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About Fastest 1 Weapon Speed

Dojo's +1 speed buff allows any class to break the Speed cap and hit "Fastest" (1). This has been known.

But it seems that every damage calculation involving OSFB and FT, or any skill for that matter doesn't include this speed since it's relatively new.
Most skills scale with Weapon Speed, but since I stumbled upon [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2426089/0/Final_Toss_speed_cap_is_3_not_2.html]this thread[/url], faster (3) and faster (2) provide no difference for FT. I'm going to assume that Fastest (1) also provides no bonus. It also doesn't seem any faster in game

OSFB is faster though, so I'm wondering if the speed increase allows OSFB (Apparantly 1764% DPS) to beat FT (Apparantly 2370% DPS), [i]without hitting damage cap[/i].

I'd calculate it myself, but I really have no idea where to pull weapon and skill speed values from. And hopefully the 40 second penalty is worth the extra DPS.

October 20, 2012

12 Comments • Newest first

phoenix23

[quote=iVege]... except your numbers are wrong for FT (5), and I'm guessing you guessed the rest from that delay.

15/16 * 420 = 420ms, rounded up. This is like the second time I've called you out on skill delay, haha [/quote]

Going from memory, sorry
Been investing too much time in the Evan forums, rusty with my Aran stuff.
I have edited my prior post.

Reply October 21, 2012 - edited
iVege

[quote=phoenix23]Additionally, one of your assumptions is correct:

FT (6): 420ms
FT (5): 390ms
FT (4): 360ms
FT (3): 330ms
FT (2): 300ms
FT (1): 300ms [theoretical]

11/16 * 420 = 288.5, which rounds UP to 300. Thus, faster1 is theoretically not any faster than faster2, for FT.

As you stated, it doesn't seem faster. This could be due to one of two causes:
1. The above math is correct, Faster1 rounds up to 300ms and provides no speed boost to FT over Faster2
and/or
2. Faster1 is not attainable.[/quote]

... except your numbers are wrong for FT (5), and I'm guessing you guessed the rest from that delay.

15/16 * 420 = 420ms, rounded up. This is like the second time I've called you out on skill delay, haha

Reply October 21, 2012 - edited
Raiden

Proof for Fastest 1? I saw [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2497967/0/Breaking_the_Speed_Cap.html]this[/url] thread awhile back, and while the thread doesn't actually have any math/I don't have any recording programs, I suppose anyone could just go into Dojo, grab a speed buff, and see the difference in attacking speed. Again, it's only Dojo's buff, and probably the first and only time Fastest 1 has been obtainable. Fastest (1) should be obtainable, it's just that Final Toss possibly might not get a speed increase with it. So I'm going to say it's situation 2.

And honestly, I haven't had any mana problems in dojo, though I don't have any Empress equips on me to kill the natural MP regen.

Reply October 21, 2012 - edited
phoenix23

[quote=Raiden]But it seems that every damage calculation involving OSFB and FT, or any skill for that matter doesn't include this speed since it's relatively new.
Most skills scale with Weapon Speed, but since I stumbled upon [url=http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2426089/0/Final_Toss_speed_cap_is_3_not_2.html]this thread[/url], faster (3) and faster (2) provide no difference for FT. I'm going to assume that Fastest (1) also provides no bonus. It also doesn't seem any faster in game
[/quote]

From the thread you linked...
[quote=phoenix23][b]ATTENTION: This was very helpfully disproven by SilentXynh and Mancartia <3[/b][/quote]

There is indeed a difference between 3 and 2, for FT.

FT (6): 420ms
FT (5): 420ms
FT (4): 390ms
FT (3): 360ms
FT (2): 330ms
FT (1): 300ms [theoretical]

11/16 * 420 = 288.5, which rounds UP to 300. Thus, faster1 theoretically should be faster than faster2.

As you stated, it doesn't seem faster. This could be due to one of three causes:
1. Your perception is incorrect
2. The attack speed formula and rounding, as we know it, is incorrect
2. Faster1 is not attainable.

In this topic, people are asking for proof of your situation -- we'd like to know if it's situation 1 or situation 2 or situation 3.

As for whether you think OSFB is worth it with faster1...

At faster2, OSFB is generally better in dojo anyway -- it builds combo count faster than FT, it saves tremendously on mana limitations, and it allows you to time the monster spawn with a giant polarbear smack right away (and skip over one instance of the normal attack).

Reply October 20, 2012 - edited
darkspawn980

proof of fastest 1 please.

Reply October 20, 2012 - edited
FalenXangel

[quote=BadgerDontCare]There should be an hour segment on the science channel titled "The Science of MapleStory".[/quote]

Bill Nye the Science guy, epic special return episode! Featuring... MAPLESTORY!

Reply October 20, 2012 - edited
iVege

[quote=SilentXynh]There is a difference between Faster(2) and Faster(3).
The same attack speed came about from us rounding it to the nearest 30ms, rather than rounding up.[/quote]

What he said.

Reply October 20, 2012 - edited
BadgerDontCare

There should be an hour segment on the science channel titled "The Science of MapleStory".

Reply October 20, 2012 - edited
SilentXynh

There is a difference between Faster(2) and Faster(3).
The same attack speed came about from us rounding it to the nearest 30ms, rather than rounding up.

Reply October 20, 2012 - edited
aznstyles

[quote=setget]Why is there a fastest(1) if it's unreachable?[/quote]

GM suitcase thing is fastest(1) I berieve

Reply October 20, 2012 - edited
setget

Why is there a fastest(1) if it's unreachable?

Reply October 20, 2012 - edited
aznstyles

I have never heard of this. I demand source

Reply October 20, 2012 - edited