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I guess people back then saw the negative aspects that uncontrolled sexual activity might have on society, so they decided to add it into the list of sins.

[quote=zix]Condoms do not work 100%. Abortions result in psychological and emotional trauma[/quote]
dude what.....abortions dont result in any kind of trauma seriously whered you even [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_and_mental_health]hear[/url][url=http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/safety_of_abortion.html]that[/url]

@arlongpark: I don't have anything against people believing in Christianity or anything. It's just that I have my own beliefs, that's why I said what I said. That quote you provided makes Christianity look ridiculous.

@redpitbull01: Lol, nah it's just that I've never lost in a debate before using facts, reasoning, logic and common sense. And I think it's because of this, I have a habit of fighting people mentally.

[quote=BrianxD]An interesting foray into usage of perfection in terms of creationism: http://agnosticreview.com/perfection.htm

EDIT: @above's first point: If God is perfect and he created us, then his creations should be inherently perfect. Since his creations should be inherently perfect, how then would they need to be tested in the first place? There should be nothing to learn, and if God is omniscient, then he would know the outcome of the testing and therefore would not need to perform it.[/quote]

To answer you, first I'd have to say that you're applying your own logic into it. God is perfect, does not mean he made us to be perfect. I think perfection with us was gone as soon as he gave us free will. Free will =/= perfection. And also it depends on what you mean by "perfect". God's angels are perfectly obedient, but because of that, they aren't given free will.

There are many theories why God put us on earth. My favourite is the following:
First, picture a parent and child. Why would parents have children? They grow up, start making their own decisions, talk back etc. But any parent will tell you, a weeks worth of "hate" from their child is worth one day of their love and affection. That one day, despite the rest makes up for it.

God on the other hand isn't dependent on our love. He could continue by himself. But even so, isn't that one day of love nice? Despite the fact that, like children, His creation (humans), have many periods of hate, disbelieve, defiance.

Long story short if you didn't want to read: Love is a nice thing to have. It's not the same if you make something to love you, it's different when something [b]chooses[/b] to love you. In order to choose, one needs free will, with free will, comes the good and the bad; hence the testing.

What i'm getting from your statement is "God should know that we would do bad things, therefore not give us free will so we couldn't do them". Is that what you really want though? no free will?

Circle II for you my friend; I guess being a hedonist is a good thing...?

[quote=NapalmDe4th]Three points:

1. Okay, even with the definition of lust as pertaining only to adultery, the point both the TS made and I myself made still stands, albeit with minor tweaking. Why are people still predisposed to view others sexually and why didn't God just make us predisposed to not view anyone sexually once married? [/quote]

Something the main 3 religions can agree on is, God put us on earth to test us. Why? Do good, get rewards. Do bad, receive consequences. Why do that to us? Nothing in life worth having comes easy. Why do teachers even give us tests? Why not just give us the credit? Without the struggle and handwork, nothing is learned and no experience is gained.

[quote=NapalmDe4th]3. What's wrong with pleasure? Are we to ban smiling too, for the endorphins it produces?[/quote]

I'd like to back up FeelingFropp on the why sex for just intimacy is considered wrong. Except I don't want the reason to plainly be "end result being just pleasure".
Pleasure is hardly the reason.

I've said this before in the thread, sex is a very powerful thing. I highly doubt many, especially people on basil, can appreciate or understand it. Many thing one of two things:

sex = babies or sex = fun/pleasure

Sex can bring you so much closer to someone emotionally without you intended it or realizing it. If me and this girl meet up just to have sex, think about what that does. The little time we spend together is when we're both experiencing pleasure, enjoyment, emotional bonding, care etc. Over time, this can build a connection between us. It can make you [b]think[/b] you love the person and you two would do great with each other when in actuality, you're just thinking with your other head and you two would be dysfunctional.

I don't know about you, but I know I've been thinking with my other head too much, and less with the one that counted, causing me to do or say things i wouldn't have normally and regretted a few things as well. You might say "oh well too bad you can't control yourself, but some of us can". Sure, some may be able to do this. But no one's perfect. We all let our guard down. And I'm sure as hell hundreds of guys and girls can tell you about a time when they were caught up in the sex to realize what was actually good for them.

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Don't even get me started about the other consequences of having sex for pleasure, i.e. unplanned pregnancies, diseases etc.

[quote=WinterRainDrops]Idk. I'm not like into religion. I believe in god... I'm just not a religious freak.[/quote]

I don't like how your labels religious people as "freaks" and assuming they have no lifes.

[quote=oimie]Nah, because I always have my insurance ready. If there is a God, I still win because then all the real good people will go to heaven and all the bad people are going to hell. I'll be happy with this. So either I'm right, or I'm happy.

"Anyone who believes end of Earth is on 2012, you're all idiots." I have insurance for this as well.

No one can ever win me in a debate.[/quote]

i agree that the whole 2012 apocalypse is bs. but its not that all good people go to heaven and all bad people go to hell.
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
well thats assuming its the christian god so if its someother god i dont know

[quote=oimie]

[b]No one can ever win me in a debate.[/b][/quote]

LOL
You have a lot of growing up to do.

[quote=arlongpark]and if there is a god thats an epic fail to you. TS specifically asked not to comment like this
Matthew 5:28, "But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart." so yea just try not to think about it[/quote]

Nah, because I always have my insurance ready. If there is a God, I still win because then all the real good people will go to heaven and all the bad people are going to hell. I'll be happy with this. So either I'm right, or I'm happy.

"Anyone who believes end of Earth is on 2012, you're all idiots." I have insurance for this as well.

No one can ever win me in a debate.

[quote=oimie]Times like these, you'll just have to reconsider believing whether or not exists. Because when we all die, and there's actually no heaven/Jesus/God or anything, I'ma laugh at all you people spending HOURS and HOURS praying to something that don't exist.[/quote]

and if there is a god thats an epic fail to you. TS specifically asked not to comment like this
Matthew 5:28, "But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart." so yea just try not to think about it

Times like these, you'll just have to reconsider believing whether or not exists. Because when we all die, and there's actually no heaven/Jesus/God or anything, I'ma laugh at all you people spending HOURS and HOURS praying to something that don't exist.

Next time your teacher gives you a test, ask them why they made it so hard. Ask why they don't just give you the answers and a 100% in the course automatically. Teachers want you to succeed and make something of yourselves, or else they wouldn't have become teachers.

*Summary* God is trying to teach us and test us. I doubt many of you can understand exactly just how powerful sex is in terms of emotion and how it can affect your logic and decision making regarding others and yourself.

Just to let you guys know the Catholic Church does not think that the story of Adam and Eve is real.

I'm sorry man, but god doesn't exist. Lust is not a sin, and it's natural to have sexual urges.

Please... sin as much as possible. Don't make Jesus's death in vain.

God is good. God is great. Use a condom every time.

[quote=NotKelly]lust anyway.
jesus died for yo sins boi.[/quote]
I agree on this, thats why whenever i sin i thank Jesus though i may not be Catholic
he died for our so called sins so might as well thank him or he die in vain and praise his name
and sin for his sake

[quote=icetray111]Keep in mind that God made adam and eve before the fall of man that corrupted everything. Lust is a sin and there was no sin before the fall. Remember before they ate the fruit they didn't know what "naked" was.[/quote]

It's less about the fruit and more about disobeying god.

Deadly sins are made up by the Catholic church. Thus they are irrelevant.

@NotKelly: You silly bastard. That's amazing.

[quote=teresa]You sure man? there are little boys everywhere[/quote]

Touché.

But I suppose a difference is that the boys are often unwilling to do [b][i]that[/i][/b]with the priest.

its as it says. dont lust after sex. that doesnt mean dont have sex. its good to have sex but it means dont be a rapist or a ho

I dunno
I guess it's just something that you have to learn to control?

Them priests just jealous they don't get laid as often.