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@zoneflare2: I only see atheists who bash religion. When I do they bash Christianity more then other too.
(guessing I only see bashers because the decent ones don't say anything.)

I don't hate the religious people, I just don't like their religion

[quote=zoneflare2]Because of the actions of a few have affected the many[/quote]

probably the same way people see atheists being aholes to anybody who has a belief.

[quote=Faustt]Let's just agree that they're are idiots on both sides. Some people are just naturally aggressive/violent, not because they belong or dont belong to a particular group.
Religion is often just a way for people to try and justify their aggression, the religion itself isn't the problem.[/quote]

http://atheism.about.com/od/evolutionreligionreligious/a/EvolutionCourtCases.htm
Religion can be bad on many levels. Such as the prevention of evolution being taught at schools. Many things are explained through evolution in science, but if there is no understanding of evolution its harder to learn. I personally think of religion as a huge problem. Religious leaders becoming corrupt, blah blah blah and then people like these show up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church creating more problems. I support faith, but organized religion wont do any good.

[quote=jacob510]It doesn't go any deeper than that. Atheism is a lack of belief in a deity. That's it.[/quote]

Just didn't want to offend any atheists who may have taken my comment as underexplaining their stance.

[quote=SoggyToast]a lot of non-religious people paint the religious with the same brush but honestly people have their own experiences so unless it's hurting the people around them I don't really see a point superimposing my own experiences over theirs

maybe on a collective level I see a problem with religion but individually it's fine, I mean people are so complicated and each person has their own subjective experience and their own take on religion I mean there are different denominations within Christianity and there's different groups within Islam you can't possibly expect that one point from ~science/atheism~ is going to refute them all[/quote]

I actually agree. My real beef is with organized religion, if organized religion got abolished I would have very little problem with people having their individual beliefs.

But I'm completely against people who even remotely associate themselves with an organized religion.

@primalfurey Why are you talking about Darwinism and evolution? Atheism says nothing about that. Atheism is not believing in God, go look up the definition for yourself.

You're not getting it dude.

a lot of non-religious people paint the religious with the same brush but honestly people have their own experiences so unless it's hurting the people around them I don't really see a point superimposing my own experiences over theirs

maybe on a collective level I see a problem with religion but individually it's fine, I mean people are so complicated and each person has their own subjective experience and their own take on religion I mean there are different denominations within Christianity and there's different groups within Islam you can't possibly expect that one point from ~science/atheism~ is going to refute them all

[quote=primalfurey]did you know the worst atrocity in human history (the holocaust) was done purely because of atheistic beliefs?[/quote]

i lol'd so hard. do you even know what atheism is? it's taking the position that there are no gods. no heaven. no hell. no god. no satan. nothing. now all you atheists i know it goes much deeper than that, i'm just trying to explain to him why this sounds ridiculous. why would hitler start the holocaust based on...a belief in nothing? o.o o.o
now do you understand why that makes no sense at all? plus...hitler was not an atheist. he even made public statements against atheism..

[quote=primalfurey]an atheist who does not believe in a Darwinist origin and evolution of life has nothing else but biblical explanations, at which point one ceases to be an atheist.[/quote]

Boy, you're just trolling now, haha.

[quote=primalfurey]an atheist who does not believe in a Darwinist origin and evolution of life has nothing else but biblical explanations, at which point one ceases to be an atheist.[/quote]

Atheism - lack of belief in a deity, that's all.

Being an atheist doesn't mean that you have to believe in eugenics and ethnic/racial superiority like Hitler did.

You're completely wrong and arguing your point further is just going to further embarrass yourself.

[quote=primalfurey]tell me why i'm wrong.

go read mein kampf, iirc hitler justified his actions by citing Darwinist assertions and beliefs.[/quote]

Darwinism =/= atheism

[quote=primalfurey]have you not seen everyone on this site who does exactly this to try and put down religion?[/quote]

It doesn't matter how many people do it. You shouldn't fuel it IMO because it's a pretty disgusting debate to have. As if somehow whoever had the most vicious crime is the most destructive thing. It makes no sense at all.

[quote=primalfurey]have you not seen everyone on this site who does exactly this to try and put down religion?[/quote]

Mind explaining to me how a lack of belief is a belief and how a lack of belief caused someone to do something based on a lack of belief?

EDIT: Suppose to have quoted your holocaust comment.

[quote=primalfurey]did you know the worst atrocity in human history (the holocaust) was done purely because of atheistic beliefs?[/quote]

I hate arguments like this. It's just a prick-measuring contest to see which ideology committed the worst crime, as if it remotely mattered.

Most religious people are well reserved and kind. But I hate the ones that actually shove their religion into my mouth. Personally it's offensive when someone asks and tries to convert me into a different religion, since I was actually born this way. I know I shouldn't sound like this... But I really find it disrespectful, since I don't try to convert others to my beliefs.

And when I mean by the ones who shove religions into my mouth are the people that tell me bluntly that I would go to hell since you don't believe in Allah, or Jesus for any that matter.

put them in a old people house

Only Jehova witnesses. They knock on your door. You dont answer. they look through the windows and do all sorts of weird things to check if no one is really here.

For me, disagreeing with beliefs =/= hating people who hold those beliefs.

Yeah, a bunch of religious people are some of the nicest people on the planet that will help you out regardless of your beliefs. Most are pretty normal people that don't have excessively strong opinions, which is more than what can be said of the vocal online atheists.

[quote=askmiller]People have a false sense of superiority based on their belief. Thus on the internet, atheists want to feel better than everyone else by pretty much talking about the few bad apples in a religion and saying: "religions are evil, look what this guy did"[/quote]

Speaking of a false sense of superiority, I don't know anything more elitist than believing that because you believe in a certain God you're going to get eternal salvation in heaven while everyone else suffers for eternity in hell.

What were you saying about superiority?

[quote=Faustt]If your definition of a christian or a muslim means someone has to believe/follow every single idea in their religious doctrine then there isn't a single christian or muslim in the world.[/quote]

I don't see them rioting in the streets against the intolerance/ignorance within their religion, I don't see them having a problem with it at all actually.

Maybe they should actually take a stand instead of being compliant and accepting it.

[quote=fraddBS]not a few, barely any[/quote]

Barely any?

1 billion Catholics who condemn homosexuality because the Pope says so.

500 million Muslims who also condemn homosexuality and diminish the rights of women across the middle east because of Sharia Law.

You might want to rethink 'barely any' dude.

Because I believe you can be good without religion.

There isn't a single good deed or action a religious person can do that a non-religious person can't do.

However there are tons of negative ideologies and negative actions religious people perpetuate every day in the name of their religion and in the name of their God.

My friend actually did a poster supporting his gay friend, and the religious chased him out

Not all, just most.

inb4 arguement.