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@warner1112: Thank you

[quote=Hilario70]I like the new TS but I'll miss the mobility of it so much.. [/quote]

Nice blue color on you brah..

I like the new TS but I'll miss the mobility of it so much..

[quote=InspektaJuice]Does phantom's twister pull in monsters? If not i guess that makes our TS stand out some compared to theirs[/quote]

Aight aight I see I see. The new one is better, I just like the stuff the old one had.

[quote=Reflexes]Well, yeah, I just liked how Cyclone stood out from the other skills. How unique it was, you know?[/quote]

Does phantom's twister pull in monsters? If not i guess that makes our TS stand out some compared to theirs

[quote=Mystelteinn]Can't say for sure, but I would think the DPS on new TS would probably be better. No?[/quote]

Well, yeah, I just liked how Cyclone stood out from the other skills. How unique it was, you know?

[quote=carbunion]oh wow it's 12 hits a second?[/quote]

People are saying that...but I'm not so sure. If its based off of phantom's tempest it should be 5.5 hits per second.

Yes! I'll finally have a SP after like 2 years of waiting! >.<

[quote=Mystelteinn]Can't say for sure, but I would think the DPS on new TS would probably be better. No?[/quote]

12 hits a second for a 20 sec duration ... 240 hits? Yes Pls

[quote=Reflexes]Rest in peace Tornado Spin. Rest in Piece. Oh how I loved the DPS on it thee . Everything else seems good or alright. @Mystelteinn: Oh hey man, haven't seen you for a while.[/quote]

Can't say for sure, but I would think the DPS on new TS would probably be better. No?

hi tan. estimate your new range pls

Rest in peace Tornado Spin. Rest in Piece. Oh how I loved the DPS on it thee . Everything else seems good or alright. @Mystelteinn: Oh hey man, haven't seen you for a while.

[quote=KingDeadJesters]Any true BaM would quit until Nexon changes tempest ripoff twister spin back into our current twister spin. Why the hell would they mess with a perfect skill anyways?[/quote]

Did you even read anything in this topic before posting?

New TS >>>>>>>>>>> TS.

Why? Damage reflect. Period.

[quote=rhp951]hope i get used to battle rage only hitting one thing at a time[/quote]

1St it's a bossing move.... and I need to find a key that I comfortable with pressing...I hope I won't press it on accident

[quote=KingDeadJesters]Any true BaM would quit until Nexon changes tempest ripoff twister spin back into our current twister spin. Why the hell would they mess with a perfect skill anyways?[/quote]
you got it wrong there. only the fake BaMs will quit just cuz we got a skill that resemble phantom`s tempest.
new twister spin aint bad. pplz are just mad cuz we lose 1 of our invincibility move and they cant get over it.
when they try the new twister spin, they gonna fall in love with cuz they gonna kill mobs and bosses way faster.
and if some BaM quit just cuz of a single skill, better for me. i like playing underpopulated classes. cuz theyre the most fun to play.

[quote=rhp951]hope i get used to battle rage only hitting one thing at a time[/quote]

battle rage is mainly a bossing move.
you wont use it for training.

[quote=Mystelteinn]Imho, Tempest like Twister spin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twister spin as it is.

Why? :

More damage, and especially :

[b]DR's survivability[/b]. You can let go of the key as soon as you see the DR animation. Ofc, it's hard to get it right, but still quicker than having to right click on TS's buff right now to remove (by which time you'd already probably killed yourself from DR).

I can do without the survivability issues, especially since they fixed AYAs glitch (the passive 20% wasn't working at first) and the fact that BB's cooldown is getting cut, meaning more time in BB (10 sec invinc and that % dodge).[/quote]

i have to agree with you for damage reflect.
while im in TS, i see the animation for DR and teleport away but somehow i still die either from TS or from Tele Mastery while teleing away.
i can do too without the invincibilty from TS since like i said, we have very nice avoid.
and that 30 sec CD for BB can easily be dealt with from having mech`s card

[quote=Mystelteinn]Actually, according to DPM charts, this patch more than doubles our DPM (from 2100 something to 5000%).

All the potential damage upgrades from :

- Speed boost on FB
- Critical 25% on FB
- 3 stackable 200% (or so) DoTs from Dark Aura
- Finisher becomes a 40% final attack
- Battle rage when fighting 1 mob (40% damage and 20% more crit)
- Twister spin becomes a Tempest-like skill

Can't wait for the update!

@Above : I leveled one to 120, and DANG, they're boring. I think I'ma wait for their revamp to level another mech.[/quote]

I got mine to 120 doing gb leech. Just have a famaliar out and let it hit the boss, Run , and let a high lvl friend take it out for you. Started going at lvl 100 and it only took about a week of going to get to 120 per mech.

[quote=pikalachu]yes but theres big difference in being completely invincible for 20 secs and fast draining with cyclone.
if you go on a boss that 1/1 wich is pretty much all bosses, if you use TS, you cant get hit... so 1/1 dosent affect you.
but with the new cyclone we get, we get hit by that 1/1 and your holding a key to use the skill so you cant pot yourself wich mean you have to let go of the key and use a pot.
and if you take consideration of lag for certain people, that 1/1 while in cyclone means death cuz they might not be able to pot in time.
im not saying the new cyclone is bad, in fact i like it a lot since it attack so fast and it pulls in monsters.
just use it carefully on bosses, but then again we have nice avoid so it proly wont matter.[/quote]

Imho, Tempest like Twister spin >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Twister spin as it is.

Why? :

More damage, and especially :

[b]DR's survivability[/b]. You can let go of the key as soon as you see the DR animation. Ofc, it's hard to get it right, but still quicker than having to right click on TS's buff right now to remove (by which time you'd already probably killed yourself from DR).

I can do without the survivability issues, especially since they fixed AYAs glitch (the passive 20% wasn't working at first) and the fact that BB's cooldown is getting cut, meaning more time in BB (10 sec invinc and that % dodge).

I don't want a new TS

[quote=CherryGrass]-1 speed level or does it double? does this possibly eradicate the need for else staffs? because VIP staffs seem more reasonably priced..[/quote]

It reduces the delay on FB (and our other blow skills) which actually increases the benefit of a faster weapon.

[quote=pikalachu]yes but theres big difference in being completely invincible for 20 secs and fast draining with cyclone.
if you go on a boss that 1/1 wich is pretty much all bosses, if you use TS, you cant get hit... so 1/1 dosent affect you.
but with the new cyclone we get, we get hit by that 1/1 and your holding a key to use the skill so you cant pot yourself wich mean you have to let go of the key and use a pot.
and if you take consideration of lag for certain people, that 1/1 while in cyclone means death cuz they might not be able to pot in time.
im not saying the new cyclone is bad, in fact i like it a lot since it attack so fast and it pulls in monsters.
just use it carefully on bosses, but then again we have nice avoid so it proly wont matter.[/quote]

Ah ok, thats seems correct. But for example u are soloing zakum....u are hitting 8 arms at once at super fast speeds. You will be healing like the world is gonna end. But with chaos zak thats an exception...LOL

[quote=warner1112]I finally realized why we lose our invincibility during twister spin....it because since we have blood drain and we get HP for everyhit we do during twister spin so technically we lose absolultly no HP.....Makes sense right?[/quote]

yes but theres big difference in being completely invincible for 20 secs and fast draining with cyclone.
if you go on a boss that 1/1 wich is pretty much all bosses, if you use TS, you cant get hit... so 1/1 dosent affect you.
but with the new cyclone we get, we get hit by that 1/1 and your holding a key to use the skill so you cant pot yourself wich mean you have to let go of the key and use a pot.
and if you take consideration of lag for certain people, that 1/1 while in cyclone means death cuz they might not be able to pot in time.
im not saying the new cyclone is bad, in fact i like it a lot since it attack so fast and it pulls in monsters.
just use it carefully on bosses, but then again we have nice avoid so it proly wont matter.

@themapleazn Copycat...

I finally realized why we lose our invincibility during twister spin....it because since we have blood drain and we get HP for everyhit we do during twister spin so technically we lose absolultly no HP.....Makes sense right?

[quote=CherryGrass]BaMs are going to be a little better, only 30ish % higher dmg.. am I rite?[/quote]

Actually, according to DPM charts, this patch more than doubles our DPM (from 2100 something to 5000%).

All the potential damage upgrades from :

- Speed boost on FB
- Critical 25% on FB
- 3 stackable 200% (or so) DoTs from Dark Aura
- Finisher becomes a 40% final attack
- Battle rage when fighting 1 mob (40% damage and 20% more crit)
- Twister spin becomes a Tempest-like skill

Can't wait for the update!

@Above : I leveled one to 120, and DANG, they're boring. I think I'ma wait for their revamp to level another mech.

damn i got sick and tired of training my 2 mechs and 2 mercs but now i MUST FINISH BEFORE THE 15TH ... must ... reduce ... body boost ... cooldown

[quote=CherryGrass]-1 speed level or does it double? does this possibly eradicate the need for else staffs? because VIP staffs seem more reasonably priced..[/quote]

The delay of your Blow-type attacks is decreased significantly.

all hail the bandwagoners!

It's not just the % increase but we get a massive speed boost.