.. like check what hour the post was made. Some posts actually have dates instead of times marked, varying on how long it's been.. so at times it's easy to assume that the threads were created very quickly.

Nonetheless feel free to file in a ticket to have that suspension removed from your ID. Explain what happened and most likely he should remove it. Again, I apologize that this misunderstanding occurred and hopefully in the future the majority of us will be more careful when delivering suspensions as I assure you, most of the mistakes made are usually not done on purpose.