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[quote=Nhil]I hate when people say no one is forcing you to play it or if you don't like it then quit.
As players (customers) of Nexon we all have a right to voice our opinion and they have the duty to listen.
It's the players that keep this game going not Nexon with us there will be on Maplestory just a bunch of dead servers and pixels sitting around.
There are a lot of people who grew up playing this game and it actually has some sentimental value to them.

By, Nexon refusing to support the less funded players they are killing 60% of their population right there and sure it doesn't show up in their revenue but in the long run it'll show up and already has started to show up. I've noticed that Maplers come in three types, the kind that refuse to spend any money at all (30%), the kind that occasionally will buy a 25k card (30%), and those who go to town spending $100+ a week/month (the remaining portion of the population). Nexon only supports those who constantly buy Nx because those are the ones that bring them the most revenue.

You say, if you can't solo a boss then just make a party well let me tell you most people would rather find an overly funded guy to take them to a boss instead of creating a party of average joes. Nexon has indirectly drilled it into our heads that we should just grab a godly attacker, I mean look at the LHC, HoH & SDH parties; they consist of one or two godly attackers and 4 leechers.

Things have to change or this game will die far before it was suppose to.[/quote]

Yo. Dude. yeah you. No one is forcing you to play. Shut up.

It's the first patch guys. Big Bang was an utter crapfest at first too.

Give it time. More than likely, players will get buffed. At least we have a free form of cubing now.

It's not an issue anyway. This game has become far too easy. I can solo HT in 30 minutes with no issues at all on character I didnt spend any money on. Oh God, you'll have to play in a party again? It's the end of the world.

[quote=batonrougegoon]actually you dont? You just make parties ? Were talking about solo'ing. If they ruined the game who cares? No one is forcing you to play. If your forcing yourself to play a game you don't even like your gonna hurt your heart and more dangerously your Brain.[/quote]

I hate when people say no one is forcing you to play it or if you don't like it then quit.
As players (customers) of Nexon we all have a right to voice our opinion and they have the duty to listen.
It's the players that keep this game going not Nexon with us there will be on Maplestory just a bunch of dead servers and pixels sitting around.
There are a lot of people who grew up playing this game and it actually has some sentimental value to them.

By, Nexon refusing to support the less funded players they are killing 60% of their population right there and sure it doesn't show up in their revenue but in the long run it'll show up and already has started to show up. I've noticed that Maplers come in three types, the kind that refuse to spend any money at all (30%), the kind that occasionally will buy a 25k card (30%), and those who go to town spending $100+ a week/month (the remaining portion of the population). Nexon only supports those who constantly buy Nx because those are the ones that bring them the most revenue.

You say, if you can't solo a boss then just make a party well let me tell you most people would rather find an overly funded guy to take them to a boss instead of creating a party of average joes. Nexon has indirectly drilled it into our heads that we should just grab a godly attacker, I mean look at the LHC, HoH & SDH parties; they consist of one or two godly attackers and 4 leechers.

Things have to change or this game will die far before it was suppose to.

[quote=batonrougegoon]@marilanna YOU SAY THIS CRAP YET I see level 30 noobs buying NX for FREAKING CLOTHES! THE GAME isn't all about damage. Some people see clothes more eye-candy than some numbers popping up from a monster.[/quote]

There are way more people that care about damage than people who care about what NX they have on.

@marilanna YOU SAY THIS CRAP YET I see level 30 noobs buying NX for FREAKING CLOTHES! THE GAME isn't all about damage. Some people see clothes more eye-candy than some numbers popping up from a monster.

[quote=batonrougegoon]I never spent 1000 on this game and still manage to do some good things. I have wasted $25 before. With that 25k nx I can hustle it to like 500mil+ or maybe 1bil. It's all a process of Hustling and grinding.[/quote]

Some people manage to do okay without spending a lot of money. But the majority of people spend a ton of cash to be strong.

[quote=marilanna]So you basically have to buy NX to "access the end game bosses."

... that's not old maple at all
They ruined the game with this patch. While higher funded people are given the challenge they crave, normal people are left in the dust with only two or three bosses available to them. What kind of fun is that?
The fact is that Nexon doesn't care about unfunded people - they're not bringing in any income for them anyways, so they're not worth holding onto.[/quote]

Mhmm, preach that truth gurl.

[quote=biantwmh]who said that im scared, im upset in many ways, because no matter what it will be bad. Hyper skills i mean, some of the hyper skills have 10m cap others have 20 30. if every skill can do 50m, then whats the point of hyper skills. and again Lv100 4th job and maxing out skills eariler doesnt effect your damage in the end. and i dont really think that anyone would have any point in secondary stat nowadays with all those all stats equips we have already[/quote]

Think about the passive hyper skill. The 20% attack bonuses and stuff on Raging Blow. Stuff that can easily get you hitting more than 999k. I'm just trying to inform you guys but if you guys wanna just back-down from this patch be my guest. Do what im doing. Don't complain just Shut-up and drive.

[quote=batonrougegoon]Dungeon Fighter= you need good gear to solo Kings or Hero in dungeons pass level 55+ (Try to solo Skasa's nest on kings with general gear, you will get messed up so badly)

Final Fantasy 7 online= (This game is all about the gear. If you don't have gear on this game you can't solo no boss pass the Vanhara region)

Dragon Nest= You can't solo even most Nests with general gear.

Alot of mmorpg's go by this. DN u need NX. DFO u need NX. FF7 is p2p and it's still hard![/quote]

DFO: They released Magic Sealed equipment. Not only Magic Sealed, but if you're running Otherverse, you actually get equipment from running them and they drop at a high rate. You get geared in DFO for practically free.

Dragon Nest: From my time with this game, it's worse than Maplestory with wallet humping. Not a fair comparison, just because that's how Nexon usually operates.

Vindictus: Perfect example. Though the game tends to be getting worse about gearing, they only require you to gear yourself for the absolute most recent raid bosses. As they patch the game more and more, more equipment becomes available to help you out with the burden of gearing yourself.

Mabinogi: You work for your gear in this game, and they make it challenging for you even despite the gear you wear. It's pretty balanced.

Point is, Maplestory patches in favor of people who spend ungodly amounts on the game. That would be fine if they at least threw the average people a bone that actually catches us up a decent amount. But they don't. They give the smallest, most ineffective ways of catching up with people with money.

[quote=biantwmh]and the other thing im upset is about the new damage cap and range thats all[/quote]

BUT YOU MUST UNDERSTAND! Hyper skills, Level 100 at 4th job means we can max out all of our 4th job skills now! Secondary stat removed! They make these things for the future y'know? Chill out, the patch won't be nothing to scary. If your scared of a Patch on maplestory don't play resident evil.

[quote=marilanna]So you basically have to buy NX to "access the end game bosses."

... that's not old maple at all
They ruined the game with this patch. While higher funded people are given the challenge they crave, normal people are left in the dust with only two or three bosses available to them. What kind of fun is that?
The fact is that Nexon doesn't care about unfunded people - they're not bringing in any income for them anyways, so they're not worth holding onto.[/quote]

Connections are also a way, but you'll need to have connections with the people with NX. o.o
I'm not worried that this patch will affect my own gaming experience because I have the connections I need, don't like bossing and am strong enough to function (I don't buy NX), but I don't like the effect this update will most likely have on the community. Jealousy, elitism, more illegitimacy...

[quote=marilanna]
The fact is that Nexon doesn't care about unfunded people - they're not bringing in any income for them anyways, so they're not worth holding onto.[/quote]

This is so true. They wouldn't have done this update if they did. They just don't know how many unfunded people would want to quit since they have no endgame content that is possibly available to them.

[quote=marilanna]So you basically have to buy NX to "access the end game bosses."

... that's not old maple at all
They ruined the game with this patch. While higher funded people are given the challenge they crave, normal people are left in the dust with only two or three bosses available to them. What kind of fun is that?
The fact is that Nexon doesn't care about unfunded people - they're not bringing in any income for them anyways, so they're not worth holding onto.[/quote]

actually you dont? You just make parties ? Were talking about solo'ing. If they ruined the game who cares? No one is forcing you to play. If your forcing yourself to play a game you don't even like your gonna hurt your heart and more dangerously your Brain.

[quote=batonrougegoon]Dungeon Fighter= you need good gear to solo Kings or Hero in dungeons pass level 55+ (Try to solo Skasa's nest on kings with general gear, you will get messed up so badly)

Final Fantasy 7 online= (This game is all about the gear. If you don't have gear on this game you can't solo no boss pass the Vanhara region)

Dragon Nest= You can't solo even most Nests with general gear.

Alot of mmorpg's go by this. DN u need NX. DFO u need NX. FF7 is p2p and it's still hard![/quote]

So you basically have to buy NX to "access the end game bosses."

... that's not old maple at all
They ruined the game with this patch. While higher funded people are given the challenge they crave, normal people are left in the dust with only two or three bosses available to them. What kind of fun is that?
The fact is that Nexon doesn't care about unfunded people - they're not bringing in any income for them anyways, so they're not worth holding onto.

This solution would've been a godsend....if everyone was more equal in terms of damage/funding.
Here's the problem. The introduction of potential, additional potential, and nebulite systems severely divided the maple population. With the majority of maplers possessing funds of less than a few bill, this change only fosters teamwork among the well funded.
They're just going to kick average funded players from the expedition if this difficulty is going to be applied in the real server, which leaves them with two options: Buy NX or merch like heck to get stronger, or don't boss at all.
But bossing is a huge aspect of any MMORPGs, and if one's arsenal bars them from fighting bosses other than regular Zakum and Horntail, what fun is it?
It's essentially an indirect way of Nexon forcing players to spend more money to be able to partake in this "teamwork."

It's not Pay2win anymore, its Pay2survive.

[quote=AllDayErryDay]This isn't about soloing. It's about the ability to do it at all, with or without a party.

Right now, I hit above 100k with my main bossing skill. That's considered under average nowadays. I can do up to Horntail, and with Horntail I need a party to kill it. After Horntail I'm not able to defeat any other bosses, even with a party. Chaos bosses, Pink Bean, and the other big bosses? Forget about it.

And as for bosses not being able to be killed by average geared people? Tell that to every other MMO. There's clearly some bosses that require you to gear up, that's fair. But in Maplestory, this pretty much equates to every boss past Horntail. Not to mention, other MMO's don't require you to gouge your bank account in the process of gearing up for said boss fights. In Maplestory, it's practically pay NX, or don't get geared up.[/quote]

Dungeon Fighter= you need good gear to solo Kings or Hero in dungeons pass level 55+ (Try to solo Skasa's nest on kings with general gear, you will get messed up so badly)

Final Fantasy 7 online= (This game is all about the gear. If you don't have gear on this game you can't solo no boss pass the Vanhara region)

Dragon Nest= You can't solo even most Nests with general gear.

Alot of mmorpg's go by this. DN u need NX. DFO u need NX. FF7 is p2p and it's still hard!

[quote=QuantumLegend]Why do people complain about bosses being hard? That's the whole point of it being a boss (correct me if I'm mistaken). They're not exactly meant for your average player to solo. I have high damage because I've worked my way up from nothing -- it should take some effort to take on bosses.[/quote]

This isn't about soloing. It's about the ability to do it at all, with or without a party.

Right now, I hit above 150-200k with my main bossing skill. That's considered under average nowadays, even though I literally spent upwards of 9+bil. I can do up to Horntail, and with Horntail I need a party to kill it. After Horntail I'm not able to defeat any other bosses, even with a party. Chaos bosses, Pink Bean, and the other big bosses? Forget about it. If I'm under average now, and can only do these bosses, imagine after the patch.

And as for bosses not being able to be killed by average geared people? Tell that to every other MMO. There's clearly some bosses that require you to gear up, that's fair. But in Maplestory, this pretty much equates to every boss past Horntail. Not to mention, other MMO's don't require you to gouge your bank account in the process of gearing up for said boss fights. In Maplestory, it's practically pay NX, or don't get geared up.

[quote=BlkTwitch]All Nexon will do is introduce another way to get stronger which will involve you spending thousands of dollars on NX. And the vicious cycle continues.[/quote]

I never spent 1000 on this game and still manage to do some good things. I have wasted $25 before. With that 25k nx I can hustle it to like 500mil+ or maybe 1bil. It's all a process of Hustling and grinding.

[quote=batonrougegoon]So KMS made bosses harder so that no one can kinda solo them anymore. Everyone was talking about how [b]E-Z P-Z Lemon squeezy the game was[/b]. Now since they buffed up the bosses and reduce the amount of EXP to level up so people wouldn't level quick anymore. Everyone is now like "R.I.P maple"?

Even though dmg has been increased to 50mil. It is highly recommended that 3/4 of maplestory players will not be able to hit that. I can't even hit 999,999. So the game is going to be quite the challenge for players like me [/quote]

All Nexon will do is introduce another way to get stronger which will involve you spending thousands of dollars on NX. And the vicious cycle continues.

[quote=QuantumLegend]Why do people complain about bosses being hard? That's the whole point of it being a boss (correct me if I'm mistaken). They're not exactly meant for your average player to solo. I have high damage because I've worked my way up from nothing -- it should take some effort to take on bosses.[/quote]

True. Boss battles aren't suppose to be easy. Ever played SaGa Frontier? That game had some insanely hard bosses. You would have to spend hours and hours of grinding your characters just to fight 1 boss. Then you would lose again after all your hard work. That's what made me wanna quit. I guess that what the maplers want. A easy game so they don't wanna quit. They keep saying the game is easy but deep down they love how easy the game is. I'm talking about all the hardcore level 200 people with the insane gear.

Why do people complain about bosses being hard? That's the whole point of it being a boss (correct me if I'm mistaken). They're not exactly meant for your average player to solo. I have high damage because I've worked my way up from nothing -- it should take some effort to take on bosses.

I said this in my own thread but, it's because the game is evolving around a small percentage of the community, while the biggest portion of the community is left in the dust.

They do small things to kind of "Help out" the poorer maplers, but they do HUGE (and mostly game breaking) stuff for the insanely geared. It's a nice gesture, and is welcomed that Nexon put in cubes that drop from bosses. But this is one small thing that is only going to help them out so much. Then you look at what they did for people who already hit max. Boom, now you have the ability to (and likely will) hit a 2 million range in your stat page. Now you can (and likely will, once they make ways to) hit 50 times the damage you used to thanks to the new 50 mil damage cap.

Not to mention, they buffed bosses that people with average range already struggled with, even in parties.

Because they are too hard.

In any case, I might agree that the game has gotten quite easy. Remember when we actually needed parties to own zakum? Yea, when people actually talked to each other [i]outside[/i] of the FM.
This [i]is[/i] an MMO (massive [b]multiplayer[/b] online).

[quote=ImGonnaShoot]I'm scared of how big the difference between unfunded and funded people will become.[/quote]

It's not like unfunded people will be weak weak. Don't forget KMS has things GMS doesn't. 4th job level 100, hyper skills, the new random equipment thing that was posted today.

@lukeman1884 same goes for you to

The problem is that now you pretty much need godly gear to stand a decent chance against bosses. Me and my friends are relatively unfunded, and we have fun coming together and doing bosses once in a while. Now, we're not gonna be able to do that.

[quote=ImGonnaShoot]I'm scared of how big the difference between unfunded and funded people will become.[/quote]

why r u scared?

[quote=AnmolxD]You must be new to maplestory[/quote]

You must be new to life.

Just 12 year olds who think they're cool by foreshadowing the end of a game. Every little thing they dislike - they think they represent the whole of the maple community.
Don't worry about it, just keep playing your game.

the game wasn't to easy for me, and now they made it harder for the majority of the population because some godly people were whining how the game was so easy.

yay.

I'm scared of how big the difference between unfunded and funded people will become.