Kaisers are what WKs should be
Now don't get me wrong; I'm not saying Kaisers are better than WKs or anything. I have a level 150 Paladin that I love dearly, and I've loved the Page route ever since I started playing six years ago. However, I also realize that explorers are under-powered and very dull in comparison to new classes. The revamp of explorers was needed, but it still wasn't enough. Explorers still walk around without interesting buffs or abilities to make them stand out. They have very lackluster attack skills, and they have no story or interesting quest line to follow. I understand that they aren't meant to be heroes, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be special.
I made a Kaiser recently and thought of something. When Kaiser attacks, it attacks with flame. Imagine if White Knights and Paladins attacked like that. It's a very pretty skill, and I could imagine ice, lightning, and holy versions of it as well. In fact, a lot of the skills of Kaiser could be transferred to White Knights and still make sense, aside from the dragon effects and skills.
The main difference between them, however, is this: Kaiser is fun. Paladins get boring.
Now keep in mind, I have a decently high-level Paladin. In fact, I've had two, though the first got hacked. I'm very dedicated to this route. We do have to admit that explorers aren't getting enough attention, though. I think the combo system makes sense with the warrior class, and I'd love to see it applied to the explorer warriors. It's time for change, and if we want people to make explorers again, they have to become more entertaining.
Does anyone agree? Seriously, imagine if the Kaiser skills existed in other elemental forms, and if you could use blunt weapons with them. (On that note, what's with the Charged Blow skill having a sword effect? Us BW Paladins want fair treatment! Stabbing with a BW just looks stupid.)
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I think Paladins are fine just they way they are; I'm not seeing the resemblance between paladins and Kaiser.
[quote=Hathelian]Totally not trying to provoke you here--you seem to be getting kind of defensive. I do not mean to offend you at all. I promise.[/quote]
Was going to say the same thing.
[quote=Hathelian]I mean that the manner in which Kaiser attacks--swinging with an elemental effect--is very much like a WK, and I can imagine many of the skills working for them. If they stabbed instead of swung, I would say the same for DK. I just mean that lots of the skills are more elemental-warrior-style than the actual elemental warrior.
Like I said, I get that explorers are supposed to be simple. I just think they should at least get intro stories, like an introduction to the Maple World, maybe a little beginner town with less Lith Harbor feel to it, and some sort of reason for being there. Like maybe they're being trained to fight back against the Dark Mage, but they're not chosen ones or anything. They're the ones who stepped up to the role instead of being born into it.
And yeah, they are more special because they persevere despite their problems. I just wish they were given more reason to be played.[/quote]
I understand now, but White Knights enchant their weapons with an element, right? In Charged Blow we see a sword of a special element (and in the old one we see the generic elemental afterimage). Because of the dragon, Kaiser normal attack doesn't seem the same. However, Flame Surge and Piercing Blaze do. Impact Wave is more of a fire attack than an enchantment, again. Pressure Chain resembles the Jumpscended Charged Blow a lot, though. But of course, giving Kaisers just a dragon theme would have been boring. There isn't much you can do with fire, so they just tacked on fiery animations. What makes WK special isn't their elemental attacks, but their multiple choice of elements. Otherwise, they would just be a warrior version of the mages or any other class with elemental attacks or attacks with elemental animations.
I believe explorers can do whatever the hell they like. They're like the free class. Personally, I don't want to be involved in this Black Mage business 8D. The Explorers storylines that I mentioned were more about their job instructors and their 4th job skills.
Dragon Knights are in no way pure stabbers. In fact, swinging dominates stabbing so much that it is recommended not to put any SP (as in, 0) into Dragon Buster until you're a Dark Knight in the [b]endgame[/b] levels.
As for why some explorers were special, I was referring more to their mechanics and special qualities. e.g. Combo Attack, incredible/best defense, multiple elements, most important support role, set-up OHKOs, gauge attacks, arsenal of highly situational but effective skills etc.
I feel you about this, man. My main wish is that Paladins would get a party defense skill like Kaisers. Not only that but just a skill that players can't get through an item like the empress set.
[quote=iVege]Goodbye to Phantoms if they make explorers complex like heroes.
I know that you understand that they aren't supposed to be heroes. But they [b]are[/b] special ( or at least, some ) in their own right.
And is the only thing going for the Kaiser-WK resemblence the fire? Because then we might as well say Heroes and F/P mages resemble Paladins. Because you did suggest ice/lightning/holy versions of his attacks. Without the fire... it's just dragon.
Or do you mean you like the skills like Blue Streak, the fireball rush and impact wave?[/quote]
Totally not trying to provoke you here--you seem to be getting kind of defensive. I do not mean to offend you at all. I promise.
I mean that the manner in which Kaiser attacks--swinging with an elemental effect--is very much like a WK, and I can imagine many of the skills working for them. If they stabbed instead of swung, I would say the same for DK. I just mean that lots of the skills are more elemental-warrior-style than the actual elemental warrior.
Like I said, I get that explorers are supposed to be simple. I just think they should at least get intro stories, like an introduction to the Maple World, maybe a little beginner town with less Lith Harbor feel to it, and some sort of reason for being there. Like maybe they're being trained to fight back against the Dark Mage, but they're not chosen ones or anything. They're the ones who stepped up to the role instead of being born into it.
And yeah, they are more special because they persevere despite their problems. I just wish they were given more reason to be played.
[quote=Hathelian]I don't think you got what I was trying to say. I was saying that [i]overall[/i], explorers lack a lot more than they have going for them. I was also saying that Kaiser's skills [i]resemble[/i] what I think WKs should do. I do agree that Kaiser is more Dragon Knight than dragon Knights are, though, and that it's completely unfair.[/quote]
Goodbye to Phantoms if they make explorers complex like heroes.
I know that you understand that they aren't supposed to be heroes. But they [b]are[/b] special ( or at least, some ) in their own right.
And is the only thing going for the Kaiser-WK resemblence the fire? Because then we might as well say Heroes and F/P mages resemble Paladins. Because you did suggest ice/lightning/holy versions of his attacks. Without the fire... it's just dragon.
Or do you mean you like the skills like Blue Streak, the fireball rush and impact wave?
dedicated= lv 200 i have a paly lv150 that i played for like 2 days and quit. pali are the most boring class in the game to me, besides bam. also if any one should be mad it should be drk not paladin
[quote=iVege]Explorers do have stories, some do have special skills and buffs, some do have outstanding qualities, and Kaiser is more dragon than fire. I'd like 1st job Dragon Slash for my DK, tyvm.[/quote]
I don't think you got what I was trying to say. I was saying that overall, explorers lack a lot more than they have going for them. I was also saying that Kaiser's skills resemble what I think WKs should do. I do agree that Kaiser is more Dragon Knight than dragon Knights are, though, and that it's completely unfair.
No, Kaiser is what BMs should be.
Explorers do have stories, some do have special skills and buffs, some do have outstanding qualities, and Kaiser is more dragon than fire. I'd like 1st job Dragon Slash for my DK, tyvm.