NLs have no avoid
Hi, I'm BigFatFob, and I'm here to rant about Mercedes Vs NLs
Whoever said that Mercedes don't have any survivability know absolutely nothing. For the past 3 czaks my mercedes friend and I have been duoing and so far the record of deaths is me 6 and my friend 0 -_-. I know we NLs have supposedly "high" avoid ability but that seems like such B.S, I've gotten hit with 1/1 to often and for some reason 1/1 can kill you when you have 1/1 hp too, sigh. Mercedes have a achilles and they're crazy at bossing T_T, why can't other classes like NLs/BMs/etc have that too. I know this is a rage thread so feel free to troll/flame, I'm just frustrated.
Edit: I've been informed that it's 0-7, not 0-6. Doesn't change much except the fact that it frustrates me more, but yea... helps toward my point.
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[quote=Suxy]No, we do not. I only have 5.2k hp at level 182 with no buffs and we have a skill that gives us high avoid. Which is only 25% chance of avoiding at level 10. Maybe Nexon should gives NL the skill mercedes had instead.[/quote]
Keep in mind this is my mercedes friend and the fact that he's trolling me for the sake of pleasure.
[quote=bluebomber24].......If Shifter is 45% for you guys and your Miss rate is similar to an Archers before any other boosts (being around 38%), then independent probability says that a NL has a 65.9% [(.45+.38)-(.45*.38)] chance to dodge an attack with max shifter. If this is the case, I can see why NL did not get any avoid boosts in the future. Its already high enough. However, I am not sure how you guys avoid stats work though, so that stat could be different.[/quote]
I have no idea ow it works either. As long as the Misses keep comin', I'm happy. xD
[quote=orangeking11]Shifter at 45% is fine to me. I'm more daredevil than most for sure though (I often tank reg Zak's body just for fun as we fight it. No wimpy Auto Pot too). xD[/quote]
.......If Shifter is 45% for you guys and your Miss rate is similar to an Archers before any other boosts (being around 38%), then independent probability says that a NL has a 65.9% [(.45+.38)-(.45*.38)] chance to dodge an attack with max shifter. If this is the case, I can see why NL did not get any avoid boosts in the future. Its already high enough. However, I am not sure how you guys avoid stats work though, so that stat could be different.
Bowmen classes in general have high avoidability (both natural and from skills), as well as all having skills that reduce damage by a certain percent, mercedes aren't an exception...
Actually BMs have an "achilles" type skill too. Elite puppet has 15% damage reduction when active.
In theory, NLs should have a lot more avoid than Merc, but Merc are far more likely to survive since 1/1 isn't an autokill.
[quote=ClricSakura]Oh that's nice to know. Maybe that 100 Luk I have is actually useful then
But like @BlueBomber24 said, with IS, we have a 65% chance of dodging an attack. All I ever see are "Miss, miss, miss"[/quote]
Shifter at 45% is fine to me. I'm more daredevil than most for sure though (I often tank reg Zak's body just for fun as we fight it. No wimpy Auto Pot too). xD
Night Lords and Shadowers used to be the kings of avoidability.. more Shads with their 40% Shifter vs NL's 30%. But then BB Happened and our title was banished. Now we have to rely on fast hands to pot or autopot pet or autopot+pro reflexes in case it misses. And our 45% Shifter :]
I'm fine, but I wouldn't mind if they increased shifter avoid rate to like 60%, and made Luk add tons of avoid on thieves, or give us some +% Avoid skill and whatnot.
[quote=orangeking11]I find surviving on a NL to be easy as long as you know what you're doing and put together a good team fit for the situation. It's just Mercs are an Easy Mode job made to improve Nexon's profits. xD
Edit: @ above: Luk adds avoid too. xD[/quote]
Oh that's nice to know. Maybe that 100 Luk I have is actually useful then
But like @BlueBomber24 said, with IS, we have a 65% chance of dodging an attack. All I ever see are "Miss, miss, miss"
[quote=DragunBaine]Yea, it's kinda sad whenever I go bossing and the only people who die are the night lords and bishops "who forget that magic guard exists" meanwhile, the mercs with our "oh so terrible" survivability always survive.
Maybe you're just unlucky. I'm sorry, but your queen cannot help you...[/quote]
I find surviving on a NL to be easy as long as you know what you're doing and put together a good team fit for the situation. It's just Mercs are an Easy Mode job made to improve Nexon's profits. xD
Edit: @ above: Luk adds avoid too. xD
[quote=Darkxcruxis][b]why can't other classes like NLs/BMs/etc have that too?[/b][/quote]
Whoaaa back up there. I Zak with my gf all the time. I'm a BM and she's a Mercedes. I get just as many misses as she does.
Doesn't your Dex contribute to your avoid? I would think Archer classes have more avoidability then NL's.
[quote=SashimiFTW]i was gonna say chakra, but then i realized ur a nl [/quote]
Charka will be deleted a few patches later, anyway.
you think that's unfair? what about us DrK's that had achilles, and then got it taken away!
[quote=SashimiFTW]i was gonna say chakra, but then i realized ur a nl [/quote]
Chakra would be so trash in his situation. xD
i was gonna say chakra, but then i realized ur a nl
I think if a BM has ePuppet out, 1/1 won't be as effective. At least I never had problems with that attack. Also a BM/MM with maxed Illusion step has a 65% chance of dodging an attack, I think we are just fine.
L>BB avoid <3
I had a similar thread on being 1/1'd.
http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2312332/1/Pap_in_Dojo_is_nearly_impossible.html
Isn't much to say to you. It's obnoxious. I'd love to have the auto hp/ mp heal mercedes have.
It's you :o! and Yeah I agree, I don't like playing on my NL anymore :o Mercs seem way more OP
[quote=karmamayne]What? Potting yourself after 1/1 counts as control?
Then im [b] legitly legendary godly with the control![/b]
I don't sign autographs.[/quote]
Fine then, I'll steal some of your hair when you'll be sleeping and sell it on e-bay.
My Merc never seems to get hit anymore.
That's why I love my Shad, 1/1 with Meso Gaurd leaves me at half HP
Okay... you guys are getting updated soon so I don't see the huge problem here... you want an achilles skill or what?
i feel your pain bro
Im pretty sure you, me and alot of other thieves would like the thief-like stuff that mercedes has to be taken away.
[quote=pokeystick1]Merc's bubble shield makes it so it can't be 1/1'd it's more like 33%hp/1mp[/quote]
That's the skill I was referring to, that's their achilles.
[quote=uoid]Should have HP washed.
@asiantayshaun I never knew Luck was a stat. I thought it was luk.[/quote]
I don't see how hp wash has anything to do with it. Regardless of hp, I will always be 1/1 when I get hit by Czak's skill. I have 13k hp with decent hb, that should suffice, but It doesn't.
[quote=uoid]Should have HP washed.
@asiantayshaun I never knew Luck was a stat. I thought it was luk.[/quote]
1/1 takes all of your hp.
Merc's bubble shield makes it so it can't be 1/1'd it's more like 33%hp/1mp
[quote=Abstraction]Um use potions RIGHT after you get hit? Are you sure your merced friend doesnt just have a better control?[/quote]
Czak seduces, during which pots cannot be used.
[quote=Abstraction]Um use potions RIGHT after you get hit? Are you sure your merced friend doesnt just have a better control?[/quote]
He said he is doing czak, which seduces you.
You can't pot when 1/1d while seduced.
Um use potions RIGHT after you get hit? Are you sure your merced friend doesnt just have a better control?
Or you're just really unlucky with a lucky friend?
Wow that sucks. Mercs need a nerf.