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Perfect Scrolling a Weapon

I need someone good at math!

I'm attempting to perfect scroll my Empress DBG.
With 50% scrolls costing around 500m depending on server, and NX Scrolls to both protect your weapon's slots as well as scrolls costing 4.6kish~, perfect scrolling a weapon is not a cheap thing to do.

[b]My question is this:[/b]

With the 20% Scrolls from the tempest event, would it be more cost efficient to scroll with max diligence (+10% to scroll success) and the Cash shop version of white scrolls? Or just keep dishing out 4.6k nx as well as 500m per 50% scroll.

[b]Factors:[/b]

[b]1st Option[/b]
Scroll Cost: 500m (5b for 10 slots since you don't lose any scrolls with this method)
Scroll to Protect Slot and Scroll Itself Cost: 4.6k Per Scroll Try
60% Chance of Passing From Max Diligence

[b]2nd Option[/b]
Scroll Cost: Non-Existant (farm coins)
Scroll to Protect Slot: 2.2k Per Scroll Try
30% Chance of Passing From Max Diligence

[b]In a perfect world, which one would cost less? Please use ratios of 1K NX= 50m/60m/70m[/b] (to show the variance as 500m is not always 10k nx)

Whoever is good at math please please please help, as the basil community will be able to gain from this as well.

Thank you again for your contribution and I hope this helps other people too!

December 12, 2012

14 Comments • Newest first

Glory

[quote=kajmir34]Max dillegence worked with renegade scrolls so I don't see why they wouldn't here. There was a list of exactly what they didn't work on but im on my phone atm so I can't find it.[/quote]

I m pretty sure diligence stacks with any 20% scrolls so far besides pink ones. People usually support this theory as these scrolls work more often under the effect of max diligence. They supposedly dont work on special scrolls, which southperry concluded are chaos, enhancement, pink and potential scrolls.

Reply December 12, 2012
mikeandike

I did the math and if everything everyone said is true about max diligence, buying the cash shop white scrolls and 20%ing would be much cheaper.

Without Diligence

50% Scroll working on avg 1/2 times with the cost of 4.6k per scroll is 9.2k+500m per slot which adds up to 19.2k nx at 1:50

20% Scroll working on average at 1/5 times with the cost of 2.2k per scroll is 11k on avg per slot (Scrolls cost nothing)

With Diligence is some more detailed math, but you can see that 20% with Cash shop white scrolls are the way to go.

Reply December 12, 2012
kajmir34

[quote=OrionTempest]@SheepPB: From what I understand, Potential, Enhancement, Clean Slate, and Event scrolls don't work with it.[/quote]

Max dillegence worked with renegade scrolls so I don't see why they wouldn't here. There was a list of exactly what they didn't work on but im on my phone atm so I can't find it.

Reply December 12, 2012
guerratrades

Well if you're a perfectionist you should wait forultimate 1h/2h scrolls to come out. They add +9 to att or ma.att and +3 to all stats. 20% chance to work and 100% boom rate. Otherwise it won't be a "perfect" weapon. Otherwise you should try the 50% ones and farm positive incredible chaos scrolls instead.

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited
OrionTempest

@SheepPB: From what I understand, Potential, Enhancement, Clean Slate, and Event scrolls don't work with it.

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited
doc

I doubt diligence doesn't effect these scrolls. So far I've used about 9 of these scrolls (with max diligence) and I've landed 5 of them. That can't be a 20% or 22% chance as some of you have inferred.

@Deadly1337: If you look at it, it says "Scroll success rate: +10.0%" I think (pretty) sure it's additive, not multiplicative.

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited
Datfeelwhen

[quote=mikeandike]Can't you only get 5 CSS per character? Since Empress DBG is PSOK to trade, that wouldn't make sense to move it to each account for only 5 10% CSS[/quote]

You only need a psok if you equipped it already.

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited
mikeandike

[quote=RicoTheMapler]If it's 500 mil per scroll

Then the 20% scrolls may be cheaper
I only say may because the chances of you to miss are greater
Also remember the 50% do +7 att
And 20% do +5 attack +3 all stats

From me just looking at it since each scroll has a 90% chance to miss(Because I'm pessimistic like that)
You'd need more slot protection. but you could also farm for clean slates and hope you hit with 5% to get a slot back.[/quote]

Can't you only get 5 CSS per character? Since Empress DBG is PSOK to trade, that wouldn't make sense to move it to each account for only 5 10% CSS

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited
SheepPB

[quote=OrionTempest]Tempest Scrolls would be cheaper, but Diligence doesn't affect anything that isn't a regular 10/60%.[/quote]

Positive that diligence doesn't affect the 20% tempest scrolls?

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited
Deadly1337

+10% scroll success is not what you think.
if you have a 60% scroll with max diligence, it adds 10% to the 60%, meaning it becomes a 66% chance, not 70%
bit confusing, but ye = just save your mesos and buy a pre-scrolled one, scrolling items just is far too expensive for players to do now.

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited
mikeandike

[quote=Wiggah]Assuming that the 20%s from the event are the same as pinks. If so...
It'd cost you atleast 150k nx+ for protection scrolls, about 150-200m for the scrolls (depending on how much they are in your world), atleast 50k nx for the CS WS's.
so all together with 1:55 nx ratio, 11.2b mesos.[/quote]

I'm talking about the 20% Scrolls that don't boom.

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited
RicoTheMapler

If it's 500 mil per scroll

Then the 20% scrolls may be cheaper
I only say may because the chances of you to miss are greater
Also remember the 50% do +7 att
And 20% do +5 attack +3 all stats

From me just looking at it since each scroll has a 90% chance to miss(Because I'm pessimistic like that)
You'd need more slot protection. but you could also farm for clean slates and hope you hit with 5% to get a slot back.

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited
ShadowWigWig

In the time it took you to make this thread you could have solved this with your third grade math skills and a calculator.

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited
OrionTempest

Tempest Scrolls would be cheaper, but Diligence doesn't affect anything that isn't a regular 10/60%.

Reply December 12, 2012 - edited