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So.. I'm maxing Final cut first after I rested my points. I'm Lv125.

I'll be mostly training as I'm low to go on boss runs. Is it a good choice? And I've read that triple stab is better to get for abit of iFrames whereas fatal blow gets you hit, and its better to put in triple stab than fatal blow for this reason. What do you think?

And is this build good for 4th? 1 Mirror target > Final cut > Throns > Chains of Hell

[quote=blahs]@the person who said who would want disorder.
Doesn't disorder -10% enemy defense? I know you'll be like WE KEEL IN 2 HITS ANYWAYS. Well LionHeart Castle Monsters have a lot of HP so wouldnt max disorder help?[/quote]

it was me, and i can agree to that... however, we get an attack that ignores 20% PDR when lionheart comes, so there you go.

ty for the guide, Lol, i was scare to touch my sp till there's a guide just to be 110% sure, even though i already know what i was doing
just want to be sure

yea im a fail lvl 164 db

but darn this happen so i had to add points into useless owl spirit ( think it was best to add points there)

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/6244/maple0002un.jpg

@Lyrical yeah, i know, but well, that wasn't precisely what happened to me, i'll start by saying that thank god, the issue solved by itself, currently level 78 (YES!) but what had happened was this:

reset my skill points somewhere around level 60, assign them like this:
8 nimble body
3 disorder
10 dark sight

now i can put in II and II+
20 Katara mastery
20 Katara booster

20 self haste
16 fatal blow
20 slash storm
20 shadow resistance

the game now allowed me to put in III, so i went:
20 Tornado spin
1 Flash jump

saved my points until i reached 70, i had 27 points to spend:
1 Mirror image (26)
20 Upper stab (6)
1 Flying assaulter (5)
4 Bloody storm (1)

however, once i had that last point to spend, and i tried to use it on BS, the game told me "missing in I, II or II+ first assign there", even though i had already spent 21 points on III and 26 on III+ in the end, only place where i could put it was fatal blow.

however, that only happened then, when i reached 71 i could assign my points to III+, and have been doing so until now.

[quote=darkspawn980]i am having an issue on my DB, looked around the first page but couldn't find anything about it, basically:
i reset my points at level 50 or so, then saved my SP from 3rd job to 3rd+, at 3rd+ i had 27 SP saved, maxed US, 1 in partner, 1 in FA, then 4 in Bloody storm, however, when i tried to assign the last point in bloody storm, it told me that i lacked SP from 1st, 2nd, or 2nd+, and the only place where i could put my last point was in fatal blow.

anyone knows why? or if this will happen again once i level to 71?[/quote]
Before the "Skill Build" in my guide, there is a note that some what answers this dilemma you're having. At lvl 55 all points must be used on skills prior. 55-70 Skill points can be used on skills 70-120.

can anyone give me an answer to the question i posted earlier in this page? thank you.

[quote=Lyrical]Greetings everyone, I am Sushiologist. I know the SP resets have lead to many questions and second guessing amongst many you. I decided to create this SP Distribution/Skill build in attempts to maybe help some of my fellow DBs out. It's pretty straight to the point and I will provide some explanations at the end of the Build. [b]Please make sure to read the "notes" and "explanations." Don't just look at the build.[/b] Thank you.

[b]Note 1:[/b] This [b]IS NOT[/b] just for high levels (it also serves as a skill build also). Everyone insists that Double Stab and Triple Stab become useless skills (at high-levels). [b]I agree[/b], but if you are a level 3X-5X DB or starting a fresh one, you [b]WILL[/b] need those two skills. [b]Please keep an open mind on the build.[/b] If it doesn't apply to you (meaning you dont need the skills, then make reference to the [b]explanations[/b]).
[b]Note 2:[/b] This is based and [b]tested[/b] on a [b]lvl 120 Blade Master[/b] (so I will leave out 4th job out)
[b]Note 3:[/b] This is soley based on general observation, experience, and oppinion.

[b]IMPORTANT!:[/b] Be cautious while adding points. Pay attention to what you are doing
because you only get [b]one[/b] reset.
[i]- while you are distributing your points, you will get an alert telling you, that you are about to use a skill point from a different job level (its fine). The end results is listed below.-[/i]

- [Personally when I got the notification, I moved on and started filling up points into the next job level] -

[header]LEGEND[/header]
[b]*[/b] = Notes an explanation
[b]+[/b] = Notes a skill required and/or tied to another skill
[b]![/b] = Notes a viable/important skill (a must max)

[header]THE SKILL BUILD[/header]
[b]Note:[/b] Job II & II+ can share SP, however Job II & II+ [b]can't[/b] share with Job III & III+
[i]- Look at your skill chart (in-game) notice that it goes - I, II, II+, III, III+. The two additional +jobs are just continuations of their respective levels (so its still [b]three[/b] jobs like normal adventurers). So with that said, the SP does not have forward compatibility. [b]Keep in mind that Job 2 =/= Job 3[/b]- [/i]

[b]I) Thief Skills (lv.10)[/b]
Nimble Body = 11+ [b]**[/b]
Disorder = 3
Dark Sight = 10 (Max) [b]!+[/b]
Double Stab = 0 or 10[b]***[/b]

[b]II) Blade Recruit (lv.20)[/b]
Katara Mastery = 20 (Max) [b]![/b]
Triple Stab = 0 or 10 (Max) [b]***[/b]
Katara Booster = 20 (Max) [b]![/b]

[b]II+) Blade Acolyte (lv. 30)[/b]
Self Haste = 20 (Max) [b]!+[/b]
Fatal Blow = 30 (Max)
Slash Storm = 20 (Max) [b]+[/b]
Shadow Resistance = 20 (Max)

[b]III) Blade Specialist (lv. 55)[/b]
Tornado Spin = (Max) [b]!+[/b]
Flashbang = 1 or 20 (Max) [b]*[/b]
Flash Jump = 20 (Max) [b]![/b]

[b]III+) Blade Lord[/b]
Bloody Storm = 10 (Max) [b]+[/b]
Advanced Dark Sight = 20 (Max) [b]!+[/b]
Mirror Image = 30 (Max) [b]![/b]
Owl Spirit = 1 or 20 (Max) [b]*[/b]
Upper Stab = 20 (Max) [b]![/b]
Flying Assaulter = 20 (Max) [b]!+[/b]

[b]Total Points[/b] = 335

[header]EXPLANATION[/header]
[b]* = Flashbang vs Owl Spirit[/b] - These two are the only skills that I believe can be switched around. Depending on your style of play and what not. You can chose to have 1 Fb and Max OS or vice-versa or max both.
[b]x-[/b] Flashbang finds its uses mostly during boss runs. Other than that it's just a simple flashy skill... (I love to boss and any advantage for my party is a given)
[b]x-[/b] Owl Spirit has a very attractive discription doesnt it? Perhaps, but from my experience it is the only skill I have not used during training/killing. (I had even forgot it existed) Why? During 4th job you get a skill called [b]Final Cut[/b] that basically makes OS useless. FC > OS anyday.

[b]** = Nimble Body[/b] - I put a note on this because I funneled the last few points I had into this skill. Some people enjoy the acc and avoid.

[b]*** = Double Stab/Triple Stab[/b] - Many have asked why I chose to max these two skills out. [b]IF[/b] you are high-leveled and see no use for them, then by all means leave them at 0. I personally chose to max out DS/TS because as a lower-leveled DB (30-70) Using Triple Stab as a [b]finisher[/b] was better than casting Final Blow (which hits 1). [b]If you find these two skills useless, max Owl Spirit, Flashbang, and put the remaining points into Nimble Body.[/b]

[header]CLOSING WORDS[/header]
First of thank you all for reading, I appreciate all of you. I hope this helps out some of you. Well if anyone has questions please feel free to ask or post. PM if you really need to. Like I said this is based on my experiences and opinions.

[B]Last Note:[/b] For those needing a 4th Job Distribution, please feel free to ask me questions. I left it out because 4th job varies by individual, depending on how they train or level. I will be happy to share mine with you in a PM, just ask me.[/quote]

Off topic xD just curious about your kataras atk and stats do you mind telling it? ^^

[quote=gandalf0213]Pre-req for dark sight.[/quote]

no, of course, but he already has the 3 required points, my question meant "why would you want EVEN MORE POINTS in disorder?"

i think you end up with 8 nimble body. unless you want disorder, but why would you d that?

i am having an issue on my DB, looked around the first page but couldn't find anything about it, basically:
i reset my points at level 50 or so, then saved my SP from 3rd job to 3rd+, at 3rd+ i had 27 SP saved, maxed US, 1 in partner, 1 in FA, then 4 in Bloody storm, however, when i tried to assign the last point in bloody storm, it told me that i lacked SP from 1st, 2nd, or 2nd+, and the only place where i could put my last point was in fatal blow.

anyone knows why? or if this will happen again once i level to 71?

@2krnguy1056 You will be using a normal attack as your means of training until 30? Anyways, dont use points until you get to 20. But if you are going to be without Double Stab & Triple Stab, you will be allocating the points into Nimble Body. Also, there is a part of my Thread that explains how the skill points can or can't be shared between jobs.
@nobleteam12 thanks, much appreciated.

[quote=blahs]I have a question/suggestion. Wouldn't it be better to take 2 points out of booster and put them in nimble? I know it doesn't really matter but those 2 points would be wasted on booster right? Since haste is 200 seconds and MI is 180 seconds, wouldn't it be wise to Buff at the same time? Having lv 20 booster would be 200 secs but lv 18(180 secs) would synchronize with MI. Basically, if you're gonna buff at the same time, that extra 20 seconds doesn't matter and could go into avoid.

Do I make sense and does my "plan" make sense?[/quote]

Wouldn't necessary be a waste. It sounds like a good plan in general if you macro your skills and such but look at the other skills. Thorns max is 160 seconds, self haste max is 200 seconds, Mirror Image max is 180 seconds, max booster is 200 seconds. If you rebuff one skills, it's kind of natural to rebuff every other skills. And sometimes the last buff that lasts longer ends up helping you because you forgot to rebuff. Since booster and self haste lasts the longest, what if you were in a situation where you were planning to flying assault away so you can rebuff. It'll be slow without booster and you already have max self haste = 200 seconds. Not saying there be tons of issues like that but we already have low health, a few points of nimble body won't generally help as much, now if it said 1k avoid. Then yeah, it would help but max booster in my opinion is still better.

[quote=oneshotkill]Omg Im so confused so right now my dual bladers lvl62 and I resetted my skills because I wanted to take ds/ts out and give to other skills but how did you get nimble body 11 and max master, booster, self haste , fatal blow, shadow resis, tornado spin, flash bang and flash jump because I was calulating how many skill points I needed and atm I only have 159 at lvl62 and in total to max all those you need 214 skill points. So Im wondering did you take skill points from 3rd job? And if so which skills should I max first o_o Im soo confused D:[/quote]

First things first, put 8 into nimble body, 10 dark sight.
Second, max booster and mastery.
Third, max everything in your next job. Fatal Blow, Self Haste, Shadow Resistance, Slash Storm.
After that, next job, max Tornado Spin, max Flash bang, and Flash Jump.
Then max everything in III+, left over points will be around 2-6 depending on if you use the books to get extra sp.
Then that should go to Nimble Body. Have a nice day.

[quote=helenalives]Is advanced dark sight useful? My friend told me there's something wrong with it....[/quote]

Advance dark sight is even more useful now and then even more useful after reorganization patch. Advance dark sight allows you to stay in dark sight after attacking for a 49% chance max level. Which is good considering the fact that you could avoid touch damage when fighting. Since now you can pot in dark sight, you won't have to worry about dying. :] After reorganization patch, we get a small bonus % to increase our next attack after attacking in dark sight.

[quote=blahs]OK I have a question on what I should max next. I have everything maxed but, [b]Nimble Body, Fatal Blow, Flash Bang, Advanced Dark Sight and Owl Spirit.[/b] Which one should I max next?(I'm lv 95) Oh yeah I'm skipping triple stab+Double stab and leaving disorder at 3.[/quote]

Max Flash Bang, Fatal Blow, Advance Dark Sight, and Owl Spirit. If anything, max Advance Dark Sight first, since it can actually help you more. When you flying assaulter and use fabsus/fatsus, you sometimes don't finish killing the mob. After that, possibly Owl Spirit, since you can use it to boost your attack and to kill monsters thats been singled out of a mob. Make sure you know the range of your owl spirit and how much hp the monster have to use it more effectively and kill it instantly even if you don't kill it with a autokill. After that, possibly Fatal Blow which I currently don't use as much now since it's been weaker. A bit stronger though after maxing Final Cut. Flash Bang serves a purpose later on but right now, with the avoidability problem we have. It might not have a purpose instead of killing of mobs of monsters you weaken. It has a strong attack range as well.

How come you have lots of unmaxed skills like owl spirit and flash bang.
In the ultimate dual blade guide skill build, u can max em but with you build its either 1 or 20?
What happening?

[quote=animals74]Nimble body = 60 acc+avoid, dex = acc, luk = avoid. So why have it when your already gradually getting acc+avoid through leveling?
DS/TS = 20 pts together, Once you get to 30, you'll have slash storm which makes them useless. but, I can't be positive on this one
since I don't know how bad Slash Storm got nerfed/reduced.

and TS, I think you said something about having DS/TS as a finisher? Why not just use the regular ctrl?
You hit twice without using Double/Triple.

and questions : Is the level 30 suit just an event item?[/quote]
All the skills with *** have explanations and are optional. Please read the explanations and the guide in its entirety.
-also-
DS/TS is stronger and faster casting than normal attack, which promotes quicker kills thus more efficient training. I am an efficiency trainer so the little details impact my whole process...

@gatz I used my GF's DB (that I made her) for this build. I only baught 2 CS books (Slash Storm & Tornado Spin) the others, I successfully passed.

@allabove, lvl 55 to 70 points can be saved. However you [b]CANT[/b] use any points from lvl 10-54 (1st & 2nd job) in 3rd Job (55 & 70).

even though thorns is nerfed, a DB with thorns on will mathmatically do more damage than DB without thorns, with lower level thorns (assuming = gear). Thorns is free dps gain, i really cant think of no reason not to get thorns. However the argument to go FC first is valid, but after FC i most def would go thorns.

I've already used my SP reset so I'm hoping I can get another one this Saturday during Hot Time.
Anyways quick question. I was following the Ultimate Dual Blade Guide posted on Basil pre-BB. Currently I'm level 66 and had the intent on saving a LOT of points from 55-70 so I can instantly get FA, BS and some other skills when I hit 70. But alas, when I looked at the guide again yesterday it said something about Nexon screwing up the way DB's can save points. I read through all 6 pages hoping someone already answered this..So really my question is, is it still possible to save the points gained from 55-70 and use them immediately after 3rd Job Advance?

I would also like if you could PM me or add the 4th job distribution that you went with to the guide, I'm torn between maxing thorns or final cut first since thorns is nerfed, and I don't have se gloves. The way I see it, thorns doesn't help damage much but final cut does (for training). I also think final cut would be better for soloing bosses but i know that thorns stacks with the inherent critical on chains now so I really can't decide.

[quote=Lyrical]@MSVeteran05 useless to you, but maybe not to a new DB or lower-leveled one...and please read my last post.
and @scorp989 please read my last post...[/quote]

doubt they read the whole thing, some parts of this guide is optional and yes it helps a plenty

@MSVeteran05 useless to you, but maybe not to a new DB or lower-leveled one...and please read my last post.
and @scorp989 please read my last post...

I was able to max owl spirit and dlashbang, why would we need triple stab again?...

your build was really useless i did not put points back into Double and triple stab... i maxed shadow resistance nimble body all lvl 55 skills all lvl 30 skills all lvl 70-119 skills but owl its only lvl 13 and the rest went into 4th job skills

I made the build with every level in mind. Not just higher levels. All the people saying DS & TS are useless are all high-levels. Personally, I don't think you will miss the extra avoid, but to each his own. The build is for everyone really, and it's my personal build. Plus I guess I'll be the only DB using Triple Stab or Double Stab to Solo Bosses =D (I Double Stabbed Pap in 8-9mins)

But i dont think you should add on double and triple stab because yo dont really need them anymore. but this only works for higher lvl dbs that are above 30 coz they can just add on slash and fatal.

I only have level 10 Nimble Body and i am happy =D

[quote=zKerrigan]So I have 3 sp left that I cannot add to my Final Cut. Are those the sp I got from Mastery Scrolls? and Can I use them or not?[/quote]

Thats what happened with me, those points are for the lower jobs. I put them in Nimble Body and it raised to a 13. Then I could now add points to 4th job afterwards. Do it one by one though. One point in nimble body, one in 4th. Thats what i did and none of those points go in 4th for me.

[quote=PurityEND]Nimble is useless. I have over 3000 avoid and i get hit plenty. 60 avoid wont do ANYTHING for you.[/quote]
Finally someone see's why I didn't max Nimble...hehehe

@OneLife1Love To be honest, I used Triple Stab to train with until 7X. Reason? TS is a faster/quicker finisher after FB or BS. Basically I would go BS+TS or FB+TS

[b]Note:[/b] I personally enjoy DS and TS. Hehe I soloes Pap (pre-BB) with just Double Stab =D

[quote=x3Ren]Mirror Target will replace Nimble Body even if its maxed. Mirror Target provides 60% defense/magic defense and gives 25% dodge which is 1/4 time you'll not get hit. Flash Bang also helps with other cases. Not to mention Advance Dark Sight can help avoid hits too. So nimble body isn't as important as some people think. Just opening some eyes.[/quote]

I have yet to reach that far with my DB so I wouldn't know much about MI. I just feel that DS/TS is extremely useless as you would never use it after the first couple advancement as they get replaced with better combinations. I just prefer nimble because as an ex-shadower player I just like the skill. Even as a shadower I had no points into DS either.

[quote=PurityEND]Nimble is useless. I have over 3000 avoid and i get hit plenty. 60 avoid wont do ANYTHING for you.[/quote]

And how much more useful is DS and TS? When do you ever use it over your other skills at your level?

Mirror Target will replace Nimble Body even if its maxed. Mirror Target provides 60% defense/magic defense and gives 25% dodge which is 1/4 time you'll not get hit. Flash Bang also helps with other cases. Not to mention Advance Dark Sight can help avoid hits too. So nimble body isn't as important as some people think. Just opening some eyes.

Nimble is useless. I have over 3000 avoid and i get hit plenty. 60 avoid wont do ANYTHING for you.

What about 4th job?

I prefer the build I used which is similar to Ren's build. I strongly disagree with this BO because DS and TS are not needed at all. If you are just making a new DB, I'd rather add 1 point into DS and just level with that. However, I used this build before BB and so I don't know how effective it would be now.

The build I used:

I) Thief Skills
---
Nimble Body = Maxed
Disorder = 3
Dark Sight = Maxed
Double Stab = 0

II) Blade Recruit
---
Katara Mastery = Maxed
Triple Stab = 0
Katara Booster = 11

II+) Blade Acolyte
---
Self Haste = Maxed
Fatal Blow = Maxed
Slash Storm = Maxed
Shadow Resistance = Maxed

III) Blade Specialist
---
Tornado Spin = Maxed
Flashbang = Maxed
Flash Jump = Maxed

III+) Blade Lord
---
Bloody Storm = Maxed
Advanced Dark Sight = 1
Mirror Image = Maxed
Owl Spirit = Maxed
Upper Stab = Maxed
Flying Assaulter = Maxed

At the moment, I am only level 113 so I would have enough points left over to max out advanced dark sight at 120. The reason I maxed nimble is because I noticed that either the thief class's avoid was lowered or the mob just has a higher accuracy system now. So every little point into nimble body would be worth it since DBs are a glass cannon. The reason for the level 12 booster is because the attack speed boost remains the same at all levels just the duration is shorter. I'd like to survive more hits than have a longer duration booster when in the end it would be the same.

Double Stab and Triple Stab is kind of needed if you're a lower level but once you hit 2nd job, you can replace them. So if you want to have shadow resistance, you need to not put any points into those skills. So you have to level all the way to thirty without a skill. This guide is for players that are already high level.

What SP's should I put for 4th job DB?

[quote=Hanate]lol I did what you did, but I maxed all and Nimble with 16 on owl o-o which now I think about it was dumb, so I am going to get the reset Sat to fix it all up.[/quote]

LOL. Why do you have 16 owl? xD

[quote=archopath]Quick question/s.
If I used CS books to upgrade my skills and have received extra SP from using them,
Do i get to keep those extra points after using an SP reset scroll?
Also, we get to keep "Decent" skills(Skills obtained from unique items) even after using a reset scroll, right?[/quote]

Dunno about decent skills but I have extra points that I'm not supposed to have so yeah, we keep the extra skill points.

Quick question/s.
If I used CS books to upgrade my skills and have received extra SP from using them,
Do i get to keep those extra points after using an SP reset scroll?
Also, we get to keep "Decent" skills(Skills obtained from unique items) even after using a reset scroll, right?
Edit:Oh my question got answered on previous posts(i think) thanks!

Add my build up there, Li. I worked it out. Well if you can, want to make it neater? My build. It has Max Owl spirit though so it'll help.
Get 8 Nimble Body first, 3 disorder, 10 dark sight.
Then Max Mastery and Max Booster.
Max everything in II +. Max everything in III and III+
Add rest of points in Nimble Body. Up to 13.

Enjoy <3 :]
I also got pics to prove it.
Job I
http://i55.tinypic.com/jglg0o.jpg
Job II
http://i54.tinypic.com/15mh0mv.jpg
Job II +
http://i56.tinypic.com/2m7u2s4.jpg
Job III
http://i51.tinypic.com/2vuc8xc.jpg
Job III+
http://i52.tinypic.com/2nt92u.jpg
http://i56.tinypic.com/2vdiow3.jpg

[quote=Lyrical]@Alchemy1234 I tested the build on my GF's DB. lvl 120
@Silang I think TS is vital for higher level training. TS>BS in my oppinion. Also it wont remove HB.[/quote]

so its safe to use it? i can put points to my later jobs? :o

@Alchemy1234 I tested the build on my GF's DB. lvl 120
@Silang I think TS is vital for higher level training. TS>BS in my oppinion. Also it wont remove HB.

You can skip double stab and triple stab. There is enough points to allow you to skip them. Those points could be put in other skills.

thanks! but did u try this? cause im scared to use my SP Reset and screw my existing build bc i hear it may not let us add points saved to later jobs like it did pre-bb. can u confirm?

@shiinsa i'll write it up. I just finished distributing out my 4th Job skills

[quote=paranormal]i leeft out double stab and triple stab , was able to get nimblebody to 14[/quote]

I did this too. Since I had already leveled past needing Double/Triple Stab, I opted for the extra avoid.

I simply added to max Double Stab and Triple stab because. 1) you don't know what level the DB is starting from. 2) By my level you wont miss the extra +9 avoid...

@Repra I like final cut, I maxed it after Thorns

Using the sp reset I managed to not have to put any into DS/TS so that means I can max both owl and FB ^-^