General

for the wrongfully banned players in the past months

http://www.change.org/petitions/nexon-america-reveal-your-evidence-against-banned-users-in-a-fair-review-appeal-system#share

here is a petition created by southperry (it is a real petition btw)
if you have been banned and want prove of what you did wrong, sign the petition. if you have been banned unfairly, sign the petition. if you have friends who got this issue, sign the petition.
if you do hopefully we'll get to enough signatures so that nexon will either give proves or just compensate players because they did wrong.
pass it on to friends so we can get to the necessary 100 signatures (we have atm 48, need 52 more)

thanks

February 16, 2013

30 Comments • Newest first

Samygxz85

@UltixFighter: maybe at that time something happen and it didnt count towards that idk

Reply February 19, 2013
DavidLe

abusing glitch is something
just saying

Reply February 19, 2013
UltixFighter

@Samygxz85: I dont exactly remember i believe either beginning of 2012 or end of 2011

Reply February 19, 2013
UltixFighter

@Samygxz85: Bro I got all rewards and everything and i got a 1 month ban in the past so..

Reply February 19, 2013
Masterobert

We got 100, now what?

Reply February 19, 2013
Samygxz85

@UltixFighter: you can you just wont get the rewards, unless a 1 month ban doesnt appear in your history which i doubt

Reply February 19, 2013
Samygxz85

[quote=UltixFighter]Thats not true atleast for me I was banned for 1 month for nothing at all but I can still participate in events we get.[/quote]

he means events like kaiser check off which rewards premium surprise style boxes and things like that

Reply February 19, 2013
UltixFighter

[quote=Shinzo]Don't forget they get strikes on their accounts that don't let them participate in some events.[/quote]
Thats not true atleast for me I was banned for 1 month for nothing at all but I can still participate in events we get.

Reply February 17, 2013
Samygxz85

@030999: well in that case yes you're right. but the violation of a human right is against the law or should be at least, therefore i think they could get sued. whether or not they are bound to that system they can be guilty of going against people's right.
btw are you a lawyer or something like that? you seem to know about law and things like that (i know little or nothing about law btw, but i do know the human rights should be respected )

Reply February 17, 2013
030999

[quote=Samygxz85]@030999: "Customers have a right to know the specifics of what they're accused of and the evidence against them in order to make a competent appeal. For an American division of a company to fail to recognize Presumption of innocence as a fundamental human right is shameful."

the violation of a human right is against the law. thats all im gonna say.[/quote]

Uh, that's a statement proclaiming a that it's a human right from an ethical standpoint. Whether you agree is up to you, but the fact remains that THIS IS NOT LAW. Presumption of innocence and the right to know what you're accused of applies to the criminal justice system. Nexon is not bound by this at all. Maybe they should be, but the fact is that they aren't, and they are not breaking any laws.

Reply February 17, 2013
Samygxz85

@030999: "Customers have a right to know the specifics of what they're accused of and the evidence against them in order to make a competent appeal. For an American division of a company to fail to recognize Presumption of innocence as a fundamental human right is shameful."

the violation of a human right is against the law. thats all im gonna say.

Reply February 17, 2013
030999

[quote=Samygxz85]@030999: read all of my other posts i didnt say they were going to sue them, but it could happen. and if its not the organization someone will, because what nexon is doing is against the law. you would know that if you would have read the petition. therefore someone can sue them, idk if the organization or someone separate but they can because nexon is doing something which is against the law and is not mentioned in the ToS.[/quote]

No, it couldn't happen. First of all, they can't sue, because change.org has not been wronged by Nexon in any way. Second, even if they could, they wouldn't, because that's not how change.org operates.

And, what Nexon is doing is NOT against the law. All the petition says is that it's immoral and bad practice, which I agree with, but the simple fact is that Nexon is not in violation of any laws for banning people for any reason at all, or even without reason. That's made clear in the ToS. Your account, and everything on it is property of Nexon, and they have the right to terminate service for any reason at all.

Reply February 17, 2013 - edited
Samygxz85

@030999: read all of my other posts i didnt say they were going to sue them, but it could happen. and if its not the organization someone will, because what nexon is doing is against the law. you would know that if you would have read the petition. therefore someone can sue them, idk if the organization or someone separate but they can because nexon is doing something which is against the law and is not mentioned in the ToS.

@lordpentt: you dont need to repeat your negativism. i understand you think its impossible you dont need to repeat it. please if you're not going to contribute stop replying with comments like this.

Reply February 17, 2013 - edited
030999

[quote=Samygxz85]@lordpentt: we dont sue nexon, the organization does. simple as that.[/quote]

That... isn't how change.org works, or how any petition works.

A petition is merely a way for a group of people to band together and promote a cause. It doesn't matter if it's on a website dedicated to petitions or not. And there is no universe in which the demands of a petition are legally enforceable... Nexon hasn't agreed to do squat if you get 100 signatures, or any number of signatures for that matter, and there is absolutely no ground to sue.

Reply February 17, 2013 - edited
lordpentt

@Samygxz85: well, I'm saying it's impossible and it will never happen.

Reply February 17, 2013 - edited
Samygxz85

@lordpentt: im saying that it might be possible to sue nexon
im not saying it will happen, but it can happen

@Legenderybob: lol, you come to my thread to shut me up? why was that for again?

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
lordpentt

@Samygxz85: so you're saying that after receiving no money at all and just having 100 random people that might have been generated by a computer signing a petition is enough for said organization to bring a large company into a lawsuit?

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
Samygxz85

@lordpentt: we dont sue nexon, the organization does. simple as that. looks like you can't understand. you assume everyone who got banned did something against the ToS but that's not true. there have been many people (including myself) who were banned without doing anything. you know nothing about this issue therefore i suggest you stop embarrasing yourself for the lack of knowledge in the topic. if you want to argue about something inform yourself first, at least read the petition if you wanna argue. please stop saying things without an argument to support it.

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
Shinzo

[quote=Ekrerer]i second this because I Really find it annoying and dumb that Nexon Bans people for doing absolutely nothing and so if Its a 1 month ban or so, they End up losing some $ .
My friend got Banned And lost around 40 $ because he bought some cubes and then Nexon Banned Him :c for no Reason..[/quote]
Don't forget they get strikes on their accounts that don't let them participate in some events.

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
lordpentt

@Samygxz85: the thing you don't understand is we agreed to not sue nexon and that they could ban us in the ToS, nobody is going to sue nexon, everybody that got banned either got banned from leeching from a hacker or hacking, both which are against the ToS. There already is an appeal system, tickets. There's nothing saying nexon can't take 4 years to answer them.

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
Samygxz85

@lordpentt: the thing you dont understand is that this petition is from a real organization, if they fail to do what the petition asks, nexon might get sued instead of being negative you could sign, you don't lose anything
and if not please take your negativity somewhere else, thank you

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
lordpentt

[quote=Samygxz85]that is basil, this petition is from a real organiztion, that's why i said real petition. the petition is not just from the internet it is the real world. and the organization says that you need 100 signatures. but well if you would have click on the link you would know [/quote]

nexon doesn't agree to 100 signatures bull. If they got the president of the united states to sign, nexon still wouldn't go through all http://maplestory.nexon.net/news/maintenance/ban-list that to tell each and every account why it got banned. The ToS says nothing about that, they don't have to do it, they won't do it.

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
Samygxz85

[quote=lordpentt]http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2541210/1/Basil_Intervention_1.html

you think 100 will do anything?[/quote]

that is basil, this petition is from a real organiztion, that's why i said real petition. the petition is not just from the internet it is the real world. and the organization says that you need 100 signatures. but well if you would have click on the link you would know

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
lordpentt

[quote=Masterobert]@lordpentt: This one seems to be more "serious" as you actually sing your name and personal information. This might work...[/quote]

Please. Nexon answers 10 tickets a week, do you think they have time to go through each and every list of banned people to tell them why they got banned?

http://maplestory.nexon.net/news/maintenance/ban-list/00Ezb that's just a couple of days, GL doing it for everyone.

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
Masterobert

@lordpentt: This one seems to be more "serious" as you actually sing your name and personal information. This might work...

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited
lordpentt

http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2541210/1/Basil_Intervention_1.html

you think 100 will do anything?

Reply February 16, 2013 - edited