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Rapid Fire Vs Mille Aiguilles ?

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Well im currently confused.

First of all im talking about Rapid fire POST Pirate revamp although it didnt release yet.

so .. i saw alot of people on youtube videos , lets say at Zakum solo vids , who prefer using Rapid fire instead of Mille Aiguilles .

And im just wondering why ? well im talking about high buffed and well funded phantoms .

i mean ... Lets say you hit max dmg , 999k per hit , with all the extra buffs + 140 att pot.

i know that revamped rapid fire has high %attack and so on , but...

with rapid fire you hit 999k x 1.

with Mille Aiguilles you hit 999k x 2 .

isnt Mille Aiguilles better already? even if you dont hit max dmg , with Mille Aiguilles you hit x2 times , isnt it better ?
Posted: July 2012 Permalink

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StupidRob Level 192 Scania Xenon 4
RF is faster, noir carte activates ONCE per skill(so one time of the Mille, regardless of whether both crit), and so on.
Jul 21 2012
RF is faster, noir carte activates ONCE per skill(so one time of the Mille, regardless of whether both crit), and so on.[/quote]

RF is not faster since Milles hits twice at 180ms whilst RF hits once at 120ms. If you're hitting cap with RF than Milles is better otherwise if you're mobbing milles is better and on single targets RF is better.

RF is 1000/120=8.34 hits per second, whilst Milles is 1000/180*2=11.12
Jul 21 2012
StupidRob Level 192 Scania Xenon 4
RF is not faster since Milles hits twice at 180ms whilst RF hits once at 120ms. If you're hitting cap with RF than Milles is better otherwise if you're mobbing milles is better and on single targets RF is better.

RF is 1000/120=8.34 hits per second, whilst Milles is 1000/180*2=11.12[/quote]
Now calculate noir carte when that's fixed. It only procs once per skill, so 8 times a second vs 5.5 a second, at 220% damage(another 999k since 130% would hit 999k according to the OP).
RF is faster where it counts, which is what he wanted to know.
Jul 21 2012
Toscox Level 179 Khaini Angelic Buster 4
I'll explain this as simply as I can.
1000 (1 sec) / 180 MS = 5.5555 x 3 (2 hits mile 1 hit FA) = 16.66666
1000 (1 sec) / 120 MS = 8.3333 x2 = 16.6666

Both are the same assuming 100% critical rate.
100% critical rate is not plausible even after self SE on a phantom unless you sacrifice a part of your weapon.
Mille procs 1 time but has 2 chances of procing.

Mille is better, TS is right.[/quote]

Only in TS' situation though, otherwise it's :
Mille Aiguilles : 11,1111*260% + 5,3888*220% => 4074,422% / sec
Rapid fire : 8,3333*330% + 7,0833*220% => 4308,3161% / sec

Assuming 85% critical(65% base + SE). When the person isn't capping yet.
Jul 21 2012
darkspawn980 Level 177 Scania Jett 4
@Pendant: ugh, do you REALLY have to have that attitude always?

aswan has an INNER ABILITY that gives up to 30% crit, and is one of the better ones, not a buff, meaning it sticks with you FOREVER, should you choose so.

and i did skip the 100% crit calc, my fault.
Jul 21 2012
But remember guys RF will not have SE unless you have decent SE which still isnt 85% crit rate, its 75%. I believe Mille Aiguilles is still better.
Also lets not forget how cool Mile Aiguilles looks.
Jul 21 2012
tkirsch Level 164 Kradia Night Walker 4
RF is not faster since Milles hits twice at 180ms whilst RF hits once at 120ms. If you're hitting cap with RF than Milles is better otherwise if you're mobbing milles is better and on single targets RF is better.

RF is 1000/120=8.34 hits per second, whilst Milles is 1000/180*2=11.12[/quote]
but you forgot noir carte, which only activates once per attack meaning you double RF to 16.68 and milles is only 1.5x which brings 16.68... which means they are identical, so if you do max damage do whichever laggs you less and what looks cooler to you.
Jul 21 2012
darkspawn980 Level 177 Scania Jett 4
@Pendant: just because it's hard doesn't mean that you can just skip it, you said yourself that you hit max damage no? someone out there will get 100% crit.

the data already is in GMS btw, the 30% crit is already confirmed as an inner ability, as far as extractions go

as for hitting max on CPB and/or the black mage, if we got mercedes that already cap with 100% ignore, i don't see how much harder it can be for a phantom who has both combo and UD/RF

what i will agree on though, it's that right now with noir carte not even working, i facepalm every time i see someone spamming RF instead of UD.

will 100% crit and ignore be available to everyone? no, but if you can hit max damage already, i don't see why you'd disregard others being able to do this and a bit more.
Jul 21 2012
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