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[quote=currified]Most of the i/ls I've met in the past are sort of arrogant. Then f/ps are the wacky ones.

Oh, you meant damage-dealing wise? If you want pure 1v1 I'd rather go for another class. To solo bosses on a mage it's average imo, not as outstanding as other classes though. We ARE useful at Arkarium though.[/quote]
This is so freaking true. Playing my F/P seems to bring out the wacky side of me hahaha

I see red 75 percent of the time I attack with chain lightning! Ils have certainly gotten stronger although you need better funding to take advantage of them otherwise with minimal funding, they are a pretty mediocre damage class.

All I gotta say is that I/L are cool and electric. Get it? <3

[quote=llparasitell]Int % are very easy to find, im not going to try and disprove you because all you need to do is hop in the fm.
all of what YOU and I are saying at this point, is just he said she said.

I can say exatly what you said to me earlier,
You told me that everything I found was probrably only ear rings.
Im going to say the same to you, Most of what you found are ear rings as well.

Theres no point in debating, anyone can tell that you are wrong, how?

Simple just log on and browse the fm.[/quote]

I browse the fm a lot, and the only time you'll see high %int items (I consider high 12%+) is when someone is quitting their mage. I cubed a 15% luk htp, and I tried to trade it for %int for a WHOLE month. The only replies I got were "I got 15% int on my htp but cubed it over..." Finding a %int shield, m.att and %int belt, 50% earring/10% earring m.att scrolls, and %int face accessories are hard enough. Every other class uses attack, so usually if someone chaoses a rsp/immortal belt/rsb, they're going to innocent it unless it gets some godly m.att. Sorry, but obtaining %int isn't as easy as you think unless you find a mage having a quitting sale.

@llParasitell

There ARE other int % items in the FM

1) They are rarer (generic items, czak, etc) than all the rest. Like someone said, why would you cube for int% when you can sell for more with other stats%?
2) Crafted items are common (belts and earrings), but how many pairs of earrings do you need?
3) DTM empress gear? People who take the time to cube those items are gonna use them for themselves. And if you EVER see one hit the market, let me tell you, it won't be cheap, and probably more expensive than their other class counterparts (DTM gloves scrolled for matk are more expensive, since gloves for matk scrolls are more expensive than GM gfas. And that's one example. Same thing with accessories with matk, compared to all those mass duped atk masks, earrings and whatnot, which you could buy for 10K NX)

So, no, I don't believe godly Int% gear is cheaper, nor is it more common. And like i said, godly is in the eye of the beholder. I don't consider myself godly, yet alot of people i meet do. But I do think that my gear is way above average, even if in your eyes, they only have 3 lines and 12% int.

They don't fit me as a job, but if people like 'em, so be it. I just dislike it when they complain to me about the balance issues between the Magician jobs while I'm on my Evan. Contrary to popular belief, Mir doesn't implement balance patches.

[quote=llparasitell]well firstly, I just looked around in the fm for about 3 mins and I already found
x2 9% int earings
1 6% int earings
1 6% int shoes
1 12 % int belt
1 6% int cape
and here you are saying that int equips are "IMPOSSIBLE" to trace, probably because you are just standing in the fm lobby looking at chat, if you actually go and browse at shops, % equipts are everywhere.

seccondly, Think about the word "godly" Godly does not mean just above the average joe, it means someone with far superior strength or even omnipotent, something or someone that wow you.
again, 15% on "SOME" equipts like shoulder, eye, face, ring but for the most part if its a regular % equipt like overalls,top,bottom,pendant,ring,shoe,belt, weapon,sheild

No, 15% is not even close to being "far superior"

If someone shows you a 15% int top, your jaw is not going to drop, its actually very common,
I think you are mis interpreting the definition of godly[/quote]

What exactly are you trying to establish? Many people have told you what the truth is but you keep denying it. I'm pretty sure that several Mages telling you about how they have a difficult time finding any equips in the FM proves my point. Especially since I doubt all of us would go out of our way to lie to you, since you seem to have so much experience playing Mages.

How about hopping into Bellocan, Demethos, Galicia, Elnido, Chaos, Zenith, Arcania, Mardia, Nova, Yellonde , and even khaini?

1) Getting higher then 9% on any equip besides earrings is pretty tough
2) I can't find a 3% cape in Galicia
3) Most people have to cube their own stuff since they want %int on DT equips.
4) Ask basically any mage, they will all give the same answer.

I personally think you got lucky finding those 15% earrings in the first place.

For your information, Dragon Tail mage equips are VERY common, just ones with potential aren't. Saying they are uncommon items in the first place makes you look like a fool.

[quote=xKlaudex]Yeahs we do.
Compared to Evans and BaMs we get less bang for our buck; Doesn't make us horrible damage dealers, it just makes it harder to be on par with other mages when it comes to funding.

Also, don't ever expect to hit DMG Cap with any single hit besides Blizzard. It's extremely hard since they broke up the skills into multi-hits.[/quote]

Uh no, we dont need massive funding to be DECENT.

[quote=seablackbird7]Do i/l need massive funding in order to be considered decent?[/quote]

Yeahs we do.
Compared to Evans and BaMs we get less bang for our buck; Doesn't make us horrible damage dealers, it just makes it harder to be on par with other mages when it comes to funding.

Also, don't ever expect to hit DMG Cap with any single hit besides Blizzard. It's extremely hard since they broke up the skills into multi-hits.

[quote=jidolboy]lol. You go find me %int Dragon Tail equips instead of listing mass produced earrings.
I browse FM in Windia everyday and there are barely %int equips except <12% earrings[/quote]

Not only mass produced earrings. Most of what he listed is crafted, therefore mass produced.

Besides, godly is in the eye of the beholder.

I don't consider myself godly with about 170% int, yet i only have 9-12% int on my equips. All unique 3 lined, and mostly sets, since set bonus are good end-game material if you're able to scroll/cube them yourself (Rising Sun, DTM).

I've almost never seen any rising sun or DTM items scrolled (cept chaosed) AND/especiially OR cubed selling in the FM.

And like what he listed, most mage gear i see for sale is crafted crap, and sometimes weapons (staves/wands).

[quote=Raiden]I don't see them that often, only the high level ones at scarlion or something.

I'd make one UA, but I don't know if they miss two rows of slots or just one.[/quote]

UA mages only miss out on one row of ETC slots. Except for the ETC inventory, UAs have the same number of slots as adventurer mages.

OT: I think I/Ls are quite strong now.

[quote=seablackbird7]are i/l mages usually accepted at LHC?[/quote]

You're kidding right. People dont care about what class, they care about level as long as they have hs in their pt.

With my eyes...
lol jk....

OT: Really fun, i love freezing monsters so they can't use magic attack on me

I don't see them that often, only the high level ones at scarlion or something.

I'd make one UA, but I don't know if they miss two rows of slots or just one.

I/L mages... Well. I've tried to make one at least 25 times and never got past 75, but that's just my personal issue. In actuality, they are the second strongest mage in 1 vs 1, are genuinely the strongest when there are 2-5 mobs out, since Battle mages and Evan's mobbing skills are slower than theirs, and F/P's are so hindered by the damage cap. They have the best mob control over any mage thanks to freeze, slow, and glacial chain, yet to some can be repetetetetetive, since Chain Lightning dominates the playstyle. If you take Evans out of the equation when comparing them to other mages, they're fairly balanced as damage-dealers in my opinion.

@Gestaltfox : I'm wacky? -devastated-

I know so many amazingly strong, dedicated and amazing I/Ls, it's not funny. Our community's one of the strongest in game, we bond over the weirdest things. It doesn't take much to do decent damage on a I/L and with that damage and it's extreme mobbing capability, I/Ls are really easily accepted into LHC and SH parties. Since our 1v1 is the same move as our mob... well go figure.

are i/l mages usually accepted at LHC?

Do i/l need massive funding in order to be considered decent?

@currified: That is exactly what I was thinking. Great minds think alike.

[quote=currified]Most of the i/ls I've met in the past are sort of arrogant. Then f/ps are the wacky ones.[/quote]

Most F/P's I've met in the past are arrogant. Then I/L's are the wacky ones.

ok how about the 1 vs 1?

[quote=seablackbird7]ok. so we are "the average class"?[/quote]

No, personally I classify an average class somewhere around the level of paladin. I/Ls and F/Ps I classify as above average classes with decent damage, decent survivability, and good mobbing.

ok. so we are "the average class"?

Decent damage dealers, mid-tier bossers. Very good mobbers, maybe even the best.