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how2bepwnage Level 184 Broa Bishop
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Noooo, well, I guess we look forward to more mobility
Posted: March 2015 Permalink

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AznFlip Level 186 Khaini Bow Master
@SilverFoxR: try mobbing in SDH, there's a big difference. If BaMs are getting any tweaks, KMS hasn't had any since the devamp. I doubt that mobbing capability will get better anytime soon. Just take a look at how long Nexon took with AMs/Bishops, especially I/Ls after Big Bang hit. It had to take all the way for hypers for CL to get the same mobbing ability with CL pre-BB. Nexon recently nerfed Demon Cry, but they compensated for the loss. Nexon did not compensate for the BKB cd (see below).

BKB was really nice, and IMO it was OP. But to add insult to injury and further nerf the class, Nexon decides to go and reduce the number of mobs FB hits and we're still stuck with FBs suckish range (and outdated animation). I mean, even other close combat classes like Pallies have better range than BaMs. Nexon didn't compensate for the large nerf on BaM's mobbing.

Idk why Nexon thinks mobile mobbing is so great. It's super outdated. Endgame training maps in general doesn't require much mobility just range. It hasn't worked well for other classes (see Hayato and Mercs). DBs went from being a mobile class to just spamming Blade Fury as the main mobbing skill.
Mar 12 2015
joblessjim Level 202 Galicia Beginner See what games, anime & art joblessjim is intojoblessjim
Those who have not had the class they have mained for a long period of time changed significantly, or in worst cases gutted, should not be talking.
The people whom have stuck with the battlemage class since it has come out are the only ones whom can understand how the changes that have been implemented with the recent patch are positive or negative. Anyone else has no place to say what is right, or what is wrong, based off of an outsiders/casuals perspective.

For the record, I do not play the class.
Mar 12 2015
slapuwithlvbag Level 216 Elnido Battle Mage 4
^ well said my dear gazed friend
Mar 12 2015
LittleTLK Level 201 Broa Beginner
Just did a test of the new skills for Battle Mages. Seems pretty good. Still able to solo DIPQ easily and, despite the reaper not apparently working properly, I was still doing better overall damage output.

Again, a hyper like Sweeping Staff should not be spammable... not just damage, but because of it's reach. It's why they added cooldown to ultimates in general - because it could be abused. Players can easily stand in one spot in a smaller map and spam, moving every minute or so to stop the bot blocker.

Also, kind of getting mixed messages from TLK there... keeps touting his perma beginner, but then complains how low Battle Mages are on the DPS charts. So what if Mihile's stronger? Someone who is trying to prove that they don't care about damage sure seems to care about DPM charts.

I have a feeling that we'll see some damage tweaks coming to Battle Mages. As for a spammable hyper, no way.[/quote]

I'm not complaining that bam is low on the DPS charts. I'm using that as proof that battlemages were not overpowered and did not deserve the nerf.
And so what if the reach on BKB is large? Lumis have both better damage than us and better mobbing even when BKB was spammable. I don't see them getting nerfed mobbing.

Again, I was only pointing out bam's position on the DPS chart to highlight tha we are in no way overpowered. The only classes that should ever be nerfed are those that are OP'd. It follows that battlemage shouldn't be nerfed.

I don't know why you're getting mixed signals from me. I've been clear about this from the start.
Mar 12 2015
McEgg Level 200 Windia Battle Mage 4
I'm not complaining that bam is low on the DPS charts. I'm using that as proof that battlemages were not overpowered and did not deserve the nerf.
And so what if the reach on BKB is large? Lumis have both better damage than us and better mobbing even when BKB was spammable. I don't see them getting nerfed mobbing.

Again, I was only pointing out bam's position on the DPS chart to highlight tha we are in no way overpowered. The only classes that should ever be nerfed are those that are OP'd. It follows that battlemage shouldn't be nerfed.

I don't know why you're getting mixed signals from me. I've been clear about this from the start.[/quote]
Now, I'm just pulling this completely out of my ass right now, but I think that Battle Mages have slightly better dps in ideal situations after this revamp. Telecasting makes up for the loss of Dark Aura DoTs, and I think that a combination of the marginally buffed FB, Grim Contract, and Battle Master giving you an extra 2 lines can make up for FB/Sweeping Staff spam. Again, I don't consider myself in any way an expert on Battle Mages or anything, but that's how I see it. It's not a perfect situation, and by no means can be considered a good replacement mobbing-wise, but it's there.

In any case, Maple's been moving towards taking a dump on everyone's mobbing lately. Aran loses spammable tempest despite being a pretty terrible class even with it and Mercedes somehow manages to get even worse mobbing with the combo system. It's also worth pointing out that kMS lumi doesn't have as overpowered of a mobbing due to automated equilibirum, and gMS doesn't have enough spine to implement its own class changes.

It's pretty lame all around, but what are you going to do.
Mar 12 2015
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