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NameSpoof Level 203 Bera Blade Master
Is there anyone here who is really into there religion, something like an extremist or just a heavy believer. Just wondering as most people i know say they're religious but don't know much about it.
Posted: October 2013 Permalink

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TrueAtheist Level 63 Bera Crossbow Man Justaway Guild See what games, anime & art TrueAtheist is intoTrueAtheist
You should listen to what you just told Billionz. You are not the authority on how other people use words. Atheism is commonly used to describe a range of ideas from simple lack of belief in deities to conscious rejection of a particular deity. "lack of belief in a god(s)" is what you mean when you say atheism and nothing else. You both made the same mistake of assuming your meaning is the only correct one and that anyone who diverges from that meaning has made an error. It's clear to me that Billionz was saying the Buddhist atheists in China are not the same as new atheists.[/quote]

Atheism means lack of belief in god(s).

Anti-theists are people who actively reject notions of god.

These are the definitions of those words, learn them and use them properly. What the hell is a new atheist lmao.
Oct 28 2013
GarrettsHot Level 222 Khaini Aran 4 Contagious Guild
@opmeTK: open mind is an excuse used by alot of people to justify false beliefs lmao. and your not catholic if you are gonna deny being a gay a sin, sorry but its true dont call yourself one. keep justifying sin with "open mind" though
Oct 28 2013
GarrettsHot Level 222 Khaini Aran 4 Contagious Guild
@opmeTK: lol where did I even give any of my beliefs, i only said being gay is a sin and that its hypocritical to call yourself catholic and act like being gay is an ok thing.... and idk what you are, but theres no picking and choosing out of the bible... thats how other religions like mormonism and scientology and jehovah witnesses start.... taking bits and pieces from the bible and other crap and then making something else out of it. now there are different interpretations from the bible and you get liek baptist, evangalist, methodist, and etc. but there all "christian"... i dont actually care what you call your self lol.. i was trolling you a bit with that.
Oct 28 2013
GarrettsHot Level 222 Khaini Aran 4 Contagious Guild
@opmeTK: i wasnt trolling about gay being wrong lol.... i was trolling about telling you not to call yourlsef cathloic... i mean, if the bible is the word of god, and it says "if a man lies with another man, he has sinned and ..." that verse is obviously talking about being gay, and for someone who calls themselves, christian, or catholic or any "Religion" that uses the bible to preach , to say that being gay is an ok thing, then its just hypocritical, thats all.

and im not calling myself perfect or god or anything, in fact i think im a huge hypocrite in other areas, one being the fact that i dont really give a crap about anyone else, yet i consider myself "christian" so yea see my point.

Also, just so that im not using religion as my only reason for gay being wrong,

First of all, sex is for reproduction, and men do not have a V@glna, so being gay is wrong physically too. Its like a puzzle. Two identical pieces of a puzzle do not fit together, and if you left the puzzle like that, then it would wrong.
Oct 28 2013
GarrettsHot Level 222 Khaini Aran 4 Contagious Guild
Technically being human is to sin. So is being human not an okay thing, if you're a catholic or christian or etc?[/quote]

sure, if you wanna twist my logic around like that, then yea
Oct 28 2013
ultracheese Level 22 Scania
Atheism means lack of belief in god(s).

Anti-theists are people who actively reject notions of god.

These are the definitions of those words, learn them and use them properly. What the hell is a new atheist lmao.[/quote]

That's not how language works. People are frequently referring to other concepts when they say atheism. Clarifying what you mean by certain words is useful, but insisting your usage of a word is the one true correct usage doesn't help move the discussion forward.

Also, I've never heard antitheist used that way. I've only heard it used to refer to opposition to theism or organized religion. Usually people will use the adjectives explicit, weak, strong, soft, or hard to clarify what they mean by the word atheism.

New atheism refers to the scientific rejection of theism and opposition to organized religion made popular by Richard Dawkins.
Oct 28 2013
Billionz Level 57 Renegades Dawn Warrior 2
You should listen to what you just told Billionz. You are not the authority on how other people use words. Atheism is commonly used to describe a range of ideas from simple lack of belief in deities to conscious rejection of a particular deity. "lack of belief in a god(s)" is what you mean when you say atheism and nothing else. You both made the same mistake of assuming your meaning is the only correct one and that anyone who diverges from that meaning has made an error. It's clear to me that Billionz was saying the Buddhist atheists in China are not the same as new atheists.[/quote]

Yes, you're right. I automatically assumed atheism as irreligious. I've been assuming that since forever until now. Thank you for reminding me.

@TrueAtheist

Would you say "yes you're right" to an opinion when you are only agreeing to it? Well you have definitely done it before. But technically it's wrong.
In this very case, it's not about arguing what the true original definition is. If you're only replying to my thread to inform me about this, then I guess I didn't really have to write all this in reply to your post. Because I know what Atheism is because I actually agreed with what you've said about Atheism. PERHAPS the sentence you've quoted was pretty bad wording. So my bad. But that's not the point I'm trying to make. So consider the following.

It's about how the majority sees it. It seems that the majority are being framed of being Atheists when they don't even know what an Atheist is. The majority don't even have a view on Atheism.

Most Chinese people may say they're Buddhists, while they also follow various Daoist ideals, Chinese folk, Confucianism ideals, and also new religious movements. Atheists are Atheists because they know they don't believe in God or gods. They've actually took the time to think about it and made up the decision that they don't believe in God or gods. It would be odd if they insisted on the fact that they don't believe in God/gods without any explanation for it. Some don't even realize that they are Atheists. They were merely being told that they are Atheists without going through any thoughts on it.

Atheism is not the correct word to refer to irreligious, uncertain, "could care less", and/or undecided people. You may seem to be informed on Atheism, but certainly not of the majority of the Chinese views on religion. Actual Muslims and Christians are absolutely certain that they believe in one God and will follow whatever the book says. For most Chinese people, it's the opposite.
Oct 28 2013
TrueAtheist Level 63 Bera Crossbow Man Justaway Guild See what games, anime & art TrueAtheist is intoTrueAtheist
That's not how language works. People are frequently referring to other concepts when they say atheism. Clarifying what you mean by certain words is useful, but insisting your usage of a word is the one true correct usage doesn't help move the discussion forward.

Also, I've never heard antitheist used that way. I've only heard it used to refer to opposition to theism or organized religion. Usually people will use the adjectives explicit, weak, strong, soft, or hard to clarify what they mean by the word atheism.

New atheism refers to the scientific rejection of theism and opposition to organized religion made popular by Richard Dawkins.[/quote]

"usage of a word is the one true correct usage doesn't help move the discussion forward."

^I disagree with that. If people are going to constantly add their own subjective connotations to words that have basic, literal, root meanings, then **that's** going to stop the discussion from going forward. You can't have a discussion when at first people don't even agree on what words mean..

Atheism doesn't have a single thing to do with science, it's a word use to describe someone who doesn't believe in God and that's it. You can despise science and be an atheist, you can deny evolution and be an atheist, and that's what most people don't understand, they fail to understand atheism's root meaning. Obviously people associate atheism with certain things but they are wrong to do so, they're letting their personal biases and personal judgement cloud what should be a basic concept.

If you're going to allow for people to just change meanings of words whenever they want and let it mean whatever they want it to mean then there's no point in discussing anything at all.
Oct 28 2013
ultracheese Level 22 Scania
"usage of a word is the one true correct usage doesn't help move the discussion forward."

^I disagree with that. If people are going to constantly add their own subjective connotations to words that have basic, literal, root meanings, then **that's** going to stop the discussion from going forward. You can't have a discussion when at first people don't even agree on what words mean.. [/quote]

Words frequently have more than one meaning in common usage. Look up atheism on Wiktionary. For this reason it is useful to clarify what you mean. What makes "lack of belief in god(s)" the "basic, literal, root meaning"?

Atheism doesn't have a single thing to do with science, it's a word use to describe someone who doesn't believe in God and that's it. You can despise science and be an atheist, you can deny evolution and be an atheist, and that's what most people don't understand, they fail to understand atheism's root meaning. Obviously people associate atheism with certain things but they are wrong to do so, they're letting their personal biases and personal judgement cloud what should be a basic concept.[/quote]

New Atheism does have something to do with science. It is rejection of theism from a scientific materialist perspective and belief that organized religion should be opposed. I'm not calling you one.

If you're going to allow for people to just change meanings of words whenever they want and let it mean whatever they want it to mean then there's no point in discussing anything at all.[/quote]

The meaning of words tends to change over time. People aren't doing this to confuse you. It's just how language works.
Oct 28 2013
SoggyToast Level 63 Bera Priest
tbh i am pretty religious even though i almost never mention it mostly because i am self conscious about it, but i was raised in a really educated household (eg my dad has a phd in mol. bio and an mba and my mom has a degree in english and like german or something) and they are ex-atheists so literally every point i've heard from friends or online or in school to counter christianity was succinctly explained by my family and plus they read into the whole history and culture of the time, we even had books on literal translations + greek etc. which they studied a lot so i was raised really religiously but probably in the most academic, obscure way ever and i really do think religion adds a whole new lens to life without fogging up logic or whatever like maybe theres some cognitive dissonance somewhere but it doesn't rlly hinder my life or thinking process and i'm always open to listen to new concepts it's just that i've already heard a lot of them and am tired of debating people i'd rather just read a relatively unbiased paper about it or something

considering nearly all of my best friends are staunch atheists, i really do think that types of people tend to gravitate towards religion, but not everyone within religion is a specific type of person
Oct 28 2013
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