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omg shad's are really going to suck after bbq

MM have stronger mobbing, elemental, and better passive skills than WH.
BM have nothing really... besides elemental and passive skills like MM...
But really if you or anyone else want to complain then simple dont play this game. Im sick of these kids complaining...

Done trolling,*Goes back under my bridge*

[quote=kirkle]stop being a damage h0ar and play for fun...Being a 150 bowmaster i thought ud be a little more mature, but...[/quote]
Lol just because im lev 150 means im mature? ty[ical High level stereotype
i do feel im mature i guess its just i had to vent? think of it that way
and but.... what?

Editlus i hope your planning on changing being 150+ being mature because BB is going to change all of that.

this isnt the response i was looking for but ok.I guess bowmasters look better than WH in basilers eyes.
i love and respect the bm class i am just stating how flashy they look and atleast nexon can do is give the older characters a little bit of
imagery so it wont be so boring

I agree Wildhunter gets to many good/copied skills.

[quote=sl3athOwl]His point is that a noob is gonna go for the shiny free jaguar than the ugly piggy[/quote]

My point is that if people are going to choose their classes entirely based on how the character looks, there's a much higher chance that they'll go for a Mechanic.

On top of that, how exactly are "noobs" who will probably never get past 80, supposed to "wipe out" the entire Bowmaster population?

[quote=vict3r]DrK's use 3rd job skills at bossing aswell o_o
Before Fourth job, Crusader's used First job skills to boss.[/quote]

That's because they get upgraded to high heaven with Berserk and Combo Attack. Final Cut WOULD be a nice counter argument if it wasn't getting nerfed so badly too.

Um okay so you're complaining about how in the newbie perspective, Wild Hunters are the king of the crop while Bowmasters are at the bottom of the dung heap. Well, that as you said is the "newb" perspective which will later be amended when they play the game more and learn about other aspects. So your problem isn't really a problem. You complain that your class will face criticism and condemned; however I am sure Dual Bladers and 4th Job Mages have had worse reputations.

Also, less Bowmasters means cheaper bow scrolls and bows.

Reorganization patch will nerf WH and Mechanics to be more appropriate. Sure, they'll still have their cheap moves, but at least their damage will be more proportional to their own class as well as others.

Man...i should have expected this.
Im not saying at all WH are stronger than us what im stating is that they look Awesome compared to bowmaster
there riding a freaking jaguar for christ sake.If you think i was talking about BM damage disregard that because im not.I am simply talking about characters appeal.
Just like the candy industry,they try to make there candy logo,label,packaging look better than there competition.

totally agree, they even have that stupid special that does a ton to the entire map, the job should not exist, or their job should be cut in 1/4

Bottom line, every adventurer class has been or will be demoted by some flashier creation. It's what keeps Nexon in business, and it also lets everyone have a chance at trying the next best thing, even if it is shortlived.

When people complain about one class, it seems it gets overshadowed by the excitement of a new balance patch or an all-new character. The whole point of Big Bang is changing the way YOU play the game, you have the right to choose a character as does everyone else who decides to play.

Complaining about it instead of just playing through it shows how selfish and undetermined you really are.

[quote=xRaWBMx]
"my I/L is gonna crumble into ice" [/quote]

Lol I found that funny.

on topic
No one should be complaining about their class being nerfed or something like that. It's a big improvement from what we already have sheesh. The only people who I can only see complaining about the big bang patch is mages who aoe to train. It changes their play style.

[quote=sain2357]Okay, first off, your argument about BM's being destroyed...that's beyond bs. Not only do Wild Hunters get nerfed later on, like two patches later, but Wild Hunters cant even beat BM's to begin with. Honestly, in my opinion, it is [b]ALL[/b] about funding.
And:
@ xKhashi
Totally agree with you, basically I view myself as the top of the world class after BB (not entirely true), but we are prettty dam versatile.[/quote]
I belive i stated bowmasters are stronger than Wild hunters its not about the damage at all im worried about its basically Wild hunters make bowmasters look kind of Dull
and not fun to play is the point im making.I love my bowmaster if i got the image across any of you i dont.its just wat i just stated that bothers me

You guys shouldnt be complaining about getting nerfed....

Gunslungers/Outlaws have been living NERFED the whole time, so dont even complain

[quote=firecheata75]You do realize that Bowmasters have one of the highest DPM 1v1 after the BB patch, right? Besides, from what I've seen from Spadow's blog, the balance patches following the BB patch hurt WH a little bit and make BM stronger.

I thought I was going to enter this thread and find someone to tell people to stop complaining and rejoice that there will be more balance than we have seen in a long time. Instead I saw someone complaining that their character won't be the top damager. I see that you are level 150+ so it must suck having a new class being placed in front of you that looks very similar to you, but I'm seriously surprised that you are that worried about damage. Bowman usually don't care much about damage, and being 150 I thought you would be one who would respect the class and like them for being fun. Just because Wild Hunters are out does NOT mean BM are obsolete. Even if it did, as long as you had fun playing you character...who cares?[/quote]
You have a really good valid point,but Its not about the damage. Bowmasters completly destroys wildhunters in the damage category,
but what will a noob know about damage? All they will see is a character riding a jaguar.i do enjoy the fact people are going to take liking to the bowmen class,But say for instance they make a NL type character and he/she rides a snow/surf board that floats and can attack while riding it?(not a good scenario something i thought of quick lol)Will you want a regular NL or a surfing on air NL?

This is why you choose a class you actually like instead of purely for all the power

If your class gets nerfed later on, you're screwed

[quote=AAmazingAtheist]I can't find the accuracy change for Mage or the new Magic formula... Any thread around here?[/quote]

Top of the front page in a big green block.
"Big Bang Guide"

The magical accuracy is INT + 2*Luk + accuracy form equips, I believe.

Uhh, I'm extremely happy for BB.
I haven't seen an I/L whine about it yet..

@xRaWBMx: Think of it this way. If you do fall in love with wild hunters, you already have archer equips All you need is a crossbow.

[quote=megaf6]I'll still happily play my ranger over a stupid wild hunter. I can't stand riding my hog, let alone attacking 24/7 on a poorly modeled "jaguar."[/quote]
i would totally ride my silver mane and use hurricane on it thats just epic lol

[quote=iguy]I'd make a regular bowman.
Wild Hunters are massively boring, and other than the speed boost and stance in 3rd job, I don't really see any point in making one as a main.
Bowmen are more fun, and train faster too. So what if WHs are just a LITTLE bit stronger than your class?

And also, something that really only pertains to lower levels, if you're hunting monsters that are shorter than the jaguar itself, you can't hit them, because unlike Bowmen, arrows can't bend with Wild Hunters.[/quote]

His point is that a noob is gonna go for the shiny free jaguar than the ugly piggy

I still like my Marksman.
Why you may ask?

Snipe is going to rock even harder
Piercing is still the best mobbing skill in the game
Marksmanship ignores enemy weapon defence
Ultimate Strafe, yep
More ATK from marksman boost, but sadly less mastery

At least you're still doing decent dmg -.-
Ultimates were the ONLY thing we had pride on and now...
I find that alot sadder >.>

But why just completly belittle bowmen like that?
i mean riding a jaguar,wth! makes me want to make a WH (which im planning on doing till Mechanic comes out)
all im saying is it seem they just went all out on wild hunters

I'll still happily play my ranger over a stupid wild hunter. I can't stand riding my hog, let alone attacking 24/7 on a poorly modeled "jaguar."

This sucks ass. If WH beats my MM, im making one, we have no choice but to join them.

[quote=xRaWBMx]People are still going to make DB's
your not understanding the point.
imagine yourself being a noob and your at character selection
Would you choose a regular bowmen and etc. or a freaking bowmen that rides a jaguar and has Flash jump?
think about that[/quote]

I'd make a regular bowman.
Wild Hunters are massively boring, and other than the speed boost and stance in 3rd job, I don't really see any point in making one as a main.
Bowmen are more fun, and train faster too. So what if WHs are just a LITTLE bit stronger than your class?

And also, something that really only pertains to lower levels, if you're hunting monsters that are shorter than the jaguar itself, you can't hit them, because unlike Bowmen, arrows can't bend with Wild Hunters.

i still love you guys? D:

Glad that heroes get nerfed <33 less competition!

People are still going to make DB's
your not understanding the point.
imagine yourself being a noob and your at character selection
Would you choose a regular bowmen and etc. or a freaking bowmen that rides a jaguar and has Flash jump?
think about that