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mrbasil Level 198 Broa Jett 4 See what games, anime & art mrbasil is intocaptainCaptain
Hey Basilers, hope you're well.

Allergies aside, I love this time of year! How about you?

I'd like to share my thoughts about the possibility of completely revamping BasilMarket so as to encourage more sharing. In short, if you're familiar with BZL I'm considering importing that engine to BasilMarket. Read on for more detail or if you're unfamiliar with BZL.

Pros
+ more focus on sharing screens / videos - they no longer require approval as you are encouraged to post as you would on a social media site - big and small achievements, funny stuff, etc.
+ the functionality and user interface are FAR superior and funner
+ your personal profile page is really awesome, check out WatchGintama as an example
+ your profile page has links to a number of external social media profiles if you have them, ie Twitch
+ when you stream on Twitch, a story is auto-created for you to help get you more viewers
+ the guild functionality works!!
+ you can log in / sign up with a variety of different methods (facebook, twitch, etc)
+ custom avatars (not player pic)
+ the PM system is a true live chat / texting experience, unlike the current setup which is more like sending an email
+ forum threads, screens and videos would be imported, ofc

Cons
- it's new - some of you are averse to shiny new things, but think of it as a bowl of poutine when you've only ever had french fries w/ ketchup
- avatars are no longer your player pic

Let me know your thoughts, concerns, suggestions!

Be well
Posted: About a week ago Permalink

Feedback for upgrading Basil?

81%9 / 11Awesome, let's do it!
18%2 / 11Meh, nty because...

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gakinotsukai Level 221 Bera Evan 10th Growth
I wouldn't be opposed to it. I truly feel basil lost one of it's main selling points when you could no longer create auctions.

I've poked around bzl a few times and it's like people having their own blog pages. When screens/vid/stories are one of the main areas with activity, I don't see why not.
Sep 11 2017
mrbasil Level 198 Broa Jett 4 See what games, anime & art mrbasil is intocaptainCaptain
@gakinotsukai ty for the feedback. BZL actually arose from Basil's stories. But it's way more powerful in that a story on BZL can be a screen, video, news, opinion, etc etc but WAY less serious than a blog. Also, when you post a link the site will automagically get a screen / video / tag and it's all nicely organized and modern. And it works well on mobile!

Can I ask - why did you decide to just lurk and not join on BZL?
Sep 11 2017
gakinotsukai Level 221 Bera Evan 10th Growth
+1 I actually don't use bzl myself or lurk on there. It's just that when I'd click on a screen/video on the side it usually linked me to bzl. Well that and @friedclam's food photos are unavoidable.

As for overall, I've been a member of basil for 10 years now and it just still seemed like the goto site for things related to maple where bzl was anything that anyone really felt like talking about. Maybe it's nostalgia or maybe just more of an automatic reaction but I don't really get the feeling of chatting about maplestory on bzl than I do from basil. So I didn't really bother looking at bzl as a source to discuss things maple. That's most likely the reason why I didn't bother making an account there.

If you make the decision to upgrade or merge I don't think it'll be a bad thing, it's just going to be some getting used to.
Sep 11 2017
ecarina Level 231 Galicia Cannoneer 4
+2 That con is really reductive. People don't generally like change, but they come around to it when it's an improvement. The new Basil site is not an improvement on old Basil, which is why so many users still don't like it, and saying that "some of you are really averse to shiny new things" makes it look like you're ignoring criticism. Old Basil, for instance, showed your character at the top of the page, that was nice, it made it feel personalized, and it was an easier way of telling whether or not you were logged in than the current site. The comment box also doesn't show you how to post links or anything like old Basil did.

The second con is a pretty big turn-off for me. I like my character being my avatar, I'm proud of her. One of the major reasons I come back to Basil so often is because it's an easy way to keep track of my characters, their levels, etc. when logged out of ms.

As for BZL, I haven't really found any use for it to be honest. I come to Basil to talk about MS, and if I wanted to talk about anime or games, there are sections on the forums for that. BZL always just seemed like it was splitting the community for no real reason.

Additionally, and I'm not sure if this is the case if you actually make a BZL account, the feed seems unnecessary. Looking at it right now, I don't care that joblessjim is streaming Overwatch, I don't play Overwatch. There's also a lot of empty space once you scroll down. Facebook, for instance, only scrolls the news feed while shortcuts and the chat box stay with you. It seems like using BZL would involve a lot of scrolling all the way up to the top in order to see anything else. This isn't as big of an issue, since Twitter and Tumblr do the same thing, but I do think making the options scroll with you would be an improvement.

Looking at the pros:
-I've never shared a screen or video but judging by the complaints about Basil's system, this seems like it would be an improvement
-I'd have to disagree, I think even with the inferior UI on new Basil compared to old Basil, it's still better than BZL.
-BZL's profile page seems better, I'm a little confused about the levels but that seems like a good feature. I just hope that, if Basil does incorporate this, we can still upload our characters. I like having my character organized.
-I'd rather not. Granted I don't stream anyway, but if I did I think I'd rather avoid telling Basil about it. Some of the people here are kinda... y'know
-Guild functionality is good.
-I don't really see how logging in through multiple platforms is an improvement.
-Custom Avatars seem fine for other people, but I personally prefer player pics. They let you know a little about how the person plays the game, whether they spend nx or whether they have character themes like @Beefly, etc.
-I guess I'm kind of neutral on the PM system. I don't use it often anyway.
-Ok.

I think the main issue with BZL is that it's set up like a social media, whereas Basil is a forum. They're different.

Sorry for the long comment, I've been writing a paper for a class so I feel like everything I say has to be 5x longer than necessary to hit an arbitrary page count.
Sep 11 2017
beefly Level 210 Windia Battle Mage 4 Justaway Guild See what games, anime & art beefly is intoBeefly
@ecarina: ~5 of my characters are legit, the other 4 are not. It's because I learned how to draw after I made those ~5 (I added my BaM twice).

OT: It's a bad timing for me to get back into maple, I would be using BZL much more often if it came about a year ago because I was playing other games. Well no I wouldn't, around that time I tried making a basil account and it got automatically deleted, so I kind of just gave up for a few months until I touched maple again.

I think one thing that BZL needs is a more obvious thread section and thread placement. Like I'm trying to submit a drawing there, but uh.. what do I do? Do I just make a thread?

The other threads I made I'm not sure if I even placed it in any section, so I assume it doesn't have one and several other threads probably don't either which means they're just lost. This also means the sections are emptier than they could be. Chat in BZL is practically non-existent, and I blame the hashtag system for that, you don't need to type that nor add it to any section. I suggest BZL should make people choose a section in order to create a thread just like basil does. Then there wouldn't be any lost threads, and each section would update much faster.
Sep 11 2017
uwotm8 Level 15 Broa
Sorry king B, but I like Basil the way it is now, well actually the original one was the best but currently it's ok too. But any drastic changes would probably diminish the site's user base completely.

I'm all for implementing features that could improve Basil though but keeping the layout the same is important!
Sep 11 2017
mrbasil Level 198 Broa Jett 4 See what games, anime & art mrbasil is intocaptainCaptain
@ecarina: Thanks for the feedback. You're right, it was reductive. I am constantly editing what I say because I think after a sentence or two most people get bored and scroll on. The topic of people not liking change is a complex one, no doubt. I am not making light of it so much as keeping it light, if that makes sense.

You say new Basil isn't an improvement on old. The reality is that the prior version was hated too when it came out, and the one before that and the one before that. If we never evolved we'd still look like we were stuck in 2005. I know some of you think you'd like that, but there are some key issues, notably mobile phones, that force change.

Thanks for the pointer about the missing help link near the comment box, it's back now, though admittedly bare because the site is intentionally simpler now. I appreciate your points about the avatars, it's a cool thing to have and I can understand that it would be disappointing to have it removed. I'll definitely keep that in mind.

Re: BZL
- intentions - I saw many people / my own in-game friends leaving MS, and wanted to create a place where we could all stay in touch and still talk / share.
- levels - this is just a fun way to keep track of your activity, similar to how MS lets you level up certain traits. It's purely for fun - "oh, I'm a level 30 commenter, awesome".
- sharing links - this ties back into my original intentions for BZL - to help you keep in touch with your friends. The thinking is that you follow each other and can share / talk and thereby ignore what doesn't interest you. This is kind of similar to Reddit, I believe?
- forum - BZL does actually have a forum too now - www.bzl.co/forum

I see your point about the BZL feed / sides, I'll think that one over as it's an interesting challenge.

Thanks for the great feedback, I love lengthy replies - it shows you care and provides great granular info on specific issues / suggestions. It's much appreciated. Good luck with your paper! Sorry to hear you're having to do lengthy papers already...

@beefly: good feedback, so you find the process to add a little unclear? I have thought about making topic selection a requirement but thought people would find it too restrictive. I can see that the lack of forced structure can actually have the adverse effect of making it feel as though your posts don't really belong anywhere. Maybe if I set it so that you have to at least select a top-level category (ie, #Art) you can be taken directly to the bzl.co/art page immediately afterwards to make it clear that your post now belongs? Would that help?

Maintaining momentum and getting people to chat / share stories is a challenge because I think people's perception of activity (or lack thereof) is a catch-22. I am very confident that there's a kind of magical point where it's evident that the site is very alive and that would encourage others to partake more and revisit more. I appreciate your feedback on how I can work on that. Let me know if you have other thoughts, I think you're definitely on to something.

@uwotm8: thanks for the feedback!
Sep 11 2017
wellness Level 199 Mardia Phantom 4 Justaway Guild
I wish I had some ideas, but I'm not in-tuned with the site and people at the moment. I'm one who doesn't care as much about the layout, and it looks like most of the bugs/kinks have been worked out over time.

Would it be bad to redirect the site to bzl instead of having the two separate?
Sep 11 2017
mrbasil Level 198 Broa Jett 4 See what games, anime & art mrbasil is intocaptainCaptain
@wellness: hey, ty for the feedback. Can you clarify what you mean about redirecting to BZL? You mean do away with Basil and just have it take you to BZL.co/MapleStory-game instead? If so, I think there's still a lot of love and fun to be had with Maple and I want to support that as much as I can. So much so that I would still like to take some time so as to encourage even MORE activity + sharing. Part of me really likes your idea because it simplifies things, but I imagine most people would not be as open to the idea as you?
Sep 11 2017
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