Nexon Volunteer banned - Timbervvolf
[b][i]EDIT: Due to the commotion in the comments, I was recommended to proceed future readers to the petition only. It states for future problems to be averted by allowing Nexon to provide reasoning and all of the appropriate evidence behind a ban, to aid with future wrongful bans. As far as Timberwolf goes, for the sake of him don't say anything negative. We don't want this thread going in the wrong direction. He deserves the respect, and whether you find he deserves the ban or not, he deserves the respect of all he's done for us besides the ban. Thanks. [/b][/i]
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I'm not sure if anyone posted about Timbervvolf either this morning or over the days of this event, but any Maplers who have been following the news through the Twitter community you would know that one of Nexon's biggest connections with the players (a player himself, who goes to school, still learning about life), who has helped many of the problems of the players inside and out with being a Nexon Volunteer, moderating the forums, and just being there when people need him. Tyler is a player just like anyone else, and he has been playing since the early stages (Beta I think). Here read his quote from his blog:
"MapleStory has been apart of my daily life for almost half of my entire life. I've met thousands of players, shared some never-forgetting moments that I've cherished, and made some amazing friends along the way. It also was the only thing that helped me through a rough time in my life when I dealt with depression and was suicidal. All of same values I have today that have made me a leader and friend to so many players were gained from MapleStory. But, I guess that all has come to an end."
So here's the point; one of Nexon's most higher-up players in the community, or should I say the biggest connection we have with Nexon, was banned because he unintentionally got involved with an exploit. Something that many people can't seem to avoid, anyway. If you want this game to NOT get worse, I suggest you do some action and help us bring back the man who helped all of us.
Here is a petition about an act for Nexon's ban system: (Yes, this is a very much REAL petition created by Southperry)
[url=http://www.change.org/petitions/nexon-america-reveal-your-evidence-against-banned-users-in-a-fair-review-appeal-system]http://www.change.org/petitions/nexon-america-reveal-your-evidence-against-banned-users-in-a-fair-review-appeal-system[/url]
Petition's goal - Reveal your evidence against banned users in a fair review & appeal system. (To Nexon)
Here is The Blue Corsair's post:
[url=http://blog.thebluecorsair.com/]http://blog.thebluecorsair.com/[/url]
Please keep this thread alive! And tell your friends to sign the petition! Nexon will heed it greatly as they hint it here: "You shall see soon."
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[quote=darklord666]Okay, then rather than have a misleading title and your entire thread emphasized on Timber, have it more generalized and supportive of those who do not deseve the ban. many maplers here have made it evidently clear that Timber does not deserve a lift on his ban because he abused multiple glitches. There should not be a double standard; If someone knowingly abuses glitches that could harm the game and the community, consequences should be taken seriously and measures to ensure a fair gaming experience for everyone should be established. Nexon has done that, and continues to try to please all their fanbase, so this thread should be closed.
No one can ever confirm another players ulterior motives when exploits are involved. He could have been greedy, perhaps not. For many maplers to confirm already that he had admitted taking advantage of the level 200 Beginner glitch, it does not surprise me that he may have done the same to another exploit, or multiples of others we aren't aware of. He tainted the benefit of the doubt and does not deserve this form of support.
Happy Mapling, and be sure to ask yourself really why signing this petition will make any difference for [b]everyone[/b] and not just the one player.
[b]Edit:[/b] For clarification, I do support the ideas to uplift bans on all innocent players, but I am not signing the petition if it means freeing Timber, he does not deserve it.[/quote]
Everything i would say and more.
+1
[quote=Kaiyzer]@turtlesgomoo:
This petition is not to unban Timber, it's to make Nexon change it's ways and alert players
to proof and reasoning as to why they were banned when they were.
If you don't support the unbanning of Timber that's fine but It would be the right thing to sign that petition because
many people are wrongfully banned and have no idea why.[/quote]
Okay, then rather than have a misleading title and your entire thread emphasized on Timber, have it more generalized and supportive of those who do not deseve the ban. many maplers here have made it evidently clear that Timber does not deserve a lift on his ban because he abused multiple glitches. There should not be a double standard; If someone knowingly abuses glitches that could harm the game and the community, consequences should be taken seriously and measures to ensure a fair gaming experience for everyone should be established. Nexon has done that, and continues to try to please all their fanbase, so this thread should be closed.
No one can ever confirm another players ulterior motives when exploits are involved. He could have been greedy, perhaps not. For many maplers to confirm already that he had admitted taking advantage of the level 200 Beginner glitch, it does not surprise me that he may have done the same to another exploit, or multiples of others we aren't aware of. He tainted the benefit of the doubt and does not deserve this form of support.
Happy Mapling, and be sure to ask yourself really why signing this petition will make any difference for [b]everyone[/b] and not just the one player.
[b]Edit:[/b] For clarification, I do support the ideas to uplift bans on all innocent players, but I am not signing the petition if it means freeing Timber, he does not deserve it.
Cheaters like him exemplify all that is wrong with MS.
I'm glad he and anyone else abusing the exploit were banned.
Personally i think everyone abusing a exploit should be banned no matter what. No mercy!
OH HEYYYY, I just realized this is somewhat of a political thingy. The politician lied, earned our trust, then got caught.
Woww...pretty cool.
Nexon...just...nexon...
[quote=2KLeaves]He spent days with Nexon's staff and they spent days investigating it further and further to conclude that his account was not mistakenly banned for getting involved with whatever this exploit did to get these people banned. But the determination from this confusion is enough to tell you that he had no idea, and was innocent. From personal experience I know that feeling. However, he was permanently banned and Nexon can't unban him... or at least, not now anyway.
@Samygxz85
Click on the petition link. There should be a section to the side of your browser page asking for your name and information. Enter that in and at the bottom should be a "sign" button. On mobile devices the sign button should be there on your screen clearly, and you will be prompted for your information after clicking. Hope I helped. [/quote]
Don't fret, even permanent bans don't last long. Just have to resubmit a ticket 2 months after you have been perm-banned and they'll send you a response a month later (3 month total ban) telling you your account would be released in 5-7 business days.
I believe an issue we have with Nexon is that they're money-hungry. If they hired more staff, they would be able to up hold fair appeals and review tickets are a quicker turn-over. Yes, they've got thousands of tickets to check out, but MapleStory's community has grown, along with Nexon's Revenue and as should their staff.
youll need at least a few thousand to make a point.
He deserves to be punished just as much as anyone else who abused this glitch.
Who is he?
[quote=Perreh]He used the exploit, knowing he COULD get banned, everyone knows that Nexon doesn't let off people lightly for finding beneficial flaws in the game.[/quote]
If he actually did the exploit, Then yeah he deserves the ban.
[quote=VictorXG]I support this because other than Tyler, many other ppl are getting banned at training for no reason...
I hope everything goes well, I was banned for no reason too for a month[/quote]
Tyler deserved the ban. He admitted to doing the lvl200 beginner exploit. Anyone else who did it deserves perm ban. If i had my way, i would chain ban them all.
I support this because other than Tyler, many other ppl are getting banned at training for no reason...
I hope everything goes well, I was banned for no reason too for a month
@2KLeaves: ok so if i put lets say my first name and any random last name, i put my email (one not related to maplestory or at least to my main account) and my real city outside north america, it will be ok?
this information isnt exactly public right?
sorry for asking so much questions but i wanna be safe and thanks for answering
@Samygxz85
I live in Canada. I put my info in there, but no it doesn't have to be real. The only real piece of information you would need are your email and country I would say. Fake your name if you please. The postal code and address would allow for mail. Fake it if you must lol. But it's probably just used for simple mail like a letter or something. Whatever results come about to someone like you who is just signing the petition with an optional message, you would be emailed the news.
@2KLeaves: do i need to use real personal information? and also what if i dont live in the usa?
[quote=Coldinside]I found the thread(False bannings Galore if anyone's interested) here's Girasol's stance on Tylers banning, a petition won't be very effective:
Also, you guys seem to be under the impression that we specifically targeted his account. He was caught up in all the other bans we processed that night, as fairly and anonymously as everyone else who was. We actually did not know he was banned until afterwards, when he contacted us. We triple-checked the rest of the bans as well, due to this - because we honestly thought there was an error as well. What if we had wrongly banned others? Seriously, it is a very sinking feeling...we always want to make sure that our bans are fair. We really would not have expected him to abuse an exploit.
[b]But we found that the bans were just, and we aren't going to break policy to release his account just because he's popular.[/b]
What's worse, he directly lied to us and abused our trust. That is the worst feeling in all of this.[/quote]
And Tyler has accepted the consequences.
I found the thread(False bannings Galore if anyone's interested) here's Girasol's stance on Tylers banning, a petition won't be very effective:
Also, you guys seem to be under the impression that we specifically targeted his account. He was caught up in all the other bans we processed that night, as fairly and anonymously as everyone else who was. We actually did not know he was banned until afterwards, when he contacted us. We triple-checked the rest of the bans as well, due to this - because we honestly thought there was an error as well. What if we had wrongly banned others? Seriously, it is a very sinking feeling...we always want to make sure that our bans are fair. We really would not have expected him to abuse an exploit.
[b]But we found that the bans were just, and we aren't going to break policy to release his account just because he's popular.[/b]
What's worse, he directly lied to us and abused our trust. That is the worst feeling in all of this.
[quote=turtlesgomoo]seeing as how mtssnowy was not unbanned despite having done nothing wrong, I'm skeptical as to what this petition will achieve[/quote]
He intentionally sold duped equips for profit, well aware of the consequences. Nonetheless, I agree with the others on this, this petition won't change anything, your bets bet is to spam forums and 1:1 support to annoying nexon. Hehe.
[quote=lisalala7]@2kLeaves, I think you might have a better chance of getting people to consider your cause and sign the petition if you remove it from the context which most people seem to be taking issue with- the notion that this guy ought to be treated differently because of the relationship he has with Nexon. Perhaps deleting and remaking your thread will deliver your message more efficiently.[/quote]
No I will just edit the thread.
He should stay banned. No second chances. There was a thread on SP regarding this and Nexon staff stated they triple checked and found out he was indeed abusing the exploit. Tyler did not deny using the exploit. In fact he tried lying to the staff by saying he abused it a "few times" but girasol from nexon staff brought out that he actually gained over 100 levels via exploit.
ah Tyler.
Nexon's false bans got annoying, the real bans are for the right reason at least.
I'll come back later. For Tyler.
[quote=sam205]There was so much talk about the level 200 exploit. If you Freakinging say he didnt know it was an exploit how did he find out? let him stay banned... if i get banned i wont complain. like people said he doesnt deserve special treatment when he did do something wrong.[/quote]
Of course.
No one should get special treatment. From the looks of things he used the level 200 exploit. He should stay banned.
Forget I said anything. Don't know enough to weigh in on this.
But I do agree with the petition.
I don't like this special treatment either. I hope he stays banned like the others.
he admitted to exploiting the lvl200 beginner glitch. perm ban is deserved. glad nexon isn't budging to unban him. let him be the example, nobody gets special treatment for exploiting glitches.
[quote=Kaiyzer]naww Tyler So helpful on the forums.[/quote]
Has he helped you before? Or are you a forumer? Care for a message?
[quote=Ponified]How do we know he just didn't get greedy and purposely used the exploit? How did he even "accidentally" get involved in a exploit?[/quote]
He spent days with Nexon's staff and they spent days investigating it further and further to conclude that his account was not mistakenly banned for getting involved with whatever this exploit did to get these people banned. But the determination from this confusion is enough to tell you that he had no idea, and was innocent. From personal experience I know that feeling. However, he was permanently banned and Nexon can't unban him... or at least, not now anyway.
@Samygxz85
Click on the petition link. There should be a section to the side of your browser page asking for your name and information. Enter that in and at the bottom should be a "sign" button. On mobile devices the sign button should be there on your screen clearly, and you will be prompted for your information after clicking. Hope I helped.
Which exploit was it? Most of the game-breaking ones are pretty hard to accidently do.
@2KLeaves: Did the person who got banned post his ticket which stated that he got banned? I'm interested in seeing what the ticket says.
[quote=fun2killu]@2KLeaves: the petition doesn't explain to what exploit he was caught in.[/quote]
And neither can what everything else says. The petition asks for Nexon to provide their reasons and evidence to how and why these people have been banned. That way the victims and the players around the situation can grasp it firmly as Nexon has. You ask for the evidence, and so do I. That's the mystery.
[quote=2KLeaves]Here is a petition about an act for Nexon's ban system: (Yes, this is a very much REAL petition created by Southperry)
[url=http://www.change.org/petitions/nexon-america-reveal-your-evidence-against-banned-users-in-a-fair-review-appeal-system]http://www.change.org/petitions/nexon-america-reveal-your-evidence-against-banned-users-in-a-fair-review-appeal-system[/url]
Petition's goal - Reveal your evidence against banned users in a fair review & appeal system. (To Nexon)
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can you please explain to me how to participate in the petition and what to do, i was banned for 1 month, now im unbanned but i lost 30 cubes worth 50$ because of the ban
maybe i still have hope to receive something back
@2KLeaves: the petition doesn't explain to what exploit he was caught in.
[quote=fun2killu]what exploit was the person banned for? Posting more information on his ban would be useful rather than posting fluff.[/quote]
That's what the petition is for. Sign it so we can find out.
@Pheonixsblaze
Hey! Lol just doing my job. Remember to tell your friends in Windia! They probably know what you're talking about if they know who Timbervvolf is.
what exploit was the person banned for? Posting more information on his ban would be useful rather than posting fluff.
Hi Kieth