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@Akatsuki0826: Its quite obvious you think you're better than me. And if we were on the same server i'd destroy you in a heart beat.

[quote=KingsGlory]@Akatsuki0826: I'm gonna start off by saying i used to think like this. That farmers were "bad" ppl and that they dont deserve emblems but then i realized something. I have no right to say that. Who am i to say who deserves something or not? Who am I to think i'm better than them?

I call you a white supremacist because the way your phrase your arguments about how "farmers are trash" and "the weak will fall and dont deserve _______" makes you sound like a white supremacist who spout the same kind of intolerant bs

So we dont have a work ethic for finding the quickest and simplest way to consistently obtain gallants?

So if i just happen to get a job from a guy on the street never met him or anything and he promoted me to CFO i wouldn't deserve that job? I didnt work for it, it just happened.

Morals aren't black and white for one thing. For example, let's say i have a cure for all diseases. I can have it mass produced and sent everywhere on the globe but in order to do that you have to kill every person in the most populated city on the planet. Would you do it?

You should get off your pedastal and yea i am as good as i say i am ask anyone who consistently pvp's in nido.

@above: if its just a small group of me and my friends and ppl come in to pvp we tell them to just go>>>>>>>>>> or <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< and that we'll join them when we're done. if they mess up our farming we abandon it and murder them. Then next round is FFA and we keep FFA till someone asks to farm.[/quote]

There is no point to try and convince someone who clearly lacks morals. Go ahead, keep calling me a supremacist. Keep calling me arrogant, how I think I'm better than you. I have but one final thing to say to you kid. You're lucky we're not in the same server.

@Akatsuki0826: I'm gonna start off by saying i used to think like this. That farmers were "bad" ppl and that they dont deserve emblems but then i realized something. I have no right to say that. Who am i to say who deserves something or not? Who am I to think i'm better than them?

I call you a white supremacist because the way your phrase your arguments about how "farmers are trash" and "the weak will fall and dont deserve _______" makes you sound like a white supremacist who spout the same kind of intolerant bs

So we dont have a work ethic for finding the quickest and simplest way to consistently obtain gallants?

So if i just happen to get a job from a guy on the street never met him or anything and he promoted me to CFO i wouldn't deserve that job? I didnt work for it, it just happened.

Morals aren't black and white for one thing. For example, let's say i have a cure for all diseases. I can have it mass produced and sent everywhere on the globe but in order to do that you have to kill every person in the most populated city on the planet. Would you do it?

You should get off your pedastal and yea i am as good as i say i am ask anyone who consistently pvp's in nido.

@above: if its just a small group of me and my friends and ppl come in to pvp we tell them to just go>>>>>>>>>> or <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< and that we'll join them when we're done. if they mess up our farming we abandon it and murder them. Then next round is FFA and we keep FFA till someone asks to farm.

This topic has gone quite a ways off the main point...

I, for one, don't particularly care if you farm as long as steps are taken to ensure that it does not [i]directly[/i] affect PVPers. While arguably it affects all PVP players by influencing the prices of PVP equipments, that effect is mostly negligible. Far more PVP equips enter the market via active PVPers than from farmers (as they earn more emblems faster), and it would take a huge influx of emblems (i.e. from the Legends event a while back) for any significant change to occur.

The issue, then, is not really with price dropping. It's a matter of how it affects regular PVPers on a more personal level.

If I join a match and that match is filled with people in the middle of farming, I have two options (assuming I don't want to be an asshole and kill everyone): Wait till the game is over, or leave. Both of them are a waste of my time, since if I leave I must wait another 5 minutes before being able to enter another game, and if I stay, then that's obviously also a waste of my time.

This is the issue I have with farming; that it interrupts other people's PVP. If the farmers take steps to ensure that the game is filled and nobody except them can enter, then fine by me, it won't interrupt with my games, and they can farm as much as they want for all I care. If they don't fill their room or start farming in public games, that's where I draw the line and start bringing their game down, so to speak. Farming in itself is debatably unethical, but there is no excuse for ruining another player's PVP experience.

For the record though, I don't support farming, and I actually find it rather distasteful. But since Nexon has shown they couldn't give less of a crap about player tastes, there is really no point in me making a fuss about it, so I let it be.

@KingsGlory: I find it funny how you call me a white supremacist when I'm Asian. You spoke of an analogy, yet you never replied to mine about cheating on a test. What's the matter? You know I'm right but you just don't want to admit it? While farming doesn't go against anything Nexon specifically said, it goes against work ethic and morals. I don't care if you're actually good or not, you should work for your things. If you did not earn your emblems, you don't deserve them. You're just trying to take the easy way out and hiding behind the fact that "Oh, well they didn't disallow it, so that means it's fine". Stop kidding yourself. If you were really as good as you say you are, then you would have no need to farm.

[quote=Bomber321]The purpose of Player vs player is to fight other players to be better than others to get money with hard-earned work. That is how every game with PvP works. Maplestory is no different.
Is exploiting the game's faults against the rules? Yes.

That doesn't even have to do with the analogy. Whether it is against the rules or not, it is certainly not right to mess others up for you or others gains. You forget this is a mostly anarchial game. The analogy stands.

Then yell at him about it.

Unless you are talking about gaining extra willpower and diligence, it is working as intended. They obviously are catering to lazy players on that one.
If you are talking about willpower and diligence, how can i keep redoing it if i haven't taken it down(and considering that i had max smithing and mining pre-profession revamp)[/quote]

It was never meant to be a means to make money. It's an alternative to gain experience and traints. YOU made it into a way to make money. What faults are we exploiting? Name them.

You're pretty hypocritcal there. You're messing up our farming up for you're own gain. You hide behind the facade of a bringer of justice.

Not yelling and i would be he kinda backed out of the argument because i refuse to bend to his elitist ideals

Not talking about traits. I'm talking about when crafting first came out you had to mine for materials but now you can simply buy them from nack and make half earrings or something simple for mastery instead of finding harder recipes and making those

[quote=KingsGlory]My analogy is saying you're saying we have bad morals for using an easier method that breaks no rules. No where does it say you have to fight. Who says you cant agree with other players to take turns so that everyone gets points. Again how are farmers greedy? Again i only make RS stuff for myself because it gives me an edge in pvp. I only make it for other ppl if they make a direct request to me get me all the materials and recipe then sure i'll make it for you.[/quote]
The purpose of Player vs player is to fight other players to be better than others to get money with hard-earned work. That is how every game with PvP works. Maplestory is no different.
Is exploiting the game's faults against the rules? Yes.

[quote=KingsGlory]That analogy doesnt apply to this situation because getting someone else to take the SATs for you is against actual rules. There aren't any rules saying you cant make an agreement with other pvpers to take turns getting a set amount of points.[/quote]
That doesn't even have to do with the analogy. Whether it is against the rules or not, it is certainly not right to mess others up for you or others gains. You forget this is a mostly anarchial game. The analogy stands.

[quote=KingsGlory]Your White Supremacist zealot friend akatsuki said that.[/quote]
Then yell at him about it.

[quote=KingsGlory]I didn't say switching professions. Nack sells ores/herbs in her store so instead of going out and mining/harvesting you can simply buy from her and then process them.[/quote]
Unless you are talking about gaining extra willpower and diligence, it is working as intended. They obviously are catering to lazy players on that one.
If you are talking about willpower and diligence, how can i keep redoing it if i haven't taken it down(and considering that i had max smithing and mining pre-profession revamp)

@Bomber321: My analogy is saying you're saying we have bad morals for using an easier method that breaks no rules. No where does it say you have to fight. Who says you cant agree with other players to take turns so that everyone gets points. Again how are farmers greedy? Again i only make RS stuff for myself because it gives me an edge in pvp. I only make it for other ppl if they make a direct request to me get me all the materials and recipe then sure i'll make it for you.

That analogy doesnt apply to this situation because getting someone else to take the SATs for you is against actual rules. There aren't any rules saying you cant make an agreement with other pvpers to take turns getting a set amount of points.

Your White Supremacist zealot friend akatsuki said that.

I didn't say switching professions. Nack sells ores/herbs in her store so instead of going out and mining/harvesting you can simply buy from her and then process them. Nexon didn't mean for that to completely replace the orignal method for lvling up professions

On a different note: I gotta admit i respect the fact you feel so adamant about your views.

@ImDestiny: BMs and WH are relatively balanced I will agree. its more like the classes that have an Ultimate that covers half the map that Im talking about. So yes your are right not all ranged are unbalanced to the same degree. But when the same classes regardless of level keep getting the most points, you literally have to be blind not to see that there is something wrong with the set of skills they come into the game with. its pretty obvious. And I really do not care for those "pros" that you are talking about, since they are all the same classes anyway. Let me see one of them play half as well without teleport, a map covering ultimate and no ranged attacks (there are some good NLS I have seen and Bandits). To the farming issue. I dont really have any shame in what I do. From time to time i take my friends Aran and dump it on the map to boost my points or lure people and kill them. Doesnt make me a less skilled player, I can play without it just fine, its the points I care about. Ofcourse if my class guaranteed me 1500+ points a game I would not have nay need for that. I dont plan on changing your mind though, i mean to be honest if I had a clear advantage over people in a game and my whole persona hung on the idea that the game was balanced, I would defend it too. Your pro Castellation, dw about it. The rest of the world just envies you. lol

@Bomber321: Sorry I was just responding to the message directed at me. I replied to the topic of the thread in general earlier.

Of course basil would break on me when i press submit. I should use copy more...
[quote=KingsGlory]@Bomber321: How do we have bad morals? That's like saying i have bad morals for calling a friend instead of walking to their house to talk to them[/quote]
Can your analogy make any less sense?
[quote=KingsGlory]and I dont sell RS equips i make them for personal use because i dont like the idea of lining greedy self-righteous ppl's pockets.
What i'm seeing here is you're this big company getting mad at the small business because you feel as if they're cutting into your profit margins[/quote]
Not selling RS equipment is your problem (though i wholeheartedly think you are just talking crap). But how can you call us self righteous, greedy people? If anything [b]farmers[/b] are the greedy ones.
Lets look at it this way:
A student diligently studies for the SAT. This person spends so much time, hell bent on getting into this college he wants to go to. Their hard work got them a really good grade([i]the pvpers[/i]), [b]but[/b] another student decides to get another person to do it for them(who has done it for many other people)([i]farmers[/i]). The other student got an even better grade, and takes the college spot the other person wanted, with 0 effort. Do you think that the person who got into college deserves to go to justice? I do. You are that person who ruins hard workers, and you deserve justice.
[quote=KingsGlory]My point is valid because this entire time you've been saying that only the "weak" farm. Well really experienced players farm too.[/quote]
Since when did i say that [i]only[/i] the weak farm? Although that is a big factor, take windia for example. They have an entire team of pros who farm. They deserve justice as much as you do.
By the way, i have not switched my professions since professions came out. I have been a smith since the first day. I do not believe in changing professions.
The only time i will consider changing is if PvP comes back once justice takes it out, and empress weapons make selling 130 weapons useless.

@Bomber321: How do we have bad morals? That's like saying i have bad morals for calling a friend instead of walking to their house to talk to them and I dont sell RS equips i make them for personal use because i dont like the idea of lining greedy self-righteous ppl's pockets.
What i'm seeing here is you're this big company getting mad at the small business because you feel as if they're cutting into your profit margins

My point is valid because this entire time you've been saying that only the "weak" farm. Well really experienced players farm too.

Dont twist my words because that's not what i said. You said that we weren't playing the game it was meant to be played so tell me something how did you lvl up your professions? did you buy a bunch of the ores/herbs and craft one thing at a time slowly working your way up or did you actually mine and harvest them then search for recipes or hope you get lucky and one drops and then make that? Nexon didn't mean for ppl to completely substitute mining/harvesting with just buying the ores from nack and crafting.

[quote=Akatsuki0826]You are the one who chose to play on a lower populated server, knowing the advantages and disadvantages. You can't have everything. If you want less populated training maps, then you gotta trade it for less populated PvP and PQs. You chose to go with open training maps, you have no right to complain about lack of PvPers. Don't like it? Then transfer out or start a new character on a new server. Otherwise, deal with it. It's called player versus player, not player takes turn beating the crap out of each other. Farming is inexcusable and it's quite sad you people try to defend it.[/quote]

Who said i was complaining? What's sad is you think you have the right to treat ppl as if they're worth less than you because they cut into your profit margins. Its still player vs player now isn't it except the other player is a pacifist till i get 1k.

[quote=awesomeplayer2]i swear people care so much for being legit when only new players can be completly legit and even than they are not legit very quickly,and care so much of what that others do that can help them self but they think that it hurts them so they ruin it for the others[/quote]
Wanna rephrase that? Because this blob of text you just made makes no damn sense. At all.

i swear people care so much for being legit when only new players can be completly legit and even than they are not legit very quickly,and care so much of what that others do that can help them self but they think that it hurts them so they ruin it for the others

[quote=Verygoodign]@ImDestiny: calm down. I swear people get a litle taste of superiority and they go on a power trip. its a 2D game bro chill. And everyone knows ranged classes are OPed in PVP[/quote]

Funny how you haven't read at all. Either that or you are a stubborn farming supporter/farmer...as usual.

@ImDestiny: calm down. I swear people get a litle taste of superiority and they go on a power trip. its a 2D game bro chill. And everyone knows ranged classes are OPed in PVP

[quote=KingsGlory]@Bomber321: How is farming for emblems illegal? Vigilante justice is though. We do nothing wrong yet you because your opinion is different than ours you feel the need to persecute and antagonize us?

You said this "If players are not good, they don't DESERVE emblems." And you have no right to question my moral compass. Simply because ppl farm doesnt make them "trash" Mr. "Holier than thou"
They did earn it seeing as they killed the other players. Your arguments boil down to "hey he got what i got easier than me! That's not fair!"

And what about less populated servers? Here if you actually find ppl to pvp and you destroy them they leave and dont come back unless you farm. So are ppl in Arcania or Zenith trash because they make due with what they have? Are we lower than you Broan or Scanians up there on your pedastals?[/quote]

You are the one who chose to play on a lower populated server, knowing the advantages and disadvantages. You can't have everything. If you want less populated training maps, then you gotta trade it for less populated PvP and PQs. You chose to go with open training maps, you have no right to complain about lack of PvPers. Don't like it? Then transfer out or start a new character on a new server. Otherwise, deal with it. It's called player versus player, not player takes turn beating the crap out of each other. Farming is inexcusable and it's quite sad you people try to defend it.

[quote=KingsGlory] the ppl i farm with dont use mules. We get a bunch of members from the guild and we just farm. If we finish early we pvp and in between farming matches we PvP. Not to mention all of us are some of the best on our server for our respective class so dont say its cuz we suck.[/quote]
Then you are pros with bad morals. Good for you. I still would crash your farming. Except the dude i spoke to clearly said he sucks at PvP, so your point is invalid.
[quote=KingsGlory]Its still available to the game we arent hacking[/quote]
Nice one dude! You basically just said that its OK do spam a button and get 1 level per button press if it is not hacking, if you put it in a different way.
[quote=KingsGlory]and was your friend using mules? hmm?[/quote]
No.
@awesomeplayers: People think duping helps others too. What it [i]really[/i] does is ruin the economy, make it impossible to sell good items BESIDES duped equipment simply because everything else is inferior and everything else is cheap, making people's hard work always inferior. You know how many people were screwed over when duping happened?
This is the same thing on a different scale. You say it helps others. What it really does is make hard work go to waste. We all spent long hours getting our mesos, while you exploit the game for your own reasons and make others get kicked to the dust. We make our equipment as an investment to do better in pvp and overall get mesos faster. If every person thought it was OK to farm, and everyone did it besides you, there would be no business for selling 130 equipment. And it will be [b]all of your faults.[/b] I make most of my mesos, along with others..you are essentially running me out of business. Someone has to stop it or everyone would do it and you would ruin it for everyone else. It's sick, and your so called "helping" is actually greed. You screw us over every time you farm. I'm doing what you do to me, except i'm the one who is on the side of morality, justice, and pride, while you are, lets say, the ones who think they are helping people, but are really ruining them(like dictators, or the drug cartel). You will deal with us or play the game like it is meant to be played.

[quote=KingsGlory]@Bomber321: the ppl i farm with dont use mules. We get a bunch of members from the guild and we just farm. If we finish early we pvp and in between farming matches we PvP. Not to mention all of us are some of the best on our server for our respective class so dont say its cuz we suck.

what?
Its still available to the game we arent hacking
and was your friend using mules? hmm?[/quote]
i am for example using my hs mule to start the match faster and get the points faster beacause he basicly doesn't get a turn,so i only get 2 friends/guildies/randoms that also want to farm and start the farming untill we leave,beacause basicly farming is just another way for the ones that are not very good in pvp to get the pvp items.
i do not understand why all the pvp pros need to rage so much about something that helps others.

@Bomber321: the ppl i farm with dont use mules. We get a bunch of members from the guild and we just farm. If we finish early we pvp and in between farming matches we PvP. Not to mention all of us are some of the best on our server for our respective class so dont say its cuz we suck.

what?
Its still available to the game we arent hacking
and was your friend using mules? hmm?

[quote=KingsGlory]@Bomber321: How is farming for emblems illegal? Vigilante justice is though. We do nothing wrong yet you because your opinion is different than ours you feel the need to persecute and antagonize us?[/quote]
Off the bat if you are using mule you already are doing something illegal.
Everytime you farm you are using how nexon sets up teams, to say, for your own game.
Everytime you farm you are taking nexon's game and doing something not normally available to the game.
Did you know my friend was once banned for monster carnival trade wins?
@awesomeplayer2:
I said you CONTINUE to face people and PvP kings until you get better and eventually overcome them. Why is it so hard to understand?
Also I wasn't the one who made the test arguement, but your backlash towards it made no sense at all.
Spending time = / = working hard in this case. You may be spending time but you put minimal effort, if any.

[quote=KingsGlory]@Bomber321: How is farming for emblems illegal? Vigilante justice is though. We do nothing wrong yet you because your opinion is different than ours you feel the need to persecute and antagonize us?

You said this "If players are not good, they don't DESERVE emblems." And you have no right to question my moral compass. Simply because ppl farm doesnt make them "trash" Mr. "Holier than thou"
They did earn it seeing as they killed the other players. Your arguments boil down to "hey he got what i got easier than me! That's not fair!"

And what about less populated servers? Here if you actually find ppl to pvp and you destroy them they leave and dont come back unless you farm. So are ppl in Arcania or Zenith trash because they make due with what they have? Are we lower than you Broan or Scanians up there on your pedastals?[/quote]
i completly agree with you,beacause basicly the complaining about farming people are complaining that others get stuff more easily than you when you can just get them easily too and saying it's either work hard for it or don't do a s**t for it and buy them instead.
in small server it is basicly that the pvp kings pvp while the ones that are not pvp kings stay behind and buy the equipes,but not everyone is rich and able to buy those equipes. some make them for profit some for they'r own use.
all of the stuff that you say about farmers are trash are invalid for me beacause you basicly say that only the pvp kings shoud pvp and the non pvp kings buy the equipes for high prices.
and also farming is not cheating,it is basicly another method for the ones that are having problems doing real pvp,it is basicly like a private teacher that you pay to him for helping you with learning beacause basicly we are working for the emblems,we need to get people,kill,allow the other people to kill you on they'r turn unless you have 4 of you'r mules and it takes alot of hours to get enough emblems for 1 equipement,while you'r showing an an example of cheating on a test which is not working for it while we are working for hours to get the emblems for it,just that we do more easily but we are working for it while the D bags thinking that we can't do it on an easier and replacement way.

@Bomber321: How is farming for emblems illegal? Vigilante justice is though. We do nothing wrong yet you because your opinion is different than ours you feel the need to persecute and antagonize us?

[quote=Akatsuki0826]lol And you need to learn to read. I said people who don't work hard for their emblems don't deserve it, not people who lose a game. Try again. Farmers are trash, and clearly you are too if you stick up for them. If you have any sense of honor and dignity, you would be completely against farming. A different method does not mean it is the correct method. Farming is the equivalent to cheating on a test. They earn something that they did not work for. It does not affect me and it helps them, so should I just sit idly by and let them cheat. No, I'm going to do the right thing by stopping them and I'm doing the right thing here by interrupting your farming.[/quote]

You said this "If players are not good, they don't DESERVE emblems." And you have no right to question my moral compass. Simply because ppl farm doesnt make them "trash" Mr. "Holier than thou"
They did earn it seeing as they killed the other players. Your arguments boil down to "hey he got what i got easier than me! That's not fair!"

And what about less populated servers? Here if you actually find ppl to pvp and you destroy them they leave and dont come back unless you farm. So are ppl in Arcania or Zenith trash because they make due with what they have? Are we lower than you Broan or Scanians up there on your pedastals?

hey guyz farming is ok, if u hate sure u can ks, but dont be an @ss about it, like dont frcken follow them, buts farming is a way for poor people to get rich and get better at what they do

With average people (if it's 8 people and everybody playing), I get up to usually 2.5k. Plus, I don't PvP much anymore (only 2 out of the 5 games for emblems) and, I switch between my DB and DrK.

@ImDestiny: I don't take SS of my own scores. But, with 5+ of our top players in the same room, I usually get around 2k.

@ImDestiny: And you expect to beat me just because you know how to use a DB?

[quote=KingsGlory]@Akatsuki0826: Not an idiot and again you sound like a White Supremacist and you should see a therapist about the obvious problem you have with ppl finding a different method to do something. Also the fact that you have a superiority complex about pvp shows you lack strength of character.
another thing i'd DESTROY you in pvp so dont act like you're better than me and because i'd destroy you going by your logic you dont deserve to get any points.

I'm really tired of you zealots riding around on your high horse thinking you're better than everyone because you dont farm.[/quote]

lol And you need to learn to read. I said people who don't work hard for their emblems don't deserve it, not people who lose a game. Try again. Farmers are trash, and clearly you are too if you stick up for them. If you have any sense of honor and dignity, you would be completely against farming. A different method does not mean it is the correct method. Farming is the equivalent to cheating on a test. They earn something that they did not work for. It does not affect me and it helps them, so should I just sit idly by and let them cheat. No, I'm going to do the right thing by stopping them and I'm doing the right thing here by interrupting your farming.

@ImDestiny: Yea because you're going to beat the best DB in broa when you don't have good control on your own DB.

[quote=KingsGlory]@Akatsuki0826: Not an idiot and again you sound like a White Supremacist and you should see a therapist about the obvious problem you have with ppl finding a different method to do something. Also the fact that you have a superiority complex about pvp shows you lack strength of character.
another thing i'd DESTROY you in pvp so dont act like you're better than me and because i'd destroy you going by your logic you dont deserve to get any points.[/quote]
Wholeheartedly amusing how you don't even argue his points and tell him he should see a therapist. Shows your lack character.
By the way, your "different method" is illegal.
@ImDestiny: @mathgeek147: is the best DB in our server. Good luck with that.

@Akatsuki0826: Not an idiot and again you sound like a White Supremacist and you should see a therapist about the obvious problem you have with ppl finding a different method to do something. Also the fact that you have a superiority complex about pvp shows you lack strength of character.
another thing i'd DESTROY you in pvp so dont act like you're better than me and because i'd destroy you going by your logic you dont deserve to get any points.

I'm really tired of you zealots riding around on your high horse thinking you're better than everyone because you dont farm.

@ImDestiny: You wouldn't be able to beat me without and PvP gear.

@ImDestiny: It's still a difference. Which makes you statement of "you are only stronger by having more control" invalid.

[quote=ImDestiny]Same thing goes with the Demons who just love to spam Demon Cry, whether it be on me or the people I am attacking, because I will focus on you and destroy you with no mercy.[/quote]
Is that one whose animation is black stripes swirling all over the place and following you around? Someone kept using it on me

[quote=Strive2Dream]A lot of people are off topic.
OT : There are some people in rookie pvp, like me occasionally, but there are very few. About 4-7 ppl max. There's usually some ppl in rookie pvp 6-8pm PST. Yhere are usually games in 70+ about 5pm-9pm PST. And as for 120+ there are usually a lot of matches, but it's pretty crowded atm with all the pro pvpers from a bunch of worlds. World Tourney! <3[/quote]
inorite?

Thanks for the information! I am literally going to keep suiciding to stay at 63 if I don't get that one drop I'm after, but 70's unnervingly close...

@ImDestiny: You are bragging by saying "they suck yet I still own with no Battle attack."

@ImDestiny: I didn't say it makes them able to "destroy". I said it still makes them better than they were. You can't say there is NO DIFFERENCE, there is, it's just not significant. And Cannoneers are good PvPers, don't even need that much skill/BA. And, you don't need to brag about how "good" you are.

[quote=mewyx]Pvp equips don't even do much. When I upgraded to a full halphas set, it didn't get me that much better. Its just experience, not pure equips.[/quote]

Still makes them better than what they originally were.

[quote=ImDestiny]@MagiBombchu: I agree with @Bomber321 , farming defeats the whole purpose of PvP. If you suck, just forget it and move on. No one said you had to get emblems. -_-
You are lucky you aren't in Bera, or I will KS the hell outta you if you dare to farm.[/quote]

You should just let them farm. Gets more competition out there if they decide to get PvP equips and use em.

I've never farmed and can make like 10+ emblems a week
no one ever said getting good equips was supposed to be POW-POW! - Enemy dead- RISING SUN EQUIPS!
Your supposed to actually try and get better and fight real [i][/i] people (ahem person vs person)
Why do you guys have to be such cry-babies and quit when you get beat

[quote=chainedwind]

I [i]finally[/i] got into some free-for-alls (so it looks like it was a time thing after all, although still nobody in the other modes?) and I can see kind of what you mean! Why is it more imbalanced than 70-120 or 120+, though? Does each level make a smaller difference as you go along?[/quote]

120+ is much easier at level 160 or above. Skill levels do matter.
[quote=KingsGlory]If you completely run them into the dust they can't really get better now can they?[/quote]
Yes they can. They learn how to play against and adapt to specific classes and specific playstyles of people.
[quote=KingsGlory] I'm really not trying to be mean or anything. PvP was never meant to be a means for ppl to make mesos. It was meant to be a way for players to fight other players them emblems and pvp sets are just an added bonus to those who pvp a lot.[/quote]
If they weren't made to gain mesos, why are they trade-until-equipped? Why can they be PSoKed?

[quote=Bomber321]All reports go to basil(who doesn't log on a lot in the daytime..). You are better off PMing moderators.[/quote]
Oh, bluh. I'll keep that in mind for the future, I suppose, now that we're on the fourth page :'D

//edit: Oops, fifth page. Hmm, that farming argument is quite extensive

[quote=darkorbit6]Rookie mode PvP is kind of...imbalanced due to the large level gap. Although I still kicked butt on a lvl 4x BaM against a bunch of 60+ classes(which also I got it to 55 on it by PvP alone), the classes that owns the map would usually be mages, lvl 50-70 UAs(pirates, thieves, warriors), and thieves.

Other than that, maple isn't what it was used to be 2 years ago so 30-70 is a breeze so I doubt some players would want to PvP at that stage of level.[/quote]
I [i]finally[/i] got into some free-for-alls (so it looks like it was a time thing after all, although still nobody in the other modes?) and I can see kind of what you mean! Why is it more imbalanced than 70-120 or 120+, though? Does each level make a smaller difference as you go along?

[quote=KingsGlory]@Bomber321: If you completely run them into the dust they can't really get better now can they? I'm really not trying to be mean or anything. PvP was never meant to be a means for ppl to make mesos. It was meant to be a way for players to fight other players them emblems and pvp sets are just an added bonus to those who pvp a lot.
I didnt say anything that gave the impression that i have a huge ego. YOU on the other hand sound like White Supremacist talking bout "true PvPers" and "weak will sink." Dude calm down it's called adapting. And what do you mean "Why would you 'give back'?" Just because i beat them doesnt mean i have to stay up high on some imaginary pedestal. It's not really fair to monopolize the points and ensure no one can get high scores, so i farm and i give them pointers about pvp as we farm and i learn more about their class and my class in doing so. Everyone wins, is that wrong or does that not fit into your elitist ideology that "the strongest survive and the weakest will sink"[/quote]

You're an idiot. PvP is a competition. If players are not good, they don't DESERVE emblems, and you shouldn't give them any free ones. That teaches them not to work for their goals. They'll just expect that they can farm for everything. I am merely speaking the truth. If you cannot accept that, then that's your problem. And we will continue to ruin your lazy attempts at free emblems because we know how PvP is supposed to be.

[quote=Akatsuki0826]How about you get over yourself? Anyone who doesn't work for their emblems don't deserve it. We, as true PvPers, have every right to uphold this and stop your farming. PvP is competitive. You get emblems be being good and beating others. Why would you "give back"? You beat them fair and square, there is nothing to "give back". If they can't beat you, then that's their fault. The strongest survive and the weakest will sink. Farmers only farm because they're not strong enough to actually get points on their own, so they resort to pathetic tactics like this. Since they're not strong enough, they have to sink.[/quote]
So everyone should do what I did, leave their weak classes and PvP with a DS, Merc or BaM to own 'em all
Got 30 emblems in like a week

@Bomber321: If you completely run them into the dust they can't really get better now can they? I'm really not trying to be mean or anything. PvP was never meant to be a means for ppl to make mesos. It was meant to be a way for players to fight other players them emblems and pvp sets are just an added bonus to those who pvp a lot.

[quote=Akatsuki0826]How about you get over yourself? Anyone who doesn't work for their emblems don't deserve it. We, as true PvPers, have every right to uphold this and stop your farming. PvP is competitive. You get emblems be being good and beating others. Why would you "give back"? You beat them fair and square, there is nothing to "give back". If they can't beat you, then that's their fault. The strongest survive and the weakest will sink. Farmers only farm because they're not strong enough to actually get points on their own, so they resort to pathetic tactics like this. Since they're not strong enough, they have to sink.[/quote]

I didnt say anything that gave the impression that i have a huge ego. YOU on the other hand sound like White Supremacist talking bout "true PvPers" and "weak will sink." Dude calm down it's called adapting. And what do you mean "Why would you 'give back'?" Just because i beat them doesnt mean i have to stay up high on some imaginary pedestal. It's not really fair to monopolize the points and ensure no one can get high scores, so i farm and i give them pointers about pvp as we farm and i learn more about their class and my class in doing so. Everyone wins, is that wrong or does that not fit into your elitist ideology that "the strongest survive and the weakest will sink"

[quote=ipwnmexes]Yeah I can't continue a conversation with someone who lies so much. I've personally seen you kill mules, how? I was muling for a friend cause he was missing 2 emblems for his rising sun face thingie and you killed everyone. But I'm sure you'll say it was just that ONE time huh? But anyways have fun lying to yourself about how you're just doing this so "they play it right man" no skin off my bones~ ;][/quote]

I happen to know you are talking crap because you and Bomber123 are in entirely different servers, thus there is no way you could even have seen him.

And before you say "I have a mule in Broa so I know!", Bomber123 is currently not in Broa, and has not been for some time.

[quote=ipwnmexes]Yeah I can't continue a conversation with someone who lies so much. I've personally seen you kill mules, how? I was muling for a friend cause he was missing 2 emblems for his rising sun face thingie and you killed everyone. But I'm sure you'll say it was just that ONE time huh? But anyways have fun lying to yourself about how you're just doing this so "they play it right man" no skin off my bones~ ;][/quote]
I don't even have a beran character..?
@akatsuki0826: Brian i don't even know who this person is, or know what bera is like so i couldn't have even crashed on him...

[quote=ipwnmexes]Yeah I can't continue a conversation with someone who lies so much. I've personally seen you kill mules, how? I was muling for a friend cause he was missing 2 emblems for his rising sun face thingie and you killed everyone. But I'm sure you'll say it was just that ONE time huh? But anyways have fun lying to yourself about how you're just doing this so "they play it right man" no skin off my bones~ ;][/quote]

Either way, the point is that Bomber doesn't need any points. He was showing your friend a lesson by trying to ruin his farming as much as possible. If he kept the mules alive, your friend can come down and still get some points off before dying, since he can't OHKO him. By killing the farmer AND the mules, you not only take away their chance to get points, but also the source of the points in the first place. But of course, a farmer like you won't understand.

[quote=ipwnmexes]". Go play the right way or get crashed. I don't ks farmers to get my own points. I do it to grief them from continuing."

Maybe I suck at understanding stuff but doesn't that imply you kill the mules? And oh i'm [b]sure[/b] you do it to "grief them from continuing" not because the mules are easy targets really you're a martyr forsaking your precious time to teach these scoundrels a lesson. And you do it for no personal gain! You should get a medal for your work! :][/quote]
I kill [b]the farmers[/b] so they can't kill the mules. Sorry if "ksing" confused you.
If i do it for no personal gain, why would i need a medal?

[quote=ipwnmexes]". Go play the right way or get crashed. I don't ks farmers to get my own points. I do it to grief them from continuing."

Maybe I suck at understanding stuff but doesn't that imply you kill the mules? And oh i'm [b]sure[/b] you do it to "grief them from continuing" not because the mules are easy targets really you're a martyr forsaking your precious time to teach these scoundrels a lesson. And you do it for no personal gain! You should get a medal for your work! :][/quote]

You really think he needs to kill mules to get points? Unlike farmers, Bomber, and the other pros, are good enough to get points on their own. They don't need more points. Griefing farmers IS their only purpose.

[quote=KingsGlory]"I dont like farming cuz due to them i can't make money" is a pretty greedy reason to not like farming.
dude get over yourself. You're being a little uppity not trying to be a jerk or anything. I farm and PvP and i still get my emblems so it's not that big a deal. I should hate farming seeing as i get half the amount of BP but i dont see it like that i see it as giving back to those i would otherwise destroy in PvP or getting a shot to make a decent amount of BP when i'm playing a pro DS or BaM.[/quote]

How about you get over yourself? Anyone who doesn't work for their emblems don't deserve it. We, as true PvPers, have every right to uphold this and stop your farming. PvP is competitive. You get emblems be being good and beating others. Why would you "give back"? You beat them fair and square, there is nothing to "give back". If they can't beat you, then that's their fault. The strongest survive and the weakest will sink. Farmers only farm because they're not strong enough to actually get points on their own, so they resort to pathetic tactics like this. Since they're not strong enough, they have to sink.

[quote=KingsGlory]"I dont like farming cuz due to them i can't make money" is a pretty greedy reason to not like farming.[/quote]
If they get better and pvp like a normal human being they don't HAVE to farm. Yes it is pretty greedy of them.
[quote=KingsGlory]dude get over yourself. You're being a little uppity not trying to be a jerk or anything. I farm and PvP and i still get my emblems so it's not that big a deal. I should hate farming seeing as i get half the amount of BP but i dont see it like that i see it as giving back to those i would otherwise destroy in PvP or getting a shot to make a decent amount of BP when i'm playing a pro DS or BaM.[/quote]
You kinda are trying to be a jerk.
How is it not a big deal? You exploited nexon's game and just pissed on all pvpers who try hard to get mesos for what PvP was supposed to be for because, you are too lazy to get better. Not trying to be a jerk here; i'm defending all hard working pvpers.