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[quote=darkspawn980]@darkmonkey13: here is the biggest kicker, there's a 130 accessory set, and when mixed with the 140 equip set, you get... well:

i don't know how to feel about this, check this out, the number is the dex each of these items give:

25 Lionheart Battle Helm
07 Lionheart Battle Cape
16 Lionheart Battle Bracers
15 Lionheart Battle Boots
20 Lionheart Partisan
20 5 item lionheart bonus

03 Rising Sun Face Paint
04 Rising Sun Earrings
06 Rising Sun Ring
16 Rising Sun Pendant
10 Rising Sun Belt
20 5 item Rising Sun bonus

you know how much dex this adds? 162 motherpineappleing dex equipping these two sets on their own gives almost enough dex to equip themselves, you fall just 8 short, 4 dex short actually if you count the base and not being level 195+, and 26 over the required dex if you count the jump update skill.

did i mention you can pick wether you want the lionheart overall (30 dex, and completes the 6 set effect) or a bottom/top for the extra potential?[/quote]

TY ive been telling my buddies this because theyve been going crazy over "cheap" psb's for their current/future charas

[quote=Yaaarghly]The lv 130 pa is fast 5 with only 106 att...[/quote]

106 attack is a lot for a fast weapon.

AAAAAND....

the level 140 polearm is fast 5 with 122 w.attk, you read this right.

@Xexso: I am referring to the period just after the Halloween event, sorry for any confusion.

[quote=Spearbby]^ No, the 170 dex needed for the 140 set is a major killer here. Most people will stick to PSB simply because of it's speed and its no-dex requirement[/quote]

debatable, the amount of secondary stat obtainable from sets and such is massive, a set consisting of 5 items, of which the only one painful to replace will be the htp/chtp gives a total of 93 dex, if you equip all of them. and you can still equip a helm, mask top/bot shoes glove and cape.

not saying it will become ezpc, but it will be easier for those that work hard to get the equips.

Reminds me of the halloween event...
"Zombie Rings will never be over 1 mil. Nearly everyone has at least 4"
A few months later, I looked at my mule full of zombie rings and the rings selling for 5 mil each in the stores and said, "Orly Nao?"

easy to get so +20% polearm scrolls ....
thats what going to happened to psb

what is PSB?

@darkmonkey13: here is the biggest kicker, there's a 130 accessory set, and when mixed with the 140 equip set, you get... well:

i don't know how to feel about this, check this out, the number is the dex each of these items give:

25 Lionheart Battle Helm
07 Lionheart Battle Cape
16 Lionheart Battle Bracers
15 Lionheart Battle Boots
20 Lionheart Partisan
20 5 item lionheart bonus

03 Rising Sun Face Paint
04 Rising Sun Earrings
06 Rising Sun Ring
16 Rising Sun Pendant
10 Rising Sun Belt
20 5 item Rising Sun bonus

you know how much dex this adds? 162 motherpineappleing dex equipping these two sets on their own gives almost enough dex to equip themselves, you fall just 8 short, 4 dex short actually if you count the base and not being level 195+, and 26 over the required dex if you count the jump update skill.

did i mention you can pick wether you want the lionheart overall (30 dex, and completes the 6 set effect) or a bottom/top for the extra potential?

You know that some scrolls have a chance of exploding an item right?

[quote=Yaaarghly]Yea xD I doubt it'll be a quick mass inflation either... Most people will have gotten a psb during the event while they are still cheap... Inflation generally takes time in ms but mass inflation requires some game changing cash shop item (eg. miracle cubes). I'm banking on them deflating until the event is over then slightly inflating with chaos and begin to slowly rise up until the warrior jump where they should peak. Afterwords, time usually incurs inflation as meso value decreases...[/quote]

I just want one for the sake of having lol. I have an aran i COULD put it on if i get one...but i quit it because i didn't want carpal tunnel syndrome =/

[quote=Yaaarghly]Look at the reverse sets or von leon sets... Most people don't use them (aside of a few equips from the set) because they require such high base stats/ can be out done by more commonly sold % equips/ are hard to obtain. Psbs will deflate until the event is over. Then they will gradually inflate and probably peak with the warrior jump (as chaos is too soon after the event so don't expect too much of a quick profit...)[/quote]

yeah thats what im beginning to think too. they will gradually inflate as is what happens with many items during events...but i dont think its going to be a quick inflation like people are expecting it to be...i expect a deflation for at least a lil while. we also have to take into consideration that many of them will perish from failed scrolling (sadface), so the supply will drop gradually as well... contributing to inflation...

with the set thing...van leon and such are hard to obtain...its more of an aspect of capability to obtain them rather than demand. there are plenty of people that would get them if they could get them...at least in chaos they will have more options to obtain the sets. the demand for sets would raise if they could actually obtain them without 567868957676759867596 years of struggle.

[quote=gamemage3]Honestly, I don't see the point of arguing with you guys anymore. All you guys do is post exceptions that don't prove anything. I can say 10 att wgs, % equips, and other stuff rose in price. Due to inflation, prices of most items rise automatically.

50% prices rose because they are a consumable item, and in very high demand. So there was a quick shortage.
Zombie ring prices rose because you need 4 of them for a complete set, and all maplers can use them, so they are also in high demand.
Evolving ring prices have not even rose yet, you can buy the same stuff as before no matter what time you sold your ring at.

PSB, very high supply, and demand drops quickly. Once somebody gets a PSB, there's no point of getting another one. Even if an aran was crazy, and each high-leveled aran on average used up 10 PSB on a scrolling spree, there will still not be a shortage of PSB. Also only high-leveled arans can use them.

The main difference between the items you guys are posting here, and PSB is that 100% of the maple population can use rings or whatever scrolls, while only 3% or less of the maple population will use the PSB.

Also I'm going to hoard a lot of PSB just because its the only good thing in the event right now. But I don't expect to make billions from it like 20%s will.[/quote]

What he said. plus ya know...i still find them to be obsolete a lil bit down the road in chaos....the demand for them is gonna fall...people will be too busy trying to upgade to new stuff and checking out the new content for a while. theyll have no goals and objectives related to the new stuff >_> high supply from hoarding but low demand = deflation...
especially since the new stuff comes in sets will also attract them to trying to obtain the new items...lol...

but of course no one knows as we cannot tell what is going to happen...but im still sticking to deflation.

edit: but ya, if i take the band wagoners into consideration, the demand will indeed rise a lil more, so i can see the viewpoint from both directions. but thats only until they realize that they now have carpal tunnel....then the demand will drop again lol just like when arans came out :O

Honestly, I don't see the point of arguing with you guys anymore. All you guys do is post exceptions that don't prove anything. I can say 10 att wgs, % equips, and other stuff rose in price. Due to inflation, prices of most items rise automatically.

50% prices rose because they are a consumable item, and in very high demand. So there was a quick shortage.
Zombie ring prices rose because you need 4 of them for a complete set, and all maplers can use them, so they are also in high demand.
Evolving ring prices have not even rose yet, you can buy the same stuff as before no matter what time you sold your ring at.

PSB, very high supply, and demand drops quickly. Once somebody gets a PSB, there's no point of getting another one. Even if an aran was crazy, and each high-leveled aran on average used up 10 PSB on a scrolling spree, there will still not be a shortage of PSB. Also only high-leveled arans can use them.

The main difference between the items you guys are posting here, and PSB is that 100% of the maple population can use rings or whatever scrolls, while only 3% or less of the maple population will use the PSB.

Also I'm going to hoard a lot of PSB just because its the only good thing in the event right now. But I don't expect to make billions from it like 20%s will.

[quote=TheRebel]And what better items would those be?

and following your logic if we are getting them soon then psb's would cost just as much if were getting these "better items"

if your talking about the level 130 polearm its going to be hard to get so it wont affect psb cost very much.. and its also untradeable when equipped and requires a 4000 nx psok to trade it
http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/204163/0/Agares_bloody_pole_arm.html

@above accidently copy/pasted the same link three times

http://www.ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14379 this is from 6/1/2011[/quote]

Fine, ima go out and say it since no one else is gonna. ITS UGLY AS HELL at least get a cover for it if your going to waste all your money

I'm just going to get like 30 PSBs, and just see what happens......

Either through bare farming or buying if the prices really do drop that low

And what better items would those be?

and following your logic if we are getting them soon then psb's would cost just as much if were getting these "better items"

if your talking about the level 130 polearm its going to be hard to get so it wont affect psb cost very much.. and its also untradeable when equipped and requires a 4000 nx psok to trade it
http://www.basilmarket.com/show/screen/204163/0/Agares_bloody_pole_arm.html

@above accidently copy/pasted the same link three times

http://www.ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14379 this is from 6/1/2011

[quote=TheRebel]Same event we had hear happened in kms

http://www.ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13811
http://www.ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13811
http://www.ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13811

3 recent threads in a KOREAN maplestory forum still showing psbs cost as 10m long after there event.[/quote]

They also have all that new stuff we are soon getting...they became obsolete so the value dropped. people dont realize that its getting replaced with better items lol

[quote=BrianShao]@therebel EMS had an EXPLOIT where people had hundreds/thousands. We don't have one yet...(and I hope we don't ever have one for PSB's). Also if i remember correctly, you EMS barely had that event.. its only been like a couple weeks, a month at max. wait a couple more months it'll go back up[/quote]

Same event we had hear happened in kms

http://www.ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14379
http://www.ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13811
http://www.ellinforest.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13742
3 recent threads in a KOREAN maplestory forum still showing psbs cost as 10m long after there event.

After chaos, it will be obsolete anyways...

well first right now arans are unmakeable so after this event there will be more demand and like anything the price will go up and your a noob for thinking it wont

I agree with the topic starter.. there are tons of these boards some servers even have them for as little as 30m..

In ems i believe they had the same event and there purple snowboards are less than 10m and this is months later.. and there are still clean ones.

All you people that are going to hoard them... its not gonna do much

ive opened like 200 chests and not a single psb.. how do people get so many?

trust me if mesos drop in value to 2bil for a gfa60% then at that point I will do subanis on each new character just use clean equips and have enough mesos to kite off of for pots till 200 where I will then make alt accounts just to hax on for dupin and just scroll me own stuff...ITS LIKE TEH FALLOUT OF MAPLESTORY!

They will rise in price, trust me.

The reason evolving rings never really spiked in price is because none were being destroyed(forget the few that get randomly NPC'd). There will always be a set amount of rings in the economy. PSB's are different in that they can easily explode because of dark scrolls, enhancements, or potentials. Once this event is over, the set amount of PSB's will be fixed, but only when one person booms a surfboard does the demand increase higher.

Boards go boom. Prices go up. Give it a while to sink in with the economy. Eventually, things are going to balance out, but, granted, it will never be the same.

What about all the perma beginners, they would probably use them too. =O

[quote=mrsinna]It's funny how the super funded TS is giving us a class on economics.

TS is wrong because people will make arans and blow up the boards. It's still quite a rare item hence it being 100m at least. If the supply was that great they would surely be 10m or less no?[/quote]

No, because the demand is too high atm. If there was no demand of snow boards, they would drop to nothing.

The definition of real value means how much of a good you can trade for another good. Mesos is just a means for trade. The real value is what matters here, not the meso amount. This is the real illusion that many people face. If you have 2bil mesos, you are not rich if a GFA 60% costs 2bil.

The real value increase of many items are acually a lot lower than people would like to believe. Usually only consumable items, like scrolls will increase dramatically. Other items, like equips, will rise VERY slowly in real value.

this is a limited time item. and the drop rates are random. i haven't see many in FM but i'm sure there will be more with all the botters getting those crystal chests. the price will eventually go back up after the event ends since this the best weapon for dk and arans. limited supply with new character creation will cause greater demand making the price go up.

They'll be so cheap that a lot of people will get them.
Every aran/drk will have one.
90% of them are gonna scroll them like crap.
some are gonna explode.

I think most of you guys are confused with real prices and inflation rates. Zombie rings, evolving rings, etc. all rose in price because of mostly inflation, not because of a real price increase. Just look at onyx apples, GFA 60%. Those nearly doubled in a year. Other items have tripled and quadrupled.

The meso value of a PSB may rise above 100mil but it won't be the same real value as 100mil today, due to inflation.

Also to the person with 25 evolving ring II, how many GFA could you get back then with 1 evolving ring II. Maybe 10 - 12 of them. Now how many GFA can you get with 1 evolving ring II? Still around 10 - 12. Your evolving rings have not risen in comparison to other prices.

Because PSBs will never explode from dark scrolls.

[quote=gamemage3]Evolving rings are very different. The supply was much lower ( due to the difficultly of some players to stay on for 17 days ) Also the demand was much higher, as all jobs needed them. For PSB, basically anybody can get 5 during the event, and only about 1/10 of the maple population needs it.[/quote]

also you can explode boards
people will boom them
i would bet the prices go up (not way up) a while after the event

Translation: Zombie rings are so easy to get. They will never get over 1M in price because of how many there are.

[quote=Fryman]like the price of evolving rings never rose rite?
prices will raise, just not as much as they used to be[/quote]

Evolving rings are very different. The supply was much lower ( due to the difficultly of some players to stay on for 17 days ) Also the demand was much higher, as all jobs needed them. For PSB, basically anybody can get 5 during the event, and only about 1/10 of the maple population needs it.

Scrolls go boom. Players go quit.

like the price of evolving rings never rose rite?
prices will raise, just not as much as they used to be