General

@FireBoy67 I think Shout has a rare usefulness for very specific situations, more so than Coma in my opinion. Stun against normal mobs is very... useless, since they don't have the HP to merit using Chance Attack or they can't be stunned. Just my opinion, but yea, Energy Blast/Landlubber Blast are 'useless' in the same way that Intrepid Slash is; getting it instead of another skill in Hamstringing your character pointlessly. Especially since 70~120 is so easy now.

[quote=YoPurple]Lol i maxed land lubber instead of stun mastery. I like how LL looks,and hitting high numbers was a plus. 3rd job was a breeze,and everything in 4th job is either killed in 1-3 hits or is a boss(LHC and SH) so stun mastery is pretty useless IMO. I had more fun useing LL whenever i didnt have to mob/had no energy,so i have no regrets on maxing it.[/quote]

Stun Mastery is great in PvP. Land a hit and you've got a chance to get a free kill if you Stun someone. No reason to not max it when Landlubber is replaced anyway; it's a mentality Crusaders have had for a while with Intrepid Slash and Brandish.

Oh, not to mention Stun Mastery is actually a skill that CAN be used in 4th job rather than 100% dead weight.

@WrongSections: Lol I'm a marksman. Narete used to be my NL and it was on basil, but then I updated it. Basil doesn't give you a new option...? When you update it for the first time. So it still says I'm an NL. Iono it's kind of hard to explain.

Oh look, more pointless arguing.

F'uck this place.

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight!

Jk. But it's cute that buccs would be fun to watch in a fist to fist fight, no?

[quote=CasinoDice]If were talking about LHC then the time it takes me to push the crockys on the floor to whichever side I wanted them I could have hit them with 6-7 Dragon strikes and be charged up.[/quote]

Too bad you don't factor in that while you're rushing you gain Energy and that Bucc Blast's range would allow you to attack relatively far from the wall, reducing the distance you need to rush for maximum effect. You keep forgetting that while rushing you gain Energy, meaning that CorkScrew>Spiral Assault will net Energy faster than Dragon Strike while rushing mobs into an optimal position for maximum mobbing efficiency.

Nice try, but you're still wrong.

[quote=OldGen]Bucc community with a "[b]few[/b] elitists".
lol[/quote]

If we were elitist then we would've just ignored this post or flamed him. Note how the posts from people slinging the term "Elitist" are actually insulting and they don't even try to contribute to helping the TS in any way. Some of the Buccs being CALLED "Elitist" actually provide assistance to EVERY Buccaneer, which would contradict the term. Every class has some elitists, but I think Buccaneers are actually relatively well off since we help newer players and we don't usually go out to flame. Although I'm sure I "flame"(According to mods) if someone insults me, but I'd like to think that Buccaneers aren't terribly elitist. No class is, really...

@Sirmushington I do find the Bucc community to have quite a few elitists. While I can't name them, there is no doubt that they are there. Every class has them, but for Buccs they stand out a bit more.
But I don't see many people sucking up to the Tricks guy, he just gives useful advice.

[quote=CasinoDice]@Trick122
So wait, you're telling me that you took two buccs with the same stats and had them start killing the same mobs at the same time, one who just spammed DS and the other rushed them into a corner first and timed to see who was faster? Somehow I doubt it. The fact that you need to use caps for emphasis just means you need a stronger vocabulary.. You don't see people adding caps to essays do you?[/quote]

They tend to use italics in essays. I'm not good with forum codes, so I avoid it. Same concept, different way of doing it. You could also use italics/caps to attempt and set a tone in writing, which I could argue that caps would be a tone of exasperation. I use caps for emphasis because some people ignore certain parts of my arguments and attempt to argue without countering those vital points; which means they really just spout a lot of hot air for nothing.

Assuming you're training at LHC/Stronghold then rushing allows you to get the most mobs into your skill's range to inflict the most amount of damage. For regular training your argument is even worse because depending on the spawn rushing kills them while moving you, meaning that unless you happen to be at the edge of a platform or your next rusher wouldn't hit every mob then there's no reason to use other skills.

Any way you slice it a Bucc who doesn't rush isn't training properly. Unless you have enough funding that you're killing LHC/Stronghold mobs in a small amount of time, which not many people do. And if you're funded for regular training then you'd just kill faster with your rushers.

Edit:@PraisedAura I've seen some in-game or that have PM'ed me. Maybe they just stay out of the limelight. But there are some people who've gone "AWH MAN I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU REPLIED TO MY POST.", which is... Sort of borderline on those behaviors, I guess. There's not too many tho, which is thankful. But watch your replies; it may very well be considering kissing my posterior to defend me in an argument or even vaguely take my side.

[quote=CasinoDice]@Tricks12
There is no right or wrong way to play a class, there is only what feels right for that person. You need to stop getting so bent outta shape when somebody doesn't follow your method. Although I gotta admit its fun to see you add CAPS all OVER your typING like your SPAZZING OUT all over your keyboard hahaha.

@DarkWeirdo27: I never maxed landlubber its still at 2, hows it feel to be wrong?[/quote]

You can be efficient or not, that's your choice. I listed ways in which you could train quicker by using the moves you said were a "waste of time". If someone WANTS to play the way they want to, that's fine. But they SHOULD know if the way they play is efficient or not, and they may THEN make an informed choice. Your advice isn't based of efficiency, and so you're giving bad advice. If you were to say that you can play any way you want(Specifying you choose to play a way which is not efficient) and THEN listed the efficient way then it'd be fine. But your advice is bad.

You should really brush up on a word called "emphasis", by the way. The caps are meant to highlight specific words you should pay attention to. I don't spazz over my keyboard, I don't see a ton of 1337 speak and such in my posts, or all caps. I'm not bent out of shape at all; if someone wants to play with only 1st job skills that's their choice, but don't say that using other skills is a waste of time because it clearly isn't.

@Vespersson I'd love to be shown where my office is if I'm governor. You're insulting me for no reason; would you insult a teacher if they correct your work? Unless you have some VERY large issues, I doubt you would. I showed him the flaws of his posts and the only reason I do that is because some people like the TS, who are new, may take his advice as 'good advice' when it clearly is not to anyone with an ounce of experience. If a student tells a classmate that 2+2=5, and the teacher corrects him, should he get mad at the teacher? He should not; false advice, facts or logic has to be pointed out, ESPECIALLY if other people could be influenced by it and incorrectly assume things because of it.

@SirMushington People don't kiss my posterior. There's a large difference between agreeing with someone who's consistently right(Although accepts the fact he may be wrong IF you can prove it) and just kissing up to someone. I don't believe either person who defended me actually has me as a friend on Basil, nor do they play on my world. If they were kissing posterior, they'd probably be begging to be my friend, and I dislike people like that. Although I consider them friends(Perhaps bordering a bit on acquaintance), I'm pretty damn sure if I act like an idiot or say something wrong they'll correct me rather than blindly agree(Which a posterior kisser would do).

@NameWhoOffendsMe Yea. Totally. Agreeing with someone who's backing his arguments with facts, logic and common sense is totally riding me. If my advice is wrong then prove it; I'll be glad to accept an argument against something I say if it has proof to back it up.

I would've responded sooner but I got banned by silly mods for posts I made a week or two ago. Gotta love how backlogged they get; Basil really needs more mods. Or you know, they could not ban people for using harsh words that aren't flame. But they seem to enjoy doing that.

Edit: Bloody typo's.

Mmm bucc community turned to crap? Thats not normal...
OT:Most of posters on the first page have the info ya want

Not like I have anything against Tricks, I think his buccaneer guide is useful. ^
OT: Yes, you should use CSB following after Spiral Assault! Great mobbing skills, and corners mobs easily.

[quote=WrongSections]@SirMushington name 5 people who "suck" up to him. I bet you cant[/quote]

You, at the moment. Take a browse on the forum and find them yourself.

[quote=WrongSections]@SirMushington and i only see useless posts and ignorance in this thread. Whats your point?[/quote]
Nothing really, just find it funny how much people suck up to Tricks lol.
Also kinda sad to see people having to label others as "bandwagoners".

[quote=Vespersson]Shut up. You're not the universal governor of how people should train and build their characters, 4sswipe.[/quote]
Hun, Tricks has not declared himself to have any dominion over how you yourself choose to use your character. Don't get so worked up over it. If you wish to, you can freely shrug off his advice. However, he generally does provide quality advice rooted in rational experience. Sure, he may jab at you a bit, but when you don't take it personally, you may actually benefit from it. It's the same way with a lot of informative posters out there, especially with MrTouchnGo in the Shadower forum.

[quote=WrongSections]@SirMushingon being logical is different from being elite.[/quote]
No logic. I only see elitism and butthurt.

[quote=WrongSections]@vespersson youre one of the buccwagoners who know nothing about buccs arent you[/quote]
....
Elitism at its finest.

@Vespersson Hes pretty much the boss 'round here. He's pretty smart.If you choose not to listen to him, so be it.

Thanks for the info!

[quote=CasinoDice]Id rather not waste my time.[/quote]

Hey you're the guy who maxed Landlubber! How's that working for you?

[quote=CasinoDice]Id rather not waste my time.[/quote]

Yea, why waste time rushing mobs WHILE you Charge, moving them into a more optimal position to hit MORE of them than purely DS+Bucc Blast spamming. If you're not rushing then you're playing your Buccaneer wrong, or you're in a map that is too small to promote rushing(Which are few and far between).

Please stop giving bad advice. Your other skills have SEVERAL uses(Cork for platforming, Cork/Spiral Assault for rushing, SSK for avoiding damage in specific situations...), and if YOU choose not to use them then don't tell others not to. They shouldn't gimp themselves because of YOUR BAD ADVICE.

1. Yes.
2. You seem fine. I'm pretty sure damage isn't a big deal if you're 30k buffed though.
3. Yeah, but I-frames are still on Somersault Kick.