Guys stop complaining about the cap increase and boss revamp
It's just a game ok?
nexon is trying to make the unfunded and funded cap together balanced
about the 999k-50mil cap i will garuantee everyone would hit at least 1mil espcially unfunded people would hit around 999k
for the boss revamps ok look just because you guys think soloing them would be impossible
the soloers will hit 1mil+ to make it faster and reduce time limit like empress
get over it and enjoy it.
November 23, 2012
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[quote=HiBirdy]bosses arent even ment to be solo'd remember zak runs in 2005?[/quote]
I agree 100%
The only thing I don't really like about this boss revamp is the exp reduction on all the bosses despite the fact they are harder to take down. Oh well, I guess it doesn't affect my main character at least.
dear majority of basilers posting on this thread;
its not like half these people boss, you could prolly find most of these other posters raging and asking to get hs'ed by a phantom in their lhc party. and for the people saying we arent gonna get stronger, you must forgot that they gave us hypers skills. i can see where you forgot cause theres only 15 posts on basil about hyper skills
the people in this thread are absolutely ridiculous.
so first, you guys complain that the game is way too easy with everyone hitting level and damage cap easily. when they're trying to take a new approach, everyone begins to complain how its too hard. what you guys want then?
i don't think it really matter what basil thinks anyway seeing as a majority of MS's player base doesn't even come from basil anyway.
to go as far as say the game is dying is complete and utter bulls**t. they'll bounce back up by next year regardless. this is probably why they're trying to take a new approach.
[quote=gath]Considering that Nexon runs many more games than just Maplestory, declining revenue can't be used to measure how well Maplestory in particular is doing. The loss could be from other games. You can guess, but that's about it.[/quote]
I believe this. I bet Maplestory is the only game that's keeping Nexon afloat.
[quote=ChildsPlay]Like I said, that doesn't prove that the game hasn't been on a decline. Declining revenue doesn't tell you anything about the direction of the game? Activity dropping slowly over the years doesn't tell you where this game is going? I'm sorry, but if the only thing you can say to refute me is "there are lots of people playing", then you're not worth my time. Whether or not you believe that there are "lots of people playing", that doesn't change that the amount of players has been in decline, i.e. the game has been slowly dying. There isn't any common sense in what you're saying, at all.[/quote]
Considering that Nexon runs many more games than just Maplestory, declining revenue can't be used to measure how well Maplestory in particular is doing. The loss could be from other games. You can guess, but that's about it.
@screwriod:
Where did they said?
Can you provide a source?
This thread is a wonderful reminder about how lovely our community is.
OT: They are scaling the bosses with the damage so wouldn't it be somewhat the same?
[quote=batonrougegoon]How is your evidence, evidence? Mines isn't rocket sciencce or any bull crap stats or review like your link was. It's just freaking common sense. Basilmarket isn't req. sign up to log on to maple, so every player doesn't have one. I never seen one player from Basilmarket on maplestory YET, i see alot of players on basilmarket.
It's just simple common sense.[/quote]
Like I said, that doesn't prove that the game hasn't been on a decline. Declining revenue doesn't tell you anything about the direction of the game? Activity dropping slowly over the years doesn't tell you where this game is going? I'm sorry, but if the only thing you can say to refute me is "there are lots of people playing", then you're not worth my time. Whether or not you believe that there are "lots of people playing", that doesn't change that the amount of players has been in decline, i.e. the game has been slowly dying. There isn't any common sense in what you're saying, at all.
@ChildsPlay: How is your evidence, evidence? Mines isn't rocket sciencce or any bull crap stats or review like your link was. It's just freaking common sense. Basilmarket isn't req. sign up to log on to maple, so every player doesn't have one. I never seen one player from Basilmarket on maplestory YET, i see alot of players on basilmarket.
It's just simple common sense.
[quote=HiBirdy]bosses arent even ment to be solo'd remember zak runs in 2005?[/quote]
Actually Nexon is making it so that you don't need an EXP to enter Zak. You can enter alone. So yes some bosses are meant to be solo'd.
[quote=Ravens]@Sous: you do know that the HTP has a HORRIBLE drop rate thanks to it being instianced?[/quote]
`yes yes i know about the low drop rates man, but poor men don't have many choices. Also Mon can replace it, or like i said a debuty star if you got one. There's even the one from silent crusade if u cant get a party or someone strong for horntail/crimson woods. Monster carnival has it as a reward, doing Romeo and Juliet will let u obtain a pendant. Why are we talking about this stuff again? If it's about secondary stats those are getting delete, if it's for a little more attack just fuse them if it's possible to have 2 in one inventory. If we talk about the future increased drop rates, if horntail does get stronger it counters and becomes a pre big bang situation.
I'm all for boss revamp as I think they're boring the way they are at the moment.
Bigger numbers....eh I could just type 9999999999 in microsoft word with a big font and copy and paste it over and over to be satisfied.
You expect my Lv160 12k full buff ranged I/L Archmage to hit 1mil..? OHRLLYNOW
Wait, does it really make sense that we raise the damage cap while also raising the damage done in general? That's like the same thing as leaving it the way it is now...
[quote=Ravens]@Sous: actually HT did get a hp boost in that patch and also for the longest time event items where time limited[/quote]
I was sure it wasn't for regular HT, but if it is it is. That just means you'll have to obtain a necklace a little earlier than the update if it goes downhill.
I find it makes it even more unbalanced.
[quote=screwriod]@biantwmh @Exumaii @ChildsPlay look my point is the unfunded and funded people gap would get closer together even the semi-funded peoples
and don't think they're doing a terrible job its because majority of KMS players are godly thats why nexon decided to change and make the unfunded stronger like funded people[/quote]
Personally I don't get it at all
So the current people who hit 30k will still hit 30k because nothing in the formula has changed
And the current people who hit 999k will now hit 1999k because the cap was raised?
something like that?
How does that balance at all? I feel like I'm missing something.
[quote=dragon2923]@Pereeia: well, people want high damage, they get high damage, they complain..[/quote]
Wrong. I don't really see how hard this concept is.
It's "people want high damage, they get high damage, everyone else complains"
[quote=Only12]source did not state anything about more damage multipliers on skills[/quote]
[url=http://orangemushroom.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/kmst-ver-1-2-456-huge-system-reorganization-winter-update-teaser/]Last paragraph in the blog.[/url] I wouldn't cross my fingers on it because this has been done for years now (op class released, buff old classes, nerf the op classes, rince and repeat) but it's something to say the least. I don't really care to be honest. I just play to talk with people that I know either irl or people i met while playing with the people I know irl. I mean, even the "Grindy" feeling when training is gone now (sorta) because of how easy it is to get to 200. I mean, you can train by yourself but your friends level faster because they want to train in places like lhc or w/e. F7
[url=http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/30703186.jpg][b]Oh guys, u're all so funny.[/b][/url]
[quote=radkai]I predict this will be major point in time for Maplestory's downfall.[/quote]
Oho! You're implying it hasn't already careened over the proverbial cliff!
All that remains is for the game to hit rock bottom.
its confirmed that we are getting buffed why do u ppl rant so much about it....?
[quote=batonrougegoon]How is the game dying if people like you are still on a Maplestory HQ website who complains about the game dying? Remember not even half the maple population is on basilmarket. I say 1/4 of maple population knows about Basilmarket but, don't even have a account on it.[/quote]
How is any of this evidence against the fact that MapleStory (and basilmarket, actually) have been losing active users and money over time?
I predict this will be major point in time for Maplestory's downfall.
Cool? So now 3rd job people will only be hitting like 50k while a 4th job people hits like 400k once they advance?
This is amazing on how things evolves. We just evolved into something so much more stronger than our previous state.
BTW: IDK what people can hit after this revamp but i believe nexon is gonna have a hard time trying to even out the jobs.
[quote=Ravens]@Sous: did you know my mage with 4 base luck all 3 evo ring at maximum level cant equip empress? not even with the cannoneer link skill[/quote]
I meant they had an advantage. It will make getting the required secondary stat easier and most of my characters are not far off from the required secondary stat needed to equip empress. Me spending no money to obtain that. Also if we stay on topic to what this thread was about increased damage cap means easier horntail kills, regular horntail hp hasn't been increased and every time the cap was increased everyone's damage was increased. It's only been increased once as far as i know but it could've been increased before bb. Anyway htp or even just mon gives more stats and u can obtain that for free, even the deputy star Since those are now unobtainable. Nexon has had many events that's given free equipment that gives all stats. They might not be able to equip it but it'll be a lot cheaper unless they were lazy and henehoed all of maplestory. The only classes without a passive giving secondary stat are magicians so they have a disadvantage.
[quote=dragon2923]@Pereeia: well, people want high damage, they get high damage, they complain...[/quote]
People want to achieve high damage, they don't want the damage cap to be raised when they can't even hit the old cap.
[quote=Harri]Who cares[/quote]
Seriously.
Just got back after a six month break. Every problem is still here. The hair color glitch is still here, on the exact same hairstyles that I wrote Nexon about nearly 10 months ago. I still have to CC twice occasionally. I still disconnect from the login screen if I'm not using the gamelauncher. There's still town lag. There are still botters in channel 1. Leafre is still a hotbed of them. Same with Future Henesys. It's like nothing's changed. That you all put up with this for an additional six months just ... blows my mind. And then you're sitting here complaining about a raised damage cap, of all things. It's comical. Some areas of the game are actually unplayable.
@Pereeia: well, people want high damage, they get high damage, they complain...
Just gonna say... I really miss 2006
Well think about it, Now we'll be seeing more numbers on the screen
[quote=ChildsPlay]Take it you haven't been playing this game long and haven't seen Nexon's financial reports.
[url=http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20121107006936/en/Nexon-Reports-Quarter-2012-Financial-Results]22% loss for Nexon NA, 20% for Nexon Korea.[/url][/quote]
How is the game dying if people like you are still on a Maplestory HQ website who complains about the game dying? Remember not even half the maple population is on basilmarket. I say 1/4 of maple population knows about Basilmarket but, don't even have a account on it.
[quote=Ravens]@SkullMasher: KMS got no such ap resets they got sp resets, also not everyone will be able to get those reset due to life getting in the way
@Sous: none of those free ap resets have been perm and older players will probably have multiple carecters that need them. Also empress gear is incredibly cheap, cheaper than the other gear needed to equip them in fact.[/quote]
Im pretty sure the legends update gave ap resets through coins which you could obtain multiple resets for no real money. If they don't have it by now they missed it and will have to wait until nexon once again decides to give free resets or give them as a reward from event coins. I'm pretty sure they lost their secondary stat too if that's what your referring to. If not getting accessories to equip them link skills and character cards can be done for free. Especially since there was just a recent event that gave items that gave stats. Older players can also have all 3 evo rings for free if they didn't sell them like me making them have an advantage over new players.
I'm just mad about the exp reduction on bosses like zakum. He was a nice quick burst of exp on characters around level 140.
Welp kinda getting tired of this game anyways lol...
It's fairly obvious that they're going to revamp classes,formulas and possibly add new skills(5th job?) in the weeks to come. Inkwell's diary mentioned that "your character is going to get stronger." so they have some additional changes planned.
[quote=SkullMasher]We will definately get ap resets when tempest hits, Kms did, and so will GMS.
In fact, several events will allow us to get them.[/quote]
They only got AP resets from Hot Times and they're in the Tempest Shop. They didn't automatically get one. I hope GMS gives us one, though
Honestly who cares...for those with low dmg they probably don't even care. For those with very high dmg do obviously care. As for this update, it looks pretty much the opposite of what they did with the level up curves. So, I would love to see what will happen after this update.
[quote=Ravens]Actualy nothing happens the the gap for the rich and poor (if anything the older poor players are shafed due to the inablity to get ap resets)[/quote]
We will definately get ap resets when tempest hits, Kms did, and so will GMS.
In fact, several events will allow us to get them.
[quote=Ravens]Actualy nothing happens the the gap for the rich and poor (if anything the older poor players are shafed due to the inablity to get ap resets)[/quote]
Even though there was just an ap reset givin recently and several have been givin for a long time and i'm and old player and I've gotten several free ap resets.
[quote=dragon2923]>complains that the game is too easy,
>complains that the game is too hard[/quote]
They went overboard with trying to make this game more challenging.
I don't even think Nexon knows what 'balance' means. They either make a class far too strong or far too weak. And now this >_>
>complains that the game is too easy,
>complains that the game is too hard
[quote=SkullMasher]I've been here long enough to know when it is dying and when it is not.
There's no way in hell I would go back to the terrible grindfest pre-bb, and many people here (well, probably not the basil ''retired'' mentality), would agree.
And that's from someone who leveled a white knight, the slowest class to level back then.[/quote]
This! Everyone thats complaining about change(exspessially bb) is a complete dumb @ss. Pre-BB was such a grind that i could spend hours opon hours training and pqing to reach lvl 70! Since my goals was so strong my parents had to limit my playing time... The point is, 90% of us would not have been here and would have forgotten maple a long time ago if it wasnt for the changes(big one to the exp curv nerf). Please hold of complaining at least until the 29th when we get all info.
[quote=jacob510]Tempest has already been revealed in KMS. All it does is introduce a few classes, a boss that only funded people can kill, and hyper skills that widen the gap between the rich and the poor more.[/quote]
We're talking about the recent kms update here, not tempest. And in fact, the gap is lowered with the fact that the secondary stats are removed, and advancement at lower levels.
Yer late.
[quote=MagiBombchu]Maple has been dying for years. Stop sticking your head in the sand.[/quote]
I've been here long enough to know when it is dying and when it is not.
There's no way in hell I would go back to the terrible grindfest pre-bb, and many people here (well, probably not the basil ''retired'' mentality), would agree.
And that's from someone who leveled a white knight, the slowest class to level back then.
[quote=ChildsPlay]I'm not saying that this game is going to fail because of this patch and only this patch, but saying that MapleStory hasn't been in decline is ridiculous. It's been dying, slowly, and this patch isn't going to help it.
Also, going by [url=http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120809005448/en/Nexon-Reports-Quarter-2012-Financial-Results]Second Quarter Reports[/url], the growth of the summer doesn't really make up for the losses this quarter in those regions.
To your edit, people have already said power creep is a problem in its own right. If we're getting buffed to match the new bosses, then what's the point? Bigger numbers isn't anything new or exciting.[/quote]
There's a reason for everything. Characters are advancing at 100, and such they have extra sp to spend on. Extra skills? I think so, and since it takes extra time to kill the bosses instead of being instantly one shot, why the hell not.
Edit: In any case, the full update will be revealed on the 29th, until then we'd better hold our breath.
[quote=SkullMasher]Yes, I saw the same numbers for other games such as WoW, and they're still going very strong today. Coming Tempest, the numbers will rise again, then lower, then rise and so on so forth.
It's never constant declines, and Nexon is far from going down. It'd take at least a decade for MS to actually fall.
Calling doom is laughable.[/quote]
I'm not saying that this game is going to fail because of this patch and only this patch, but saying that MapleStory hasn't been in decline is ridiculous. It's been dying, slowly, and this patch isn't going to help it.
Also, going by [url=http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20120809005448/en/Nexon-Reports-Quarter-2012-Financial-Results]Second Quarter Reports[/url], the growth of the summer doesn't really make up for the losses this quarter in those regions.
To your edit, people have already said power creep is a problem in its own right. If we're getting buffed to match the new bosses, then what's the point? Bigger numbers isn't anything new or exciting.
[quote=ChildsPlay]Take it you haven't been playing this game long and haven't seen Nexon's financial reports.
[url=http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20121107006936/en/Nexon-Reports-Quarter-2012-Financial-Results]22% loss for Nexon NA, 20% for Nexon Korea.[/url][/quote]
Yes, I saw the same numbers for other games such as WoW, and they're still going very strong today. Coming Tempest, the numbers will rise again, then lower, then rise and so on so forth.
It's never constant declines, and Nexon is far from going down. It'd take at least a decade for MS to actually fall.
Calling doom is laughable.
[url=http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=57584]Oh, and should we talk about character buffs?[/url] OOps, looks like the complainers are in trouble now.
[quote=screwriod]the empress hp is 210b lmao..
and i do know the new cube that cubes your item from rare to epic
and This patch sounds like 'third big bang' as you think
and goodbye childsplay we'll discuss about this later...[/quote]
Counting the summons?
And please don't send me any more obnoxious PMs. Harassing people because they disagree with you isn't a very nice thing to do.
@ChildsPlay
the empress hp is 210b lmao..
and i do know the new cube that cubes your item from rare to epic
and This patch sounds like 'third big bang' as you think
and goodbye childsplay we'll discuss about this later...