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Well, here is how you can calculate which is better DPM,

First, add up your total sum of M.Att from equips and skills with your Evil Wings equipped, then find the difference of total M.Att between Reverse and Evil Wings in percentages. For example: Say you have 200 M.Att total with Evil Wings equipped (91 M.Att). If you equipped the Reverse, your total M.Att would be 245. With the Aeas Hand equipped, your range should go up by 23%.
Now assuming that the previous statements above me are right about the attack speeds (Evil Wings being 2 Speed, Aeas being 5 speed, and about 7% total damage per speed), you can say that the Aeas Hand is 21% slower.
So the final outcome between the two in DPS/DPM would be that the Aeas Hand is about 2% better. Just increase the M.Att on the Aeas Hand with 60%'s and level it up a bit and it should pull a little bit farther ahead.

The Evil Wings sure gives the Reverse a run for it's money though. Never knew that staff had a fast speed on it.

@Mystelteinn: I ended up just sucking it up and equipping the staff hehe, so that 25% increase is from the in-game range shown in the stat window. Would that be enough to make it better than EW?
@HateSpirit: Yeah, I was thinking of buying one of those but I think the Empress Set would be more beneficial, I've got about 1B and I need some good armour. Right now I'm just using that Black Mesoranger set.

Anyway, thanks for the help guys.

@Mystelteinn Oh, so that's what union aura does. Never really looked into hyper skills much. I always thought yellow aura gave +1 speed, and then aya gave an additional +1.

i think he was looking for the damage without equipping to get a general difference between the damage of the two weapons, and then planned on finding the effects of speed between the two.

@ashje Eh, obviously it affects your damage, but finding the difference of 1 attack speed is such a pain to do in-game. It's so hard to notice through the animationf. ): If you have the money, I think getting an elemental staff 1-4 would be a good idea. Good luck!

[quote=DawnEmperor]http://global.hidden-street.net/character-damage-calculator
This is good damage calculator.[/quote]

Damage =/= DPM (Damage per minute) nor DPS (damage per second)

Since this guy wants to know the difference between a slow, harder hitting weapon vs a fast, less damage dealing weapon, a simple damage calculator won't do crap.

DPM or DPS calculator would be more accurate. Unfortunately, I have no idea where to find one.

Alright well the Aeas is about a 24.8% improvement in range on the EW, is it worth it?

http://global.hidden-street.net/character-damage-calculator
This is good damage calculator.

Thanks for the help guys

@HateSpirit: As far as I remember, the Reverse/Timeless Items are Slower (9). I'm not 160 (I think that's the level you have to be to) yet so I won't have access to the Hypers even when they come out which means no Union Aura for me and by 160 I'm hoping to have an Empress or Elemental Staff so it won't matter much anyway In any case, Union Aura simply extends the duration of BB to such an extent that the cooldown is moot and you can have BB on constantly like a normal buff. So for 100% of the time, we're looking at +2 from Booster, +1 from AYA and another +2 from the UA'd BB, coming to a total of 5 bonus attack speed. This means using either a Slow (8) or Slower (9) attack speed weapon will leave you short of the cap even with UA so you'd only be able to hit the cap with (7) and above. Without UA (which is the situation I'm looking at) you'd need a (5) speed weapon or above to hit the cap. So right now an Aeas hand in my situation would be going from (9) to (6) because IIRC Yellow Aura and AYA don't stack in their speed boosts so you only get +1 from AYA. That would make my Aeas 4 steps behind my EW, unless we're wrong about the whole Slower (9) deal and it's actually (8).

The problem is in order to use @Mystelteinn 's damage calculation (I'd need either 15-24% or 20-32% more damage in order for it to be better), I need to actually equip the staff to check the range difference and calculate the %increase. However, I only have one of these Aeas Hands and if it doesn't turn out to be better than the EW, I'd like to transfer it to my Evan (but Reverse items become Untradeable upon equip). So does anyone know of a way to calculate damage range out of game?

@Nanosecond: F/P mages aren't affected by it (except IIRC Explosion is slightly affected), I'm not sure about Shads though. Arans and BaMs are definitely affected by it though (it's a visible difference too). That's why in the BaM forum there's so much of a stress on Attack Speed and that's why for BaMs it's such a pain to find a good staff since there are only like 4 different staffs with a Fast Attack Speed (counting all the Elemental Staffs as one).

[quote=HateSpirit]From what I know, AYA gives +2 speed, and booster gives +2 speed as well. So having a normal staff would be the 'perfect' speed, without wasting any speed boost. Of course, a staff like an elemental one would still be the best, because of its high magic attack. However, though I don't know much about it, I assume that union aura gives +2 speed as well, making all staves the same speed, rendering staff speed useless, except for slower (9).

An evil wings would be in the same position as the elemental staff, so its speed is kind of useless. It's about 60 base magic below a reverse (counting levels if lucky), so I'd assume that getting a reverse would be the best choice. I think Mystelteinn's calculation is pretty accurate, and it would be the same as what I just said above. Evil wings hit the speed cap of faster (2) from fast (4), while aeas goes from slower (9) to fast (5).

Empress will probably go for about 40-60m a piece for armours, excluding cape. Not sure about the current cape price, but it's generally more because it has to be crafted with the recipe [i]and[/i] dream fragments. Last time I checked, it was 1.5-2b. The weapons range from 150-250m, and the staff is slow (8). A loveless staff is only about 75-150 though (same speed as reverse).

I read through a few sources actutally just now actually (while typing this out), and I'm getting different answers for aeas' speed, being both slower (8) and slower (9). So really, I don't know about that detail. Good luck![/quote]

YA and AYA are only +1 speed. The only time they give +2 instead of +1 (and not add up to +3), is when you use body boost. Meaning that under normal circumstances (booster and YA/AYA only), you only get a boost of +3 speed.

As for reverse, i always believed they were slower (9), because some sites listed them as such, and from my personal testing, but i might be wrong on this one. Just get another slow staff and compare it with the Aeas.

In both cases, the Aeas would normally make you attack at Fast (5) attack speed or Normal (6), and once Hyper skills hit, Fast (4) or Fast (5), since Union gives you the chance to body boost all the time.

From what I know, AYA gives +2 speed, and booster gives +2 speed as well. So having a normal staff would be the 'perfect' speed, without wasting any speed boost. Of course, a staff like an elemental one would still be the best, because of its high magic attack. However, though I don't know much about it, I assume that union aura gives +2 speed as well, making all staves the same speed, rendering staff speed useless, except for slower (9).

An evil wings would be in the same position as the elemental staff, so its speed is kind of useless. It's about 60 base magic below a reverse (counting levels if lucky), so I'd assume that getting a reverse would be the best choice. I think Mystelteinn's calculation is pretty accurate, and it would be the same as what I just said above. Evil wings hit the speed cap of faster (2) from fast (4), while aeas goes from slower (9) to fast (5).

Empress will probably go for about 40-60m a piece for armours, excluding cape. Not sure about the current cape price, but it's generally more because it has to be crafted with the recipe [i]and[/i] dream fragments. Last time I checked, it was 1.5-2b. The weapons range from 150-250m, and the staff is slow (8). A loveless staff is only about 75-150 though (same speed as reverse).

I read through a few sources actutally just now actually (while typing this out), and I'm getting different answers for aeas' speed, being both slower (8) and slower (9). So really, I don't know about that detail. Good luck!

@Mystelteinn: oh really there's a difference? Ive used slow and fast items on shad, aran, fp and there seems to be no difference o.o

[quote=Nanosecond]weapon attack speed doesnt really affect the skill cast.
I would definitely use the reverse aeas[/quote]

BaM section.

Weapon speed affects a BaM attack speed.

OT : Right now your Aeas is 3 steps slower than the Evil wings. After we get Hyper skills, it's gonna be two steps. Be aware that for every step slower, you have to compensate in terms of damage range by about 5-8% per speed difference.

weapon attack speed doesnt really affect the skill cast.
I would definitely use the reverse aeas