General

I got to the top3 with my sair without rs set, top 1 and top 2 being bishop and a pala

Pvp with sair is really challenging+fun since they are squishy.

@HellzHeal: See with counter and our summons we're hard to beat. and the long range AoE means we can snipe you from far way.

[quote=shairn]@Bomber321: What I was getting at is that the method I prescribed was a bit risky, money-wise.[/quote]
Was lucky enough to get my RS to 8 attack =|
If you are really that low budget just stick to MoN. But remind yourself that RS pendants have the potential to be better.

@Bomber321: What I was getting at is that the method I prescribed was a bit risky, money-wise.

[quote=shairn]@Bomber321: Yeah I know I'm talking about the RS earrings.[/quote]
I never recommended doing so.
Edit: If anything, get a bunch of perfect Rex earrings and chaos those.

@Bomber321: Yeah I know I'm talking about the RS earrings.

[quote=shairn]Hah, alright. Well I'm just saying, getting a chaos scroll to work favorably is a pretty big gamble for earrings that cost a few hundred mil though.[/quote]

Everything I got for my virtue earrings, save the cubes, were from events(so for free).
Edit: all I'm saying is, in terms of ARMOR. You can get stuff better than 130 armor(cape/overall/shoe, etc) so you might as well scroll it with defense.
There really isn't any accessory defense scrolls anyway. o.o

[quote=Bomber321]Yeah I blanked out for a second.[/quote]

Hah, alright. Well I'm just saying, getting a chaos scroll to work favorably is a pretty big gamble for earrings that cost a few hundred mil though.

[quote=shairn]As in, landing a 15% accessory watt on the earrings then chaosing them.[/quote]

Yeah I blanked out for a second.

As in, landing a 15% accessory watt on the earrings then chaosing them.

15% watt?
Oh right.
Don't knock on my earrings. good speed jump, better HP/mp. About same stats. 7 slots.
Cubed mine to 6% str

@Bomber321: I'm not sure actually. They mustn't have been very good if I dropped them.
I didn't have good luck with any of my 15% watt scrolls anyway, failed all 5.
Wouldn't the full RS set effect(+20 allstat) combined with the 15% watt + chaos be better though?

[quote=shairn]Yeah, I did get hacked. Thankfully after I bought my empress set and crafted my own DABR.
I thought the earrings already had watt? I never saw the recipe, so I just assumed they did.
Virtue earrings aren't really an option for everybody nowadays. I dropped mine a while ago actually...[/quote]
Why did you drop them?
Well my virtue landed a 15%. it's 4 attack now lol. Love it's stats.
And nope. Only 4/4/4/4 100 HP/mp and some other stuffs.

[quote=Bomber321]But you didnt you get hacked?
Also you would have to scroll the pendant. I miracled my pendant and got 8 attack, and even at 6 atk 3% str it is better than an MoN. It has the potential to be better.
And earrings require acc ATT 15% to gain attack. What about virtue earrings?[/quote]

Yeah, I did get hacked. Thankfully after I bought my empress set and crafted my own DABR.
I thought the earrings already had watt? I never saw the recipe, so I just assumed they did.
Virtue earrings aren't really an option for everybody nowadays. I dropped mine a while ago actually...

[quote=shairn]Hah, I did buy myself the empress 4-set after profiting from the duped DABR recipes. And while the pendant is good, I'm pretty sure a MoN is better and it's easily obtainable. The earrings can be potted so you can probably get an easy 6% str on them, the extra att and stats is a bonus.

@BagYourFace: BaMs are probably better, yes, but he doesn't have one.[/quote]
But you didnt you get hacked?
Also you would have to scroll the pendant. I miracled my pendant and got 8 attack, and even at 6 atk 3% str it is better than an MoN. It has the potential to be better.
And earrings require acc ATT 15% to gain attack. What about virtue earrings?
@HellzHeal: like duskreaper said: themes are fighting words. I've played you once and I already know since I did my transfer he's the best merc in Scania and far better than you.

Hah, I did buy myself the empress 4-set after profiting from the duped DABR recipes. And while the pendant is good, I'm pretty sure a MoN is better and it's easily obtainable. The earrings can be potted so you can probably get an easy 6% str on them, the extra att and stats is a bonus.

@BagYourFace: BaMs are probably better, yes, but he doesn't have one.

@shairn:
It increases our survivability too..o.o
And what? There aren't many better pendants that are easily made than RS pendants, many people use them as a main pendant.
You'd think you wouldnt like the earrings..
And also, you can easily buy empress equipment for cheaps. If you really can't buy it, then...Im buying you some. o.o

@Bomber321: Yes, but I think making them stronger for PVE is better than scrolling them all for wdef(using 10% scrolls which is going to need WS) just for a meager increase in BATT.
I use my rising sun equips all the time because they're just as good for PVE as in PVP. Except maybe the pendant, you can get a better one pretty easily but it's still good.

@BagYourFace: Please go back and read the first post.

[quote=shairn]@Bomber321: I'd rather scroll PVP equipment with watt or stats.
So I can use them outside of PVP.[/quote]

They're called PvP equipment...so you can use em in PvP o.o

@Bomber321: I'd rather scroll PVP equipment with watt or stats.
So I can use them outside of PVP.

[quote=shairn]@Bomber321: Well you didn't tell me how much wdef 10% scrolls give so I'm kind of at a loss here.
In any case, it's not a very viable option to scroll your equipment with wdef because it'll give you at most 2-3 batt.[/quote]

And PvP equipment is better off with..?

@Bomber321: Well you didn't tell me how much wdef 10% scrolls give so I'm kind of at a loss here.
In any case, it's not a very viable option to scroll your equipment with wdef because it'll give you at most 2-3 batt.

[quote=shairn]@Bomber321: I could've sworn HS updated their database to post-chaos, but I don't feel like looking around my codex. Especially since MS takes a while to start on my laptop. You do it.[/quote]

I've already done so, that's why I'm telling you shairn. F3.
@mynameisgregory: I've never seen you do that before I left.

@duskreaper: i will smack you, ish ring is the worst possible move to use in pvp by a mercedes, you'd be better off letting people feed off of you

Merc obviously. I score an average of around 2.4k and the occasional good game i get a 3.5k.

You're better off creating a cannoneer though if you want to be extremely OP lol.

@Bomber321: I could've sworn HS updated their database to post-chaos, but I don't feel like looking around my codex. Especially since MS takes a while to start on my laptop. You do it.

[quote=shairn]@Bomber321: Actually, checking HS, it tells me 10% scrolls give +5wdef and 60% give +2.
Lol.[/quote]

Psh.
Those are pre chaos scrolls. They added more defense/HP to scrolls, as well as other miscellaneous boosts(like +1 movement speed from overall dex 10%) just scrounge around your codex.

@Bomber321: Actually, checking HS, it tells me 10% scrolls give +5wdef and 60% give +2.
Lol.

[quote=shairn]There's no scroll that will realistically give you any significant amount of BATT. IIRC they give +30 wdef at most and you need 400 for just 1 watt.
Also, while DrK's can be pretty good in PVP, you don't even need very good control or BATT to do well on a mercedes.[/quote]

Those are 60% scrolls.
Now as for the 10%...

ATM Evans are OP!

[quote=dartz321]Merc or DrK. People automatically assume Mercedes, but a good Drk tank with full equipments can do pretty well too.

Plus, warrior classes have this in-PvP move where they gain more battle attack if you have higher defense.
Meaning, you can scroll your pvp gear with defense scrolls (which are cheap) for higher battle attack.[/quote]

There's no scroll that will realistically give you any significant amount of BATT. IIRC they give +30 wdef at most and you need 400 for just 1 watt.
Also, while DrK's can be pretty good in PVP, you don't even need very good control or BATT to do well on a mercedes.

my guide to own as a merc

-use all cool down skills ( unicorn, spikes and bolt)
- leaf tornado until cool down skills come bak
- repeat

after doin this act as if it requires alot of skill and call every1 noob <3 <3 <3

[quote=duskreaper]Come to scania and get Ish Ringed by me.[/quote]
Your ish ring sucks Brian.

[quote=deliciouspork]Legends are all OP
Merc- too much avoid, unicorn hits too hard, leaf tornado is annoying to hit, moonsault has a weird lag thats kinda like an ifram

DrK's are very good too, a lot of hp and roar does quite a bit of dmg. DI has a good range

The best pvper in khaini is a hero o.o

BM's and sairs suck[/quote]

I can't even use any of those combo attacks in PvP. </3
Any HP warrior will own.
Really.

@KingsGlory: i hate seeing people use it, because it just embarrasses me and the whole population of mercedes that PvP, and i'd have to disagree with you, only 1 cannoneer has ever beaten me and not even by much... and that was before i got any rising sun equip.

[quote=WeffTooFat]I don't think Ishtar's Ring experiences the same delay BS hurricane does o.o At least, I don't THINK it does based on seeing it used...[/quote]

Even without delays, you're stuck in a single spot. You're a sitting duck and it's weak anyway. Just go for leaf tornado all the way.

hero's monster magnet is kinda annoying ..

[quote=HellzHeal]merc for sure, but if you use Ish ring at any point of PvP, i will find you and smack you silly[/quote]

dude you hate that too?

OT: out of those go with merc. the best pvp class is cannoneer though. just sayin.

hmm i still dont see how mercedes can be that good

Dark Knight.

You should go sair or BM just for the hell of it. Too many mercs and DrKs running around these days
Eh, just go merc for opness

[quote=Sephie]http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/218024

Your (lvl200!) Mercedes is pretty much a given to be insane in PvP.

All your other classes are all awful or low leveled.

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Here's the general playstyle of Mercedes:

1) Unicorn Spike + Rain on the closest mob.
2) Leaf Tornado the survivors.
3) If there's someone left you can't kill, run away while Leaf Tornadoing.
4) Keep running until you find a glove or Unicorn + Rain is off cooldown.
5) Repeat.[/quote]

Hah! tornado the survivors ^^ thanks for the info Yeah being level 200 I need to find something else to do so I thought I'd give pvp a try.

http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/218024

Your (lvl200!) Mercedes is pretty much a given to be insane in PvP.

All your other classes are all awful or low leveled.

-

Here's the general playstyle of Mercedes:

1) Unicorn Spike + Rain on the closest mob.
2) Leaf Tornado the survivors.
3) If there's someone left you can't kill, run away while Leaf Tornadoing.
4) Keep running until you find a glove or Unicorn + Rain is off cooldown.
5) Repeat.

merc for sure, but if you use Ish ring at any point of PvP, i will find you and smack you silly

Legends are all OP
Merc- too much avoid, unicorn hits too hard, leaf tornado is annoying to hit, moonsault has a weird lag thats kinda like an ifram

DrK's are very good too, a lot of hp and roar does quite a bit of dmg. DI has a good range

The best pvper in khaini is a hero o.o

BM's and sairs suck

whats the best way to go about playing a mercedes in pvp?

Merc no competition.
you have knock up, flash jump, 1v1 move, and mobbing move. it kills

Mercedes<3 all i c is no-hit no-hit plus rising sun and the archer cygnus things make good defense too so MERC FTW

hmm ic any other opinions?

Mercedes.
Good defense + flash jumb + leaf tornado = deadly.
Unicorn spike is really good too.