General

I love my shad regardless. I plan to lose my 200-ginity with this thing, no matter what they do to it.

I started with a shadower and im going to end with a shadower

nuff said

Looks like I'll be making a Hayato for some assaulter skill.

I just got back to playing my Shad recently, and I have no problem whatsoever in stopping Nate's final attack. It's not hard to control.
I still use MC to attack if I feel like generating a buttload of coins and exploding it. Whether it's stronger than Nate, I don't know. I just still enjoy that aspect of being a Shad.
I miss Assaulter a lot though. I still have a habit of pressing the "A" key (where Assaulter was) when I'm in mid FJ trying to get to the next plat.

The worst parts are:
1. Phase Dash completely makes me lose control of mt Shad in LHC.
2. Assaulter is gone! Though I never tried it, it looks like a non-cooldown Final Cut from Dual Blades that you can cast in mid-air and can go THROUGH stuff!

I always thought Assassinate was cool, but I really don't use it that much.

Sure, it's a great attack. Sure, it's one of our main 1v1 moves. And sure, that's the only skill I hit max with.

I just don't like spamming.

[quote=JaydenVo]for Shadowers*

Pointless rant that will most likely be very insignificant to your life. I suggest you leave while you can.

People repeatedly say that Shadowers will have better dps after this patch because of Assassinate, but I really wish that wasn't the case lol. The reason I wanted to make a Shad back in the day was to use Savage Blow. It was pretty badass before all the new classes came along anyhow
I think MC was meant to be our main attack, but it is overpowered by Nate. I know it's a bit ironic that I'm complaining about us having a stronger attack lol, but bear with me. I personally really dislike using Nate, but I do anyway since it's our best skill. You have to use DS to get the best damage, which gets really annoying as it slows down the attack and you sometimes get stuck in DS mode after the attack fails. It also doesn't add Body Count, which is near useless to most of us for the more powerful move since we hit max, but we need it for Shad Shifter (which has a short duration). And unless you do something to stop it, it will do that annoying lunge at the end of every attack. Overall, it decreases our mobility in battle and I don't like the feel of the skill. I made a Shad to see a screen full of lines lol inb4 "make a db"
I get that I don't have to use the skill, but what else can I do? lol. Our damage has already fallen behind as it is.

This is simply a personal preference though lol. Thoughts?
Accepting flames btw[/quote]

This has more value than a majority of the rants on this site.

But onto your point. I completely agree, but I think that this problem was present earlier when Thieves got revamped. I feel as if that's where Shads started to lose their fun in my eyes. Before, they had a great set of skills that allowed for a large array of flexibility when it came to attacking. It was really quite fun.

But it seems that Nexon geared the revamp to make Shads more of a one-skill-maximum-dps class. Or rather, one combo? Before, you had a plethora of different combinations of skills to play with, and that allowed for great, dynamic gameplay.
After the revamp, it was BStab + Steal or BStab + MC.

Phase Dash was neat, but it could hardly replace the versatility of Assaulter.

I feel as if Unlimited will only dumb the class down further: Shads will only be spamming Nate. There goes all that versatility and the dynamic quality that made the class unique and fun to play.

Overall, I think Shads are slowly becoming less and less fun as Nexon starts shaping the class into a "spam one skill" class. It doesn't help that the new buffs are slower and as a result my Shad just feels slower and more cumbersome and more boring as a result.

:c

@LibTech: Cut the sky and make it bleed, yea? xD
I would still take Assaulter over SB any day

[quote=LibTech]SB looked amazing, im sure everyone taht made a shad made it for SB. best looking skill ever. miss those days.[/quote]
I made a bandit for savage blow, became a CB for assaulter, shadower for boomerang step.

What you're saying is that you dislike assassinate because it's not similar to MC?

Yea, go play a db.

People seem to forget in the old days, meso explosion was a bigggg part of boss runs O_O

[quote=LibTech]@KyuGuy
SB looked amazing, im sure everyone taht made a shad made it for SB. best looking skill ever. miss those days.[/quote]
I KNOW RIGHT.

[quote=KyuGuy]You made a Shad for SB and not Assaulter? @___@
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I miss it [/quote]
I don't even wanna get into that topic ):

@nathan724: I think you're crazy if you don't like it There's nothing more satisfying than meso explosion.

You made a Shad for SB and not Assaulter? @___@
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I miss it

[quote=nathan724]i am not a fan of the coins and meso explosion. pickpocket and explosion could be replaced with passive or active buffs and make shadower compare better to a db. pickpocket, the delay on boomerang stab, and meso explosion are the main reasons i chose db over shadower.[/quote]

You make me siiiiiiiiiick. Blowing up money is, has been, and will continue to be a defining feature of chief bandits/shadowers. It's one of the reasons I chose the class and they wouldn't dare change such a core mechanic. Even if it's hard to set up against moving bosses, at least some stationary bosses still exist.... yay zakum. And by the delay of boomerang stab do you mean the i-frame? I rather like that part of the skill

[quote=nathan724]half the stuff you said was not even accurate at all. you called snipers mobile tank, both are completely inaccurate.[/quote]
So snipers aren't mobile? Is that what you're saying? Double jump and passive speed boosts say hello.
I already said that "tank" was meant in relative terms. I.e., relative to how they used to be. Just look at how much HP they've gained since their last major update. As a ranged class, having that much HP is superfluous and only dumbs the class down.

[quote=nathan724]i am not intimidated[/quote]
Telling people to chill out makes you seem intimidated by them.

[quote=nathan724]I do not think you play this game past lv 100.[/quote]
Okay.

@JaydenVo: Bleh, I'm going blind, I misread what he wrote. A pointless squabble for nothing

@iDivideZer0: you said he chose Shadower because of meso explosion and pickpocket. That's false. He did the complete opposite.
Are people not allowed to be interested in other classes? It's the reason he commented on the thread in the first place. He likes shads for the reasons he likes DBs, but DBs have more attack buffs. Simple as that.

@DogDontMeow: Read the post. It is our best 1v1 skill, so I'm obviously gonna use it. It's hard enough to do good damage as it is.

@sinful7sins: You have a point there, sorry bout that then, got too caught up in "class pride" i guess. I haven't seen much people who enjoy more than one class, it's usually "ZOMG THIS CLASS IS DA BOMB ALL OTHERS SUCK" kind of thing.

@iDivideZer0 i like my DB more than my shad, doesnt mean i dont show interest in my shad tho. everyone has an oppinion, its a forum for a reason

@JaydenVo: Okay then, so he likes DB more. If what you say is true, then he has already made the choice of DB over shad. Having done this, shad would be out of his interest, so why would he would complain about shad if he likes DB more? The fact that he gave his own personal opinion about shad means that he has some interest in the class.

What is the meaning of his concern over a class that would have been a second nature to him?

@JaydenVo has a point, dont get why you cant wrap your mind around that @iDivideZer0

[quote=iDivideZer0]@JaydenVo: "pickpocket, the delay on boomerang stab, and meso explosion are the main reasons i chose db over shadower."
He chose a shad too[/quote]
He doesn't like pickpocket and meso explosion. Therefore, he likes DBs more.

@JaydenVo: "pickpocket, the delay on boomerang stab, and meso explosion are the main reasons i chose db over shadower."
He chose a shad too

@iDivideZer0: "I chose db over shadower"
He chose DB o_0

Shadowers do have stance, it's just built in Assassinate. You just have to hold the key down, but of course no one does that, that's just silly.

[quote=nathan724]i did make a db because it is stronger. shadower do not have enough buffs that increase dmg, do not have enough avoid, do not have stance or a drain skill, do not have a strong 1v1 or mob skill to use with boomerang stab till assasinate just replaces mc and bstep after unlimited.

shadower would not be copying db they would be moving away from meso explosion and coins and more towards dagger and shadow skills. the coins are just annoying in my opinion and could be replaced with better skills that would make shadower more powerful.[/quote]

Then explain to me exactly why you said you chose shad because of pickpocket and meso explosion?

[quote=nathan724][b]"pickpocket, the delay on boomerang stab, and meso explosion are the main reasons i chose db over shadower."[/b][/quote]

If being a stronger class, having more buffs to increase damage, having a high avoid, having stance or drain and having a strong 1v1 is what you want, then just stick to your DB and stop complaining about how shad isn't as "amazing" as DB.

[quote=nathan724]i never said shadower dont use boomerang stab wth mc. i was saying they dont use assasinate to boss. what are you talking aboutO.o. you were not talking about unlimited. you said midnight carnival was not meant to be the 1v1 skill for shadower, even though it has been for about 6months now. assasinate is not shadowers 1v1 skill until the unlimited patch.

@carbunion your being overly dramatic, it is strong but not that strong lol.

[b]i am not a fan of the coins and meso explosion[/b]. pickpocket and explosion could be replaced with passive or active buffs and make shadower compare better to a db. [b]pickpocket, the delay on boomerang stab, and meso explosion are the main reasons i chose db over shadower.[/b]

db have more useful skills overall vs a shadower. you can see this when you compare their skills from 1st-4th.[/quote]

lolwut
-Hates meso explosion and coins
-picked shad because of meso explosion and pickpocket

Why would you want to take out meso explosion, the "meso-system" is what pretty much makes up a big chunk of the shadower class, it keeps us unique compared to the other classes like DB, if you take out ME and add passive skills, that's pretty much making a DB, then why not make a DB instead?

For the people saying that ME trumps everything even when you have a crazy range, does this hold true even considering that ME doesn't seem to proc toxic venom? I guess you could throw a few MC's in to keep it ticking but if you blew up coins long enough it would stop doing the extra damage. I'm not saying you aren't right I'm just wondering

@ProBlades: I just prefer one shadower skill over another shadower skill. As of right now, MC has the potential to be our best 1v1 when funded well. After Unlimited, every shad's best 1v1 will and always will be Nate. Before fourth job came around, SB and ME were the original 1v1. Those both are fast, repetitive skills, and I think THAT'S how Shadowers were meant to be. I like that playstyle, not spamming what seems to me like a "final hit" skill.

@inemnitable: Whether MC was meant to be our main attack or not, I think it should be. It would be beneficial to us if it were so. Since we could use it to dish out damage as well as use Pickpocket at the same time, our DPS would improve. That is, if MC was as any bit as strong as Nate. Also, it is more fun to use and more Shadower-like in my opinion. This is all my personal preference however.

I like assassinate a lot. It's ninja-y.

[quote=nathan724]
@taotapp chill out you are overeacting. you just called a mm a tank... wtf?[/quote]
Relatively speaking, yes. They used to have very little HP; dying as a ranged class used to be easy if you weren't careful. Now their HP often goes well above 6,000.
I'm not overreacting at all. You're just intimidated by paragraphs.

Nate has always been a main shad skill since 4th job was introduced. I don't see how this is related to Unlimited. You just sound like you don't like Shad's playstyle. Go play a DB then.

[quote=taotapp]It bothers me that Nexon dumbs down their classes like this. They've done it to every class I've enjoyed.
I played an FP mage for a long, long time -- then they altered poison mist, made explosion-spamming the superior way to get through third job, and effectively ruined the class for me. Mist training, which required a fun amount of control, was forever ditched in favor of spamming explosion from a safe location.
I switched to my Sniper. Then Nexon boosted its HP, gave it a double jump, and let it attack up close! Where's the need for stealth, for puppet, for strategy, when you're a mobile tank?
Then Imade a Dark Knight, and Nexon gave them Dark Impale, which trumped every other attacking skill ever. Now all I do on my Dark Knight is spam Dark Impale.

I thought my Shadower was safe -- and in a way, it will be. As others have mentioned, I don't [i]have[/i] to spam nate. But spamming a single skill will still be the best option, and it's annoying that that is the case for this class, and for so many other classes. What does Nexon have against depth?[/quote]

I do believe they took the fun out of ME,BoT, and Assaulter.

@taotapp: My point exactly. What I like about shads is the more complex gameplay and strategies. When all you do is spam Nate, it takes away that aspect of the class. The fast and repetitive skills are what made shads unique in the first place, but I seldom use them now. AND I still haven't reached a point in my funding where another skill replaces Nate.

It bothers me that Nexon dumbs down their classes like this. They've done it to every class I've enjoyed.
I played an FP mage for a long, long time -- then they altered poison mist, made explosion-spamming the superior way to get through third job, and effectively ruined the class for me. Mist training, which required a fun amount of control, was forever ditched in favor of spamming explosion from a safe location.
I switched to my Sniper. Then Nexon boosted its HP, gave it a double jump, and let it attack up close! Where's the need for stealth, for puppet, for strategy, when you're a mobile tank?
Then I made a Dark Knight, and Nexon gave them Dark Impale, which trumped every other attacking skill ever. Now all I do on my Dark Knight is spam Dark Impale.

I thought my Shadower was safe -- and in a way, it will be. As others have mentioned, I don't [i]have[/i] to spam nate. But spamming a single skill will still be the best option, and it's annoying that that is the case for this class, and for so many other classes. What does Nexon have against depth?

I wish MC was the main 1v1 skill for shads, It looks awesome and fun to use.

@arkdude11 The passive on Bstep increases MC's dmg to something like 157% in total, but even after unlimited when you can hit 100% crit on a shad it would still probably be impsosible to get it to do enough dmg to surpass nate ;x

@nathan724: Agreed. It would be better off as a final/ultimate attack. If anything, it should take the place of SR or something
@DarkQuill: Oops my bad always gettin' the two mixed up.

Nate spam is the "dominant strategy".
Just because the option is available doesn't mean it's the only option.

Also I believe you mean Instinct, not Shifter.

[quote=VolklRacerr]does unlimited come with xenon, or before?[/quote]

lol you bump ur own posts? Well, in kms unlimited came about a month before xenon did. However, knowing gms and how they love to prolong patches, its probably gonna come nearly the same time.

@VolklRacerr

I agree with you. I think that MC should be buffed up to like at least 140 - 150% dmg.

@nathan724 It is a great skill. I just wish MC was stronger and made our main 1v1 lol.

nate is the only skill that will have the damage equal or better than db's dpm. If you really want high damage and attack fast DB is the better choice, if you just want to play for fun, just use whatever you want.