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Okay so now with DBs having only 90% avoidablity are they much worse than before, or can you
compensate for having a low avoid by having a lot of %LUK?

@ItzATrapp: oh, forgot the additional 1 hit, haha xD

@SMCstar:

Phantom Blow after Hypers has more hits than Carnival Edge.

According to both charts, shads outdamage DBs after unlimited. But I don't think they took into account the ease for DBs to acquire weapon attack through kataras, which are far cheaper than khanjars (a 30+ atk dkhanjar costs around 2.5-3 while 80+ kataras would cost less than that), still with our high multiplier, it would have little effect. The margin isn't too wide though according to insoya. I still find myself playing DB more because 2flashy4u, will probably transfer my gear to him when i get to 200.

[quote=FangKingRei]I'm not talking about percentages here, though. +1 from phantom hyper and +1 from hidden dagger is still only 16 hits with mirror image. If both are hitting the cap, they're even. That's all I'm saying. Is it easier for DB to hit cap with PB? Of course. That's not what I'm talking about, though[/quote]

it is impossible for a shad to hit cap after unlimited with carnival edge. even if you spent 50grand on your gear it is impossible with 2mil range which is the max. they use assasinate it is better after their hyper skills regardless of funding.

[quote=FangKingRei]@mark24:

I thought phantom blow hit 6 times. +1 from hidden dagger is 7 +7 from SP is 14. Carnival hits 8 times anyway so even if they both hit 16 times, they're still even if they're both hitting cap.[/quote]

hidden dagger is a seperate att for 140% and sp ads 70% on that. phantom blo gets upgraded after hyper skills 1+hit+sp and 20%more dmg.

[quote=FangKingRei]Since this thread has shifted towards DB vs Shad, I'll throw in my two cents.

I have a DB and Shad. My DB, with the same equips as my shad at this level as they were originally my shad's, is much stronger and faster with more mobbing capabilities. That being said; if they were to both consistently hit cap, I guess the shad would win if only because Carnival hits 8 times and Phantom Blow, even with the hidden dagger hyper thing, only hits 7.

More OT: I would continue playing my class. According to the more recent damage chart, my main, who will be Hayato, is ranked 33. That's really low, but it doesn't bother me.[/quote]

no phantom blo with hidden dagger hits 7 times+7 more from sp + 140% from hidden dagger+70% from sp. carnival edge sucks after unlimited assasinate is shadowers 1v1 skill. carnival edge can not hit cap after unlimited even with max range.

hayato is low because it doesnt have hyper skills yet smh.

[quote=rlatjr]@mark24

10 ranking difference in dpm chart NUFF SAID. I'm done talking to stubborn people who won't look at facts. Buh bye~~~[/quote]

you almost got me suspended with that one. that is on a rock that does not fight back with your char at 2mil range. you need to take a look at db and shadowers skills and compare them and then compare katara to dragon khanjar... you don't know what your talking about.

@SMCstar wrong krazyblitz in scania hits max.

i am talking about post unlimited though. a 2mil range shad might be slighty better than a 2mil range db at 1v1 dps. but with bossing dmg a 2mil range db is right below a shadower also you have to take into account their skills. db has much more effective skills overall when compared to a shadower, this is the main reason why i quit shad for db.

also shadower take way more funding to get the same range as a db.

[quote=ItzATrapp]No all thieves are getting a slight nerf (Avoidability capped at 90%)

This doesn't affect Xenon because they have two chances to dodge so they can still get 100% chance to dodge.

Shads are just getting a buff to some of their skills like Assaulter-replacer moves more mobs.

DBs have higher DPM than Shads with max funding.[/quote]

shad's carnival edge actually hits higher than db's phantom blow(when both are hitting max), but since no one has hit max per line on carnival edge, phantom blow wins

[quote=rlatjr]You sound like another butt hurt DB. Cry some more.[/quote]

i have 2 db and 2 shad. i am currently playing db because it is stronger and it is still stronger after unlimited. I did my research and you should do yours too. you are either a troll or you just do not know what your talking about. i am guessing you have not played db and shadower because if you had you would know, the difference in power is very noticeable and has been since the db revamp. I am quiting my db after i get it 175, i have no bias on the subject this is a brute squad mule atm. idk what job i am going to main after this.

[quote=rlatjr]Look at the southperry dpm chart ass face.

You are the one pulling siht out of your ass. Stop spouting nonsense. You're stupid enough as it is. Idiot wetard dumb ass.
U mad that youre weaker than shads now? lololololololololol[/quote]

Jeez calm down, this is a discussion forum not a battle field.
DB is still better unless you can do max damage.

@OneAndOnly: It's what I do
Besides mine is much more aestetically pleasing.

[quote=Thiefy996]So, I heard from the voices in my head that shads are the superior race and Db's shall be purged from the servers. Anyone knows if that'll happen in one of the next patches?[/quote]

no because of db's superior weapons and passive/active skills db will still be better even after unlimited. xenon beats them both though.

[quote=Bifoliate]Why are heroes number 2? i thought they were hindered by hitting only 5x[/quote]

DPM based off of %dmg done in a minute, not the amount of hits. Because of a higher cap, %dmg is more relevant until you start hitting cap, which is much, much harder to do now.

[quote=rlatjr]Lulz. You made me laugh with that. Good one bro.

Shads are about 10 ranks higher in the DPM chart that DB. lulzlulzlulz[/quote]

go play a shad and db and come back. db>shad post unlimited, fact. db better active buffs, better skills, better passive buffs, more att(katara).

[quote=Swypth]NLs are right underneath, kind of makes me not want to make a DB and make me a shad as my secondary.[/quote]

I feel exactly what you mean, And I what lie but I really do think DB's are better then NL's in every single way.

[quote=SuberKieran]http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3443/1v1dpm.png Please, tell me more about that DPM chart.[/quote]

>2013
>Not using the updated list
>I shiggy diggy

[quote=rlatjr]Lulz. You made me laugh with that. Good one bro.

Shads are about 10 ranks higher in the DPM chart that DB. lulzlulzlulz[/quote]

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3443/1v1dpm.png Please, tell me more about that DPM chart.

No all thieves are getting a slight nerf (Avoidability capped at 90%)

This doesn't affect Xenon because they have two chances to dodge so they can still get 100% chance to dodge.

Shads are just getting a buff to some of their skills like Assaulter-replacer moves more mobs.

DBs have higher DPM than Shads with max funding.

Can people stop making a thread whenever they "hear" something? The person telling you this is most likely pulling things out of their ass.