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Veteran starts fight over anti-obama bumper sticker

http://www.koat.com/news/new-mexico/albuquerque/Anti-Obama-bumper-sticker-angers-veteran/-/9153728/17648284/-/6b2wrk/-/index.html

Veteran starts a fight and acts like a diq, other guy gets arrested.

gg.

December 27, 2012

16 Comments • Newest first

DragonBandit

@aznseal: Lol in that situation a police officer wouldn't be justified in drawing his gun. So why should a random civilian?

Reply December 28, 2012
aznseal

[quote=ultracheese]That's not what the article says. The citizen, Williams, wasn't the one who said he wasn't interested in discussing politics; the veteran, Rodriguez, said that to police. The article doesn't say who escalated the situation either.[/quote]

Oops misread.

Reply December 27, 2012
ultracheese

[quote=aznseal]The chain of events

1. Veteran disagrees with citizen's bumper sticker
2. Veteran approaches the citizen and says "people like you should be shot"
3. Citizen says "I don't want to discuss politics"
4. Veteran escalates the situation into a physical conflict
5. Citizen has concealed weapon license and pulls out gun to de-escalate the conflict until police arrive

I don't see how it's wrong to pull out a gun if someone says "people like you should be shot" and starts a physical fight with me.[/quote]

That's not what the article says. The citizen, Williams, wasn't the one who said he wasn't interested in discussing politics; the veteran, Rodriguez, said that to police. The article doesn't say who escalated the situation either.

Reply December 27, 2012
aznseal

[quote=DragonBandit]If you pull out your gun it is because you have decided to shoot, are ready to shoot. Unless it is justified by the law... which in some states it is... he should be arrested as he was. Perhaps if the veteran had a knife, or a gun as he suggested he would have been justified in his response.[/quote]

But he had a legitimate reason to feel like his life was threatened.

Reply December 27, 2012
DragonBandit

[quote=aznseal]The chain of events

1. Veteran disagrees with citizen's bumper sticker
2. Veteran approaches the citizen and says "people like you should be shot"
3. Citizen says "I don't want to discuss politics"
4. Veteran escalates the situation into a physical conflict
5. Citizen has concealed weapon license and pulls out gun to de-escalate the conflict until police arrive

I don't see how it's wrong to pull out a gun if someone says "people like you should be shot" and starts a physical fight with me.[/quote]

If you pull out your gun it is because you have decided to shoot, are ready to shoot. Unless it is justified by the law... which in some states it is... he should be arrested as he was. Perhaps if the veteran had a knife, or a gun as he suggested he would have been justified in his response.

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
Singuy

[quote=cashmoneyinfini]@Singuy: And why exactly would someone want a gun in the first place?.[/quote]

To defend themselves from people who threaten them and thinks 'they should be killed'. Looking buff also does not compare with a trained war veteran or pro fighter.

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
cashmoneyinfini

@Singuy: And why exactly would someone want a gun in the first place? Either because they like power, or they want to protect themselves.

And that guy looks pretty buff, so I doubt it's to protect himself.

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
Singuy

[quote=cashmoneyinfini]Oh yeah, the person who took out a gun and pushed a war veteran could not have possibly started the fight.[/quote]

Actually the one with the gun does not have the merit to start a fight. Think about it, the gun owner has no reason to be the initial aggressor since he holds more power/influence over a non gun owner in that situation.

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
cashmoneyinfini

[quote=aznseal]Are you really so left winged that you have to assume that everyone with a gun is out for a fight?

The guy took out the gun in response to the physical altercation. There's no telling what weapons a crazy veteran [i]might/[i] have on him, especially when he tries to start pineapple.[/quote]

I actually don't care too much, I just picked a side.

Arguing is so much fun, don't you agree?

And did the guy even know that he was a veteran in the first place? I wonder if the article added that in to make it sound more interesting.

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
aznseal

[quote=cashmoneyinfini]Oh yeah, the person who took out a gun and pushed a war veteran could not have possibly started the fight.[/quote]

Are you really so left winged that you have to assume that everyone with a gun is out for a fight?

The guy took out the gun in response to the physical altercation. There's no telling what weapons a crazy veteran [i]might/[i] have on him, especially when he tries to start pineapple.

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
cashmoneyinfini

[quote=aznseal]Yes, because it can be implied that the person who said "I don't want to discuss politics" obviously started the fight against someone who said "yo people like you should be shot herp derp"[/quote]

Oh yeah, the person who took out a gun and pushed a war veteran could not have possibly started the fight.

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
aznseal

[quote=cashmoneyinfini]>People like you [b]Should[/b] be shot

How is that any different than him being insulted by the obama sticker.
He's simply stating his dislike towards the citizen's opinion.
It doesn't say who started the "brief shoving match"[/quote]

Yes, because it can be implied that the person who said "I don't want to discuss politics" obviously started the fight against someone who said "yo people like you should be shot herp derp"

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
Barquifa

this is why politics in general are retarded

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
cashmoneyinfini

[quote=aznseal]The chain of events

1. Veteran disagrees with citizen's bumper sticker
2. Veteran approaches the citizen and says "people like you should be shot"
3. Citizen says "I don't want to discuss politics"
4. Veteran escalates the situation into a physical conflict
5. Citizen has concealed weapon license and pulls out gun to de-escalate the conflict until police arrive

I don't see how it's wrong to pull out a gun if someone says "people like you should be shot" and starts a physical fight with me.[/quote]

>People like you [b]Should[/b] be shot

How is that any different than him being insulted by the obama sticker.
He's simply stating his dislike towards the citizen's opinion.
It doesn't say who started the "brief shoving match"

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
aznseal

[quote=cashmoneyinfini]Oh yeah, the guy who pinned someone to the ground with a gun is clearly innocent.[/quote]

The chain of events

1. Veteran disagrees with citizen's bumper sticker
2. Veteran approaches the citizen and says "people like you should be shot"
3. Citizen says "I don't want to discuss politics"
4. Veteran escalates the situation into a physical conflict
5. Citizen has concealed weapon license and pulls out gun to de-escalate the conflict until police arrive

I don't see how it's wrong to pull out a gun if someone says "people like you should be shot" and starts a physical fight with me.

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited
cashmoneyinfini

Oh yeah, the guy who pinned someone to the ground with a gun is clearly innocent.

Reply December 27, 2012 - edited