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Why do people over-react when a single person dies? No one cares when thousands of children in africa die.

In the end, we all must remember.

Skittles are a serious matter not protected by the Constitution to bear.

@lololZombiedogs: Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

@Snovvy: Oh well, it was America >___<

I remember a case (a few years back) in which a neighbour shot a supposed intruder with a shotgun. Honestly, I don't see why these laws are set if guns are legal. (Obviously you can't claim self-defence (with guns in play), as you would have been shot already.)
-> In the heat of the moment, anyone would have panicked. With your head being 'pounded' onto the ground.

Not very informed in this issue, but I think self-defence did come into play.
I know that if someone jumped me, I wouldn't hesitate to put act in self defence.

By the way, about the eye witness testimony, this might be worth a read:
Why Science Tells Us Not to Rely on Eyewitness Accounts
[b]source by Scientific American censored by basil[/b] << google
edit: [url=http://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue%20One/fisher&tversky.htm]The Problem with Eyewitness Testimony[/url]

Also, consider the fact that the eye-witness report is about a month after the actual incident took place, plenty of time for them to forget crucial details, or to get things mixed up.
The actual incident took place on February 26th, while the eye-witness reports date on the 4th week of March. Point is, accounts from witnesses should be taken with a grain of salt (or more), and not be regarded as absolute truths.

Despite the photos and the account of "severe beating" by some witnesses (read above), there is no account of Zimmerman ever going to the hospital to be treated. I wonder why...

@UglierBetty: Well I knew that. Thought it was an actual person...

[quote=shadow4son]@Demonlord: who's enderman?[/quote]

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/DIeQgwEJUms/hqdefault.jpg

@Demonlord: who's enderman?

i don't know what happened for sure, and i can't form a good opinion about this. i don't think he should have shot trayvon though.

@HDWang92 Show me your proof it was in self defense please.

It wasnt in self defense, or at least there is no proof. He was bleeding from the back of the head after the conflict, which is where the case goes wank. Maybe he attacked Trayvon and Trayvon defended himself, and zimmerman shot him. So from zimmerman's point of view, it was self defense, from the media's it was assault resulting in death. Please, think about the story before you post stuff like that.

OT: I think zimmerman got what he deserved, but I haven't dug any deeper as to who Trayvon actually was, if he would have attacked him, etc. I'm just running off a pile of lies known as the media.

[quote=tonywashere]The details of the case aren't even clear yet... for all we know, it was Trayvon who attacked first. They had evidence that Zimmerman was clearly bleeding from the back of his head and was injured. We still don't know who initiated the conflict and that's what they are trying to figure out. Before then, let's not just jump to conclusions.[/quote]

This.* Besides, what can we do. What can we honestly do that would change the out come of the trial.

The details of the case aren't even clear yet... for all we know, it was Trayvon who attacked first. They had evidence that Zimmerman was clearly bleeding from the back of his head and was injured. We still don't know who initiated the conflict and that's what they are trying to figure out. Before then, let's not just jump to conclusions.

Glad basil is full of idiots. Glad basil is full of black people thinking it was racist. Glad people say it was racist and he "murdered" a kid because he was black.
get the full details before you make yourself look bad. I'm not saying anything except that most of you guys are retarded because you're judging before ALL of the facts or 100% of the story was given.

EDIT: if you saw ANYTHING OTHER THEN THE NEWS, you would know trayvon WAS a thug.

Also, anybody ever think that trayvon grabbed zimmerman's gun and tried to shoot [i]him[/i]?

whos zimmerman

[quote=HDWang92]@AsILayDying: Age isn't relevant when he beat a man to a bloody pulp. The source I gave you has photographic evidence from his twitter account that indicates that he has a violent nature from his confrontation with a bus driver. It is not wikipedia, it is from a credited source. Also, how does Trayvon being a high school athelete, prevent him from taking drugs? (Though I think his personal drug use is irrelevant to this case) Here's a source from ABC News that has a photo of George's bloodied up skull. http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/04/20/151'460/abc-news-photo-shows-george-zimmerman-had-bloodied-head[/quote]

This is very good evidence. Thank you for providing it.

[quote=HDWang92]Wasn't Trayvon the one who attacked George? According to George, after their initial confrontation, Trayvon jumped on him and started beating on him. There are wounds on George's face and the back of his head to prove that he was beaten. There is some information from Trayvon's twitter account, school record, and more recent photos of himself, to suggest that he may have been the type of person to start an assault. http://www.wagist.com/2012/dan-linehan/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealer

I don't know about you, but if I was getting beaten on by a 6ft 3in man and I had a gun in my hands, I would most definitely use it to defend myself. Police reports say that George was the one who was found with cuts and bruises, while Trayvon was found with a gun-shot wound. According to recordings, one of the two called for "help" during the assault. A witness was interviewed and said that the attacker was the one who was eventually shot and killed. A lot of this information suggests that Trayvon was the one who assaulted George. Though it is a tragedy that a life was lost, I don't feel like a man should serve time in prison for defending his own life.[/quote]

17=/= Man. Okay.jpg Would a football atheliet take drugs? Drug users are able to play sports at school? Okay.jpg
I'm going to need to see some proof. Not just a random news article on the lolinternet. That's like getting eerything from wikipedia...

I find it strange that these photos would be released much, much later after the incident. Assuming the photos are true (how likely is that?), one would have to ask why Zimmermand was wounded in the first place. There is a chance Zimmermad offended or otherwise threatened Trayvon, in which case the wounds would be an act of self-defence by Trayvon. In addition, Zimmermad chose to follow Trayvon ignoring the officials who told him to stay put. Of course, we'll only know Zimmerman's side of the story, since Trayvon was murdered.

Well, don't bring skittles to a gun fight.

[quote=Macjoe95]Trayvon- was a thug and a drug dealer (Check his facebook) long time thug. Trayvon was also a foot or two taller then Zimmerman. Trayvon protraited in the media is media bias where they show pictures of him as a little kid. MEDIA BIAS

Zimmerman- they show as a killer, but hes not. He might have been a wacists but you never know.

Now if Trayvon was white.. Zimmerman would have been arrested in a heart beat.
Just like Casey Anthony trial.. JUST BECAUSE SHE WAS A WHITE WOMAN She wouldn't be charged..
And the John Goodman ect ect..[/quote]

Show me the car facts. Talk is cheap, so give me a link.

@ItsGmt: H!tler did what he thought was right...

[quote=SuberKieran]How is shooting a kid after following him 2nd degree murder o.o[/quote]
It's better than charging him with 1st degree and having him walk.

It's funny how the other threads about the crime were more popular; a thread pops up about him serving jail time(also the seven on one beating) got less attention. I don't mind in the slightest, it just strikes me as unusual.

Zimmerman was quickly released. He's now hiding with a bullet-proof vest.
He didn't even spend a week in jail.
Yep, i don't get it, either.

[quote=HoneyPot]Wait, he was in a gang and smoked? o___e I read all the posts.
Can someone send me a link where they found this info -.-[/quote]

I won't belive it until I see proof. To me, it's just another claim on the internet. The guy I quoted hasn't brought any evidence.

[quote=QueenB]Your own reasons?

I would ask you to elaborate, but clearly there is no need. I guess the fact that it was a white guy killing a black guy is enough for you.[/quote]
I'm white... My own reason is that it's a kid being killed. Maybe others wouldn't agree with me. That's why it's my own reason.

[quote=powerpwrstr]I think it's just big misunderstanding from both sides.

When Martin noticed Zimmerman was following him, he probably though he was a mugger/murderer. When Zimmerman was stalking Martin, he probably though he was a burglar (there had been several frequent burglaries in the past few weeks in that neighborhood).

Then when Zimmerman was about to confront Martin, Martin striked first out of fear (note that Martin was 17 and 6ft tall, easily taking on Zimmerman); resulting Zimmerman to pull out his gun.[/quote]

I totally agree with this. Missunderstandings are always bad.

Whenever someone says Zimmerman, I think of M2K.

[quote=McLover]Can't be bothered!
Sum it up for me xD[/quote]
I'm sorry. I won't, and this is why. I'm obviously against what Zimmerman did for my own reasons. If I sum it up for you, it will come out biassed. I'd rather you read the info and come to your own conclusions.

[quote=McLover]So.. what exactly happened?
I don't think anyone except Zimmerman knows the exact truth.

I didn't read much into it though.
Look what the media did, they put headlines that it could have been racially motivated. I honestly don't think it was, he was a guard looking out for the community.
A 17 year old is hardly a child, many that age are involved in gangs and whatever.
Why does it seem that the teenager is completely innocent? Probably just the media making it as one sided as possible.
It's not the best idea to shoot someone, but I really don't think his intentions were to kill.

What would you do if some stupid teen came up to you and started bashing you to the ground and you had a gun?

If this was an accident, then no he doesn't deserve jail time.[/quote]

You should read into it more. He called his girlfriend to let her know he was being followed...

[quote=iSpitOnLuk]Caucasians mean people from the caucuses.

All Caucasians are white but not all whites are Caucasians.[/quote]

I know that, I wasn't addressing that.

I just get confused and often annoyed when I see people trying to separate whites from other caucasians as if we're adifferent race entirely. (and when I mean "whites" I mean in regards to European-lineage folks)

Raymond Pallimino(How ever you spell his last name) was tried as an adult. Yay!

[quote=iFailLolol]Says the one debating about whites.[/quote]
Because they got me off topic. Nitpicking. Now, do you have something to say related to the topic, or are you going to gawk at your screen looking for another flaw...

[quote=iFailLolol]TS needs to learn to use correct terms.[/quote]
I didn't think I'd encounter so many sticklers and nitpickers who get off topic.

@Above: Yes, yes I am. I'm sorry if I sounded rude. I'm getting annoyed of the people like the girl I just quoted.

[quote=AsILayDying]What the Allha did I just read? Were you even aware that Arab people are considered white as well. In most places White =/= Caucasion =/= Anglosaxon and Arab. I didn't find it necessary to post it before.[/quote]

I know that, but you're separating whites from the other caucasians for some reason.

Unless you're specifically speaking in terms related to where it originates from.

"Most people who claim to be "white" are eropian. You're white if you're Anglosaxon. " <- this is what confused me. Cause you're saying white is anglosaxon which is what the AMERICAN term is, most people consider whites to be Europeans(in a sense that they're European descended).

[quote=Fusionpressure]What the jesus did I just read....

You do realise that "white" skin is just a part of the spectrum that Europeans AKA US can inherit correct?[/quote]

What the Allha did I just read? Were you even aware that Arab people are considered white as well. In most places White =/= Caucasion =/= Anglosaxon and Arab. I didn't find it necessary to post it before.

[quote=AsILayDying]Lulwhat? I'm white too. Trust me, we're a minority. Most people who claim to be "white" are eropian. You're white if you're Anglosaxon. I question this community's ability to pick up a book some times.[/quote]

What the jesus did I just read....

You do realise that "white" skin is just a part of the spectrum that Europeans AKA US can inherit correct?

[quote=QueenB]I would say he deserved it... but I'm not a dumb minority.[/quote]
Lulwhat? I'm white too. Trust me, we're a minority. Most people who claim to be "white" are eropian. You're white if you're Anglosaxon. I question this community's ability to pick up a book some times.

[quote=AsILayDying] I'm sure his imates will give him the ride of his life.[/quote]

Literary

Finally for both situations.

[quote=carbonium]I'm so glad that the people going to have to pay $100k+ so another man can go to jail instead being killed like they should. STOP WASTING RESOURCES ON WASTED LIFE..[/quote]

All in favour of beheading his man here? Yay, Nay .. vote now.

Cause you know, executions couldn't possibly be used for anything other than killing murderers.

Execution just leads to idiots wanting to extent it to other crimes.

[quote=11wc11]what most of you and the media don't know is that the picture they used were pictures taken several years ago... Trayvon had gold teeths and was kicked out of his school for assaulting the bus driver + most of his friends on AIM were commenting his profil asking: where will I get my weed... medias took control over it and now shoots out half of the information making everyone think he was assaulted without reason... after zimmerman was found there was mud trace on his back wich mean he fell possibly because trayvon attaqued him (srry for bad english)[/quote]
Show me the carfacts or I'm not buying it.

[quote=imtwocats]When I heard his lawyers had lost contact with him, I thought he had already [b]fled to Mexico[/b] or somewhere else. It's about time he was arrested.

Also why are people complaining about the Stand Your Ground law so much? Zimmerman can't hide behind that law because he was the one who started the conflict, yet people want it abolished regardless.[/quote]

Thought the exact same lol. And who started the conflict is "unknown" because theres no real proof of anything. As far as I know at least.

[quote=NeverRIP]The killer would've still got charged immediately.[/quote]

Ofcourse, but you're forgetting normally people don't try and hide behind stand-your-ground If they're blantantly at fault for the murder.

He did, which is shocking it took this long to finally say "we're charging you".

Stupid laws is stupid.

[quote=MagiBombchu]About time.

Forget race, when you shoot a child you need to serve jail time.[/quote]

The 6'3" 17 year old linebacker, burglar, vandal, and pothead, isn't much of a child... especially when he's beating you up

[quote=KingKokoro]Errm, who is this guy, and what's the story?[/quote]

Hispanic guy shoots an african american in self defense and the media flips out because the hispanic guy is half white.

[quote=MagiBombchu]About time.

Forget race, when you shoot a child you need to serve jail time.[/quote]

This*

Everything was misunderstood. Pretty sad..

Errm, who is this guy, and what's the story?

Haha Serving Jail...He totally deserves it...Shooting innocent people...if only torture were allowed...i mean really takings someones life is them only being kept in prison? Wonder if you know how it feels to die...or close to dying >.>

When I heard his lawyers had lost contact with him, I thought he had already fled to Mexico or somewhere else. It's about time he was arrested.

Also why are people complaining about the Stand Your Ground law so much? Zimmerman can't hide behind that law because he was the one who started the conflict, yet people want it abolished regardless.