You can figure this out by simplying the expression
(b+x)*(1+y/200) = (b+y)*(1+x/200)
b= base m.att x=fan 1 y=fan 2
one side representing your m.att holding one fan and haku holding the other, and otherside is vice versa
b=200 in the end, x and y's cancel out.
In conclusion, if you have a base m.att of less than 200, equip your fan with the most m.att. If your base m.att is higher than 200, equip the weaker fan and give haku your stronger one. If you have exactly 200 base m.att, it doesn't matter which you equip and give to haku.
edit: When I say base m.att, this does not include m.att from your fan equipped, elemental blessing, or %m.att.
This is also assuming you have 0% m.att from outside sources. If you factor in %m.att from buffs and fans, our magic number will start to increase past 200.
edit2: Factoring in %m.att from other sources is
base=2*(%m.att) + 200
where (%m.att) is 1 for 1%m.att and 100 is for 100%m.att and not the decimal representation.
@Balddd you should make a new thread, this one is 8 months old and based upon incorrect assumptions on how hakus buff works
The reason the higher m.att fan gives you better results on haku is likely because you have a pretty high base m.att. Haku's Blessing converts half the m.att on his fan into a +%m.att buff. (+2m.att on his fan = +1%m.att)
500 base m.att + a 128m.att fan equipped and 133 m.att fan on haku, you get 1042 m.att 500 base m.att + a 133m.att fan equipped and 128 m.att fan on haku, you get 1038 m.att
Lower the base to 100 m.att now. 100m.att + 128m.att and a haku fan of 133 is 378m.att 100m.att + 133m.att and a haku fan of 128 is 382m.att
Stronger fan is now better equipped by you now.
You can probably test this out yourself by taking off your equips so that your base m.att is lower.
So i tested the thing you guys are debating. Found 2 identical fans (Empress). And i scrolled 1 with a pink (+5 m.atk).
If you disregard the potential set effects from your main fan - because fans on haku dont count for set effects - having the higher m.atk on haku adds more to your range. http://imgur.com/CjUuzUa,wxIEDGI#0 This is haku having the better fan. http://imgur.com/CjUuzUa,wxIEDGI#1 This is me having the better fan.
Notice both of them didnt have their potential revealed. So if you dont pay attention to the potentials and focus solely on m.atk. Having the higher one on haku is better.
the more total matt you have the better it is to put the higher matt fan on haku. theres a thread on southperry and they had testing, though i saw it like a weekago. better to just test yourself and see what works
Slightly unrelated, but if you only have one pro fan, you can first give it to Haku, let him buff, take back the fan, equip it yourself, and your range will treat it like Haku still has your pro fan. Though, it's kind of annoying to swap every 40 seconds or so.
@j1mm13valadez: Does the neb potential affect your kanna in any way? In another post someone mentioned they have 2 boss nebs, 1 for each fan and it somehow stacks. Only asking for today since tomorrow I will be testing it out but to save me the trouble of not waste a neb on a fan. Your input is appreciated, thanks.
[quote=mrxxkim][url=http://imgur.com/RTG5Zg1,KxhOHNQ]confirmed that higher atk fan on haku[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/KxhOHNQ.jpg]means higher range[/url]
also, stats on the fan that haku wears (not the potentials), do not apply to the range. That could maybe explain why some people get the opposite effect.[/quote] Yes this is true, I might not have very fancy fans (just a necro fan and the level 110 one) but my necro fan with potential of 9%mattack 6%int on Haku lowers my range about 5-6k than when Equipped on Kanna. So for now I am leaving my Haku with the 2nd best mattack fan I have till I am able to upgrade the fan for it.
[url=http://imgur.com/RTG5Zg1,KxhOHNQ]confirmed that higher atk fan on haku[/url] [url=http://i.imgur.com/KxhOHNQ.jpg]means higher range[/url]
also, stats on the fan that haku wears (not the potentials), do not apply to the range. That could maybe explain why some people get the opposite effect.
Someone on Southperry just did math to support that it's not working as it says it is. It's being consistent, but it's not blatantly increasing either fan magic attack by 50% or increasing your magic attack by 50%.
I tested this with a clean reverse fan and a clean lv 110 fan with +12 m.attk. potential, which is a 9 m.attk. difference. My range was slightly higher with Haku wearing the 110 fan (the one with higher total magic attack due to potential) and myself wearing the reverse. I have lv 10 Haku Perfected. The only other potential either of the fans had was +22 accuracy.
[quote=Elated]assuming youre fourth job and have haku perfected 20 maxed?[/quote] That shouldn't cause a difference. In [i]any[/i] scenario, (fan(x) + (fan(y) * (z%)) < (fan(x) + (fan(y) + (fan(y) * (z%))), with x and y being fan magic attacks and z being the percent that Haku's Blessing increases your magic attack by. That is simple math. However, as two people have proven already, that is not the case.
Oh, it's because your gear is bad. That can't be the answer. Any increase in magic attack is an increase in damage. There would be no reason for the slightly weaker fan (assuming you don't have two identical fans) to be better than the stronger fan at lower levels and then all of a sudden when you have a significantly better fan, it becomes better for Haku to wear the not as good fan (again assuming that you don't have two identical fans). It's just not logically sound. Not to mention I tried to replicate the a disparity between fan magic attacks, that is to say that I used a level 10 fan in comparison with a level 100 fan, a significant difference in magic attack. The result? Kanna holding the higher magic attack fan still resulted in a higher range. In any scenario where any percentage of a fan's magic attack is added to the fan's magic attack and the new total magic attack is subsequently added to your range, the higher magic attack fan would be better on Haku, which was not the case in my tests.
Well then it's because you only have level 1 Haku Perfected and not level 20 Haku Perfected. I already demonstrated this earlier but unless the skill changes how it works on the very last level, that is not the cause.
What causes it? The only thing I can think of is that Haku's Blessing will also factor in a bonus like %attack and modifies it in some ridiculous capacity. But I honestly don't know because you don't have either of your fans' potential visible so I can't continue. The other alternative is that you didn't cancel out Haku's Blessing before/after switching fans so there's that slight glitch where you get somewhat of a double Blessing before Haku recasts it, but it looks like you did so that's probably not it. I would do more testing on it but I don't have a %attack fan.
perfectly scrolled one =/= the one you use most potential you automatically get with the fan on haku
hakus one buff skill tho gives you X% of the equipped fans stats as a buff so ideally the fan should be nicely scrolled/most powerful fan you can spear to equip him
[quote=j1mm13valadez]It's so weird because I get the opposite ? lol[/quote] It is weird because you get the complete opposite effect of what should happen. Given the fact that my two pictures prove that it is a 50% in magic attack based on Haku's fan and not 50% added to Haku's fan's magic attack, it is weird. The only thing I can think of is that, possibly, the 9% attack is being multiplied in some way as well, which would distort the results. But I'd need to find a %attack fan to actually test this, which I don't have.
@xkillo32: When Haku rebuffs Haku's Blessing it does fix the glitch, yes.
[quote=Mang]Something that I'm noticing while experimenting that may be affecting his screen shots; when I equip the stronger fan and give Haku the weaker one, my range is higher than when I give him the stronger one and me the weaker one, after buffing resets and whatnot. HOWEVER, when I let Haku's Blessing reset while he has the stronger fan and I have the weaker one, THEN change them back after that (i.e I now have the stronger one and he has the weaker one, just after the rebuff,) I gain extra range. Is this making sense? I'll get this in some screen shots. It's not as noticeable of a difference because the fans are only 5 m atk apart, but there is a difference.[/quote] I've noticed this as well. The only thing I can possibly think of is that you effectively get two Haku's Blessings, that is, Haku's Blessing with the weak fan and then Haku's Blessing with the stronger fan. I noticed this when I was using a 15 matk fan and my 95 matk fan and when I didn't cancel out Haku's Blessing, I had an increase of like 300 damage to my range.
[quote=CygnusBabii]I'm guessing it's because the 2nd job Haku skill accounts for potential? The potential on your fans (and the lack thereof) are out matched by the other guy's.[/quote] That doesn't explain anything because if it was an increase of Haku's fan's magic attack by 50% then the scenario in which I have the higher attack fan on Haku should give me a bigger range, but it doesn't.
If it were like that, equipping the stronger fan to Haku would always be the most beneficial option, regardless of potential. As my screenshots prove, that is not the case.
[quote=Momijii]Let's get some pictures of your "test." Because unfortunately, my test disproves him since I [i]should[/i] have a higher range with the higher attack fan on, which I don't.[/quote] I'm guessing it's because the 2nd job Haku skill accounts for potential? The potential on your fans (and the lack thereof) are out matched by the other guy's.
[quote=Elated]Haku buffs the fan he is wearing to give it 50% additional magic attack. You think rank 1 Kanna would know what he is talking about....Clearly I KNOW that he is right because i've tested it myself. He has only been helpful and correct with the statements he has made. If you refuse to believe the right answers provided then that is your own loss.[/quote] Let's get some pictures of your "test." Because unfortunately, my test disproves him since I [i]should[/i] have a higher range with the higher attack fan on, which I don't.
[quote=j1mm13valadez]I'm done talking with you. Apparently you don't know what you're talking about so go ahead. and keep misinforming people.... By what you're saying it would be the opposite. my range should go down when I put the higher mag attk fan on haku since i'm only getting 50% of it like you said... but why does it go up? It's the same two fans I just flip floped them.[/quote] You're doing something interesting/wrong because I did the same flip-flop experiment and got the numbers that would make sense (ie., I had a better range when I was wearing the better fan).
[url=http://omg.wthax.org/e_12.png]95 attack fan on me, 80 attack fan on Haku[/url] [url=http://omg.wthax.org/e2_3.png]80 attack fan on me, 95 attack on Haku[/url]
And just to throw it out there: Yes I did wait for Haku's Blessing to expire.
[quote=Razmos]Of course the range is going to increase like that. you are comparing a scrolled level 120 fan to a level 40 fan.
seriously?[/quote] In the screenshot with 492k range,[b] Haku[/b] is using the Von Leon fan and MyDarkSelf is wearing the lv40 fan. In the screenshot with 417k range, Haku is using the lv40 fan and [b]MyDarkSelf[/b] is wearing the Von Leon fan.
[quote=Razmos]Of course the range is going to increase like that. you are comparing a scrolled level 120 fan to a level 40 fan.
seriously?[/quote]
I'm done talking with you. Apparently you don't know what you're talking about so go ahead. and keep misinforming people.... By what you're saying it would be the opposite. my range should go down when I put the higher mag attk fan on haku since i'm only getting 50% of it like you said... but why does it go up? It's the same two fans I just flip floped them.
[quote=Razmos]I still find the way you are wording it to be strange.
I equipped Haku with my timeless fan (119 Magic attack) and equipped myself with my crossed fan (100 magic attack, 3% INT). When Haku's blessing activated my range was lower than if i'd been wearing them the other way around. When I switched the 2 items back around, the same Haku's blessing was still on, and I had more range than I would usually have.
So it's definitely a percentage of [b]Haku's[/b] equipped fans damage. The damage of your fan is not simply buffed by 50% like you are suggesting.[/quote]
http://i48.tinypic.com/2en9ehh.jpg Higher mag attk fan on me
http://i45.tinypic.com/20pynon.jpg Higher mag attk fan on haku
Look at the range increase...
Are you letting haku's blessing reset before comparing ?
I still find the way you are wording it to be strange.
I equipped Haku with my timeless fan (119 Magic attack) and equipped myself with my crossed fan (100 magic attack, 3% INT). When Haku's blessing activated my range was lower than if i'd been wearing them the other way around. When I switched the 2 items back around, the same Haku's blessing was still on, and I had more range than I would usually have.
So it's definitely a percentage of [b]Haku's[/b] equipped fans damage. The damage of your fan is not simply buffed by 50% like you are suggesting.
[quote=Momijii]@j1mm13valadez: Post your range with Haku's Blessing and without Haku's blessing. Include the magic attack of the fan and the amount of INT and LUK you have. We'll find out by math.[/quote]
I'd rather not share my range. Go ahead and test it out for yourself if you don't believe me. I'm just trying to help people out.
@j1mm13valadez: Post your range with Haku's Blessing and without Haku's blessing. Include the magic attack of the fan and the amount of INT and LUK you have. We'll find out by math.
[quote=Razmos]@j1mm13valadez: I'm pretty sure that isn't how it works. in 2nd Job the magic attack boost is dependent on the strength of Haku's fan. it makes no sense for 4th job to suddenly go against this and make the strength based on Kanna's equipped fan. Which seems to be what you are suggesting (that it buffs Kanna's fan by 50%) if that isn't what you are suggesting then I am reading your comment wrong because it's worded weirdly.[/quote]
My range speaks for its self.... go ahead and try it and see. Make sure to let haku rebuff you as well when switching fans to see the difference. It does say that it INCREASES Defense by 300 AND the mag attk of the equipped fan by 40% in 2nd job.
[quote=Mang]Also curious, and also just confirming that potential on Haku's fan is applied to Kanna? Cause the only time I've had something I could test, I had crit rate on a fan, equipped it to Haku, and my crit rate didn't go up.[/quote] Critical Rate is one of the only potentials that Haku's fan won't give you. I'm not sure why, but Critical Rate wasn't passed over in JMS either.
@Elated: I'm not really sure. I'm going to test it out later by putting a + stat nebulite and see if it makes a difference. If it works then I'm going to invest in another boss neb
@j1mm13valadez: I'm pretty sure that isn't how it works. in 2nd Job the magic attack boost is dependent on the strength of Haku's fan. it makes no sense for 4th job to suddenly go against this and make the strength based on Kanna's equipped fan. Which seems to be what you are suggesting (that it buffs Kanna's fan by 50%) if that isn't what you are suggesting then I am reading your comment wrong because it's worded weirdly.
[quote=Razmos]Haku Perfected gives you up to 50% of the Fans Attack as Magic attack. It's probably the biggest damage range increasing skill Kanna has, So i would suggest that if you can't find a fan with good potential, just use the highest level one you have available.
I got quite lucky, my level 110 crossed fan came with 3% INT potential, which makes it a very good fan for Haku to equip. Good Attack and a useful potential, that's the kind of thing you want.[/quote]
Incorrect. It buffs the fans m atk by 50%(Example: if your fan is 200m atk it'll add another 100 so it'd be 300 m atk ) . I tested it out by putting my higher mag attk fan on Haku and my range jumped by almost 50k .
[quote=toad]@razmos What about Nebulites? They work?[/quote] To be honest I've been wondering this myself, since they work and act like potential, you'd think they would. Unfortunately I don't have the funds to test this. If I was to buy a nebulite I wouldn't throw it on my secondary fan in case it didn't work.
Haku Perfected gives you up to 50% of the Fans Attack as Magic attack. It's probably the biggest damage range increasing skill Kanna has, So i would suggest that if you can't find a fan with good potential, just use the highest level one you have available.
I got quite lucky, my level 110 crossed fan came with 3% INT potential, which makes it a very good fan for Haku to equip. Good Attack and a useful potential, that's the kind of thing you want.
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@MegaSage No it will not. Boss% and ignore def% potentials won't work either on that fan (best you can get is int% and m.att% on haku fan)
will the 30%boss 10%pdr on a fafnir fan still work if i have haku use that one?
The answer is a base of 200 m.att.
You can figure this out by simplying the expression
(b+x)*(1+y/200) = (b+y)*(1+x/200)
b= base m.att
x=fan 1
y=fan 2
one side representing your m.att holding one fan and haku holding the other, and otherside is vice versa
b=200 in the end, x and y's cancel out.
In conclusion, if you have a base m.att of less than 200, equip your fan with the most m.att. If your base m.att is higher than 200, equip the weaker fan and give haku your stronger one. If you have exactly 200 base m.att, it doesn't matter which you equip and give to haku.
edit: When I say base m.att, this does not include m.att from your fan equipped, elemental blessing, or %m.att.
This is also assuming you have 0% m.att from outside sources. If you factor in %m.att from buffs and fans, our magic number will start to increase past 200.
edit2: Factoring in %m.att from other sources is
base=2*(%m.att) + 200
where (%m.att) is 1 for 1%m.att and 100 is for 100%m.att and not the decimal representation.
@loxiona: i see. i just tested it. Around when would it make a difference? Like. About what base m.att?
@Balddd you should make a new thread, this one is 8 months old and based upon incorrect assumptions on how hakus buff works
The reason the higher m.att fan gives you better results on haku is likely because you have a pretty high base m.att.
Haku's Blessing converts half the m.att on his fan into a +%m.att buff. (+2m.att on his fan = +1%m.att)
500 base m.att + a 128m.att fan equipped and 133 m.att fan on haku, you get 1042 m.att
500 base m.att + a 133m.att fan equipped and 128 m.att fan on haku, you get 1038 m.att
Lower the base to 100 m.att now.
100m.att + 128m.att and a haku fan of 133 is 378m.att
100m.att + 133m.att and a haku fan of 128 is 382m.att
Stronger fan is now better equipped by you now.
You can probably test this out yourself by taking off your equips so that your base m.att is lower.
So i tested the thing you guys are debating. Found 2 identical fans (Empress). And i scrolled 1 with a pink (+5 m.atk).
If you disregard the potential set effects from your main fan - because fans on haku dont count for set effects - having the higher m.atk on haku adds more to your range.
http://imgur.com/CjUuzUa,wxIEDGI#0 This is haku having the better fan.
http://imgur.com/CjUuzUa,wxIEDGI#1 This is me having the better fan.
Notice both of them didnt have their potential revealed. So if you dont pay attention to the potentials and focus solely on m.atk. Having the higher one on haku is better.
For me, the results are this, using 2 timeless weapons, one 119 atk, and one 129 atk, base atk 135 (with no fan/ hakus buff)
129 Atk fan on me, hakus buff w/ 119
33546 max range
406 Atk
Swapped Fans, w/o canceling Hakus buff
32172 max range
390 Atk
119 atk Fan on me, hakus buff w/ 129
33062 max range
401 Atk
Swapped Fans, w/o canceling Hakus buff
34519 max range
418 Atk
So in conclusion, the higher atk fan on me is currently better than the other way around.
So, boss potential doesn't carry over, even when not in neb form from Haku?
the more total matt you have the better it is to put the higher matt fan on haku. theres a thread on southperry and they had testing, though i saw it like a weekago. better to just test yourself and see what works
Slightly unrelated, but if you only have one pro fan, you can first give it to Haku, let him buff, take back the fan, equip it yourself, and your range will treat it like Haku still has your pro fan. Though, it's kind of annoying to swap every 40 seconds or so.
@Aeronomx: Honestly, I didn't get a chance to test it out . I only tested if the pot from the weapon itself worked.
@j1mm13valadez: Does the neb potential affect your kanna in any way? In another post someone mentioned they have 2 boss nebs, 1 for each fan and it somehow stacks. Only asking for today since tomorrow I will be testing it out but to save me the trouble of not waste a neb on a fan.
Your input is appreciated, thanks.
Really, can't you just take 2 fans and test it out yourself? Then decide which one adds more to your range.
[quote=mrxxkim][url=http://imgur.com/RTG5Zg1,KxhOHNQ]confirmed that higher atk fan on haku[/url]
[url=http://i.imgur.com/KxhOHNQ.jpg]means higher range[/url]
also, stats on the fan that haku wears (not the potentials), do not apply to the range. That could maybe explain why some people get the opposite effect.[/quote]
Yes this is true, I might not have very fancy fans (just a necro fan and the level 110 one) but my necro fan with potential of 9%mattack 6%int on Haku lowers my range about 5-6k than when Equipped on Kanna. So for now I am leaving my Haku with the 2nd best mattack fan I have till I am able to upgrade the fan for it.
[url=http://imgur.com/RTG5Zg1,KxhOHNQ]confirmed that higher atk fan on haku[/url]
[url=http://i.imgur.com/KxhOHNQ.jpg]means higher range[/url]
also, stats on the fan that haku wears (not the potentials), do not apply to the range. That could maybe explain why some people get the opposite effect.
Someone on Southperry just did math to support that it's not working as it says it is. It's being consistent, but it's not blatantly increasing either fan magic attack by 50% or increasing your magic attack by 50%.
i will test this out on my kanna once im back to the states from europe..
I tested this with a clean reverse fan and a clean lv 110 fan with +12 m.attk. potential, which is a 9 m.attk. difference. My range was slightly higher with Haku wearing the 110 fan (the one with higher total magic attack due to potential) and myself wearing the reverse. I have lv 10 Haku Perfected. The only other potential either of the fans had was +22 accuracy.
[quote=Elated]assuming youre fourth job and have haku perfected 20 maxed?[/quote]
That shouldn't cause a difference. In [i]any[/i] scenario, (fan(x) + (fan(y) * (z%)) < (fan(x) + (fan(y) + (fan(y) * (z%))), with x and y being fan magic attacks and z being the percent that Haku's Blessing increases your magic attack by. That is simple math. However, as two people have proven already, that is not the case.
Oh, it's because your gear is bad. That can't be the answer. Any increase in magic attack is an increase in damage. There would be no reason for the slightly weaker fan (assuming you don't have two identical fans) to be better than the stronger fan at lower levels and then all of a sudden when you have a significantly better fan, it becomes better for Haku to wear the not as good fan (again assuming that you don't have two identical fans). It's just not logically sound. Not to mention I tried to replicate the a disparity between fan magic attacks, that is to say that I used a level 10 fan in comparison with a level 100 fan, a significant difference in magic attack. The result? Kanna holding the higher magic attack fan still resulted in a higher range. In any scenario where any percentage of a fan's magic attack is added to the fan's magic attack and the new total magic attack is subsequently added to your range, the higher magic attack fan would be better on Haku, which was not the case in my tests.
Well then it's because you only have level 1 Haku Perfected and not level 20 Haku Perfected. I already demonstrated this earlier but unless the skill changes how it works on the very last level, that is not the cause.
What causes it? The only thing I can think of is that Haku's Blessing will also factor in a bonus like %attack and modifies it in some ridiculous capacity. But I honestly don't know because you don't have either of your fans' potential visible so I can't continue. The other alternative is that you didn't cancel out Haku's Blessing before/after switching fans so there's that slight glitch where you get somewhat of a double Blessing before Haku recasts it, but it looks like you did so that's probably not it. I would do more testing on it but I don't have a %attack fan.
Is Kanna worth playing 160+? I haven't really seen her in action, semi-funded at KSH or HOH yet. Still debating on funding one.
So in a nutshell is it better to equip a higher MATT fan on haku or what?
[quote=Momijii]But I'd need to find a %attack fan to actually test this, which I don't have.
[/quote]
I'm not sure entirely about this, but I don't think Mages are affected in anyway with %attack potential .
[quote=CygnusBabii]well?[/quote]
perfectly scrolled one =/= the one you use
most potential you automatically get with the fan on haku
hakus one buff skill tho gives you X% of the equipped fans stats as a buff
so ideally the fan should be nicely scrolled/most powerful fan you can spear to equip him
To answer TS' question: Get a Fan with good M.ATK and a good Potential (%Stat or +M.ATK).
[quote=j1mm13valadez]It's so weird because I get the opposite ? lol[/quote]
It is weird because you get the complete opposite effect of what should happen. Given the fact that my two pictures prove that it is a 50% in magic attack based on Haku's fan and not 50% added to Haku's fan's magic attack, it is weird. The only thing I can think of is that, possibly, the 9% attack is being multiplied in some way as well, which would distort the results. But I'd need to find a %attack fan to actually test this, which I don't have.
@xkillo32: When Haku rebuffs Haku's Blessing it does fix the glitch, yes.
@Momijii
let him rebuff....?
@Momijii: It's so weird because I get the opposite ? lol
[quote=Mang]Something that I'm noticing while experimenting that may be affecting his screen shots; when I equip the stronger fan and give Haku the weaker one, my range is higher than when I give him the stronger one and me the weaker one, after buffing resets and whatnot. HOWEVER, when I let Haku's Blessing reset while he has the stronger fan and I have the weaker one, THEN change them back after that (i.e I now have the stronger one and he has the weaker one, just after the rebuff,) I gain extra range. Is this making sense? I'll get this in some screen shots. It's not as noticeable of a difference because the fans are only 5 m atk apart, but there is a difference.[/quote]
I've noticed this as well. The only thing I can possibly think of is that you effectively get two Haku's Blessings, that is, Haku's Blessing with the weak fan and then Haku's Blessing with the stronger fan. I noticed this when I was using a 15 matk fan and my 95 matk fan and when I didn't cancel out Haku's Blessing, I had an increase of like 300 damage to my range.
[quote=CygnusBabii]I'm guessing it's because the 2nd job Haku skill accounts for potential? The potential on your fans (and the lack thereof) are out matched by the other guy's.[/quote]
That doesn't explain anything because if it was an increase of Haku's fan's magic attack by 50% then the scenario in which I have the higher attack fan on Haku should give me a bigger range, but it doesn't.
If it were like that, equipping the stronger fan to Haku would always be the most beneficial option, regardless of potential. As my screenshots prove, that is not the case.
[quote=Momijii]Let's get some pictures of your "test." Because unfortunately, my test disproves him since I [i]should[/i] have a higher range with the higher attack fan on, which I don't.[/quote]
I'm guessing it's because the 2nd job Haku skill accounts for potential? The potential on your fans (and the lack thereof) are out matched by the other guy's.
[quote=Elated]Haku buffs the fan he is wearing to give it 50% additional magic attack. You think rank 1 Kanna would know what he is talking about....Clearly I KNOW that he is right because i've tested it myself. He has only been helpful and correct with the statements he has made. If you refuse to believe the right answers provided then that is your own loss.[/quote]
Let's get some pictures of your "test." Because unfortunately, my test disproves him since I [i]should[/i] have a higher range with the higher attack fan on, which I don't.
[quote=j1mm13valadez]I'm done talking with you. Apparently you don't know what you're talking about so go ahead. and keep misinforming people.... By what you're saying it would be the opposite. my range should go down when I put the higher mag attk fan on haku since i'm only getting 50% of it like you said... but why does it go up? It's the same two fans I just flip floped them.[/quote]
You're doing something interesting/wrong because I did the same flip-flop experiment and got the numbers that would make sense (ie., I had a better range when I was wearing the better fan).
[url=http://omg.wthax.org/e_12.png]95 attack fan on me, 80 attack fan on Haku[/url]
[url=http://omg.wthax.org/e2_3.png]80 attack fan on me, 95 attack on Haku[/url]
And just to throw it out there: Yes I did wait for Haku's Blessing to expire.
[quote=Razmos]Of course the range is going to increase like that. you are comparing a scrolled level 120 fan to a level 40 fan.
seriously?[/quote]
In the screenshot with 492k range,[b] Haku[/b] is using the Von Leon fan and MyDarkSelf is wearing the lv40 fan.
In the screenshot with 417k range, Haku is using the lv40 fan and [b]MyDarkSelf[/b] is wearing the Von Leon fan.
I don't understand your logic.
[quote=Razmos]Of course the range is going to increase like that. you are comparing a scrolled level 120 fan to a level 40 fan.
seriously?[/quote]
I'm done talking with you. Apparently you don't know what you're talking about so go ahead. and keep misinforming people.... By what you're saying it would be the opposite. my range should go down when I put the higher mag attk fan on haku since i'm only getting 50% of it like you said... but why does it go up? It's the same two fans I just flip floped them.
Of course the range is going to increase like that. you are comparing a scrolled level 120 fan to a level 40 fan.
seriously?
[quote=Razmos]I still find the way you are wording it to be strange.
I equipped Haku with my timeless fan (119 Magic attack) and equipped myself with my crossed fan (100 magic attack, 3% INT). When Haku's blessing activated my range was lower than if i'd been wearing them the other way around. When I switched the 2 items back around, the same Haku's blessing was still on, and I had more range than I would usually have.
So it's definitely a percentage of [b]Haku's[/b] equipped fans damage. The damage of your fan is not simply buffed by 50% like you are suggesting.[/quote]
http://i48.tinypic.com/2en9ehh.jpg Higher mag attk fan on me
http://i45.tinypic.com/20pynon.jpg Higher mag attk fan on haku
Look at the range increase...
Are you letting haku's blessing reset before comparing ?
I still find the way you are wording it to be strange.
I equipped Haku with my timeless fan (119 Magic attack) and equipped myself with my crossed fan (100 magic attack, 3% INT). When Haku's blessing activated my range was lower than if i'd been wearing them the other way around. When I switched the 2 items back around, the same Haku's blessing was still on, and I had more range than I would usually have.
So it's definitely a percentage of [b]Haku's[/b] equipped fans damage. The damage of your fan is not simply buffed by 50% like you are suggesting.
[quote=Momijii]@j1mm13valadez: Post your range with Haku's Blessing and without Haku's blessing. Include the magic attack of the fan and the amount of INT and LUK you have. We'll find out by math.[/quote]
I'd rather not share my range. Go ahead and test it out for yourself if you don't believe me. I'm just trying to help people out.
@j1mm13valadez: Post your range with Haku's Blessing and without Haku's blessing. Include the magic attack of the fan and the amount of INT and LUK you have. We'll find out by math.
[quote=Razmos]@j1mm13valadez: I'm pretty sure that isn't how it works. in 2nd Job the magic attack boost is dependent on the strength of Haku's fan. it makes no sense for 4th job to suddenly go against this and make the strength based on Kanna's equipped fan. Which seems to be what you are suggesting (that it buffs Kanna's fan by 50%) if that isn't what you are suggesting then I am reading your comment wrong because it's worded weirdly.[/quote]
My range speaks for its self.... go ahead and try it and see. Make sure to let haku rebuff you as well when switching fans to see the difference. It does say that it INCREASES Defense by 300 AND the mag attk of the equipped fan by 40% in 2nd job.
[quote=Mang]Also curious, and also just confirming that potential on Haku's fan is applied to Kanna?
Cause the only time I've had something I could test, I had crit rate on a fan, equipped it to Haku, and my crit rate didn't go up.[/quote]
Critical Rate is one of the only potentials that Haku's fan won't give you. I'm not sure why, but Critical Rate wasn't passed over in JMS either.
@Elated: I'm not really sure. I'm going to test it out later by putting a + stat nebulite and see if it makes a difference. If it works then I'm going to invest in another boss neb
@j1mm13valadez: I'm pretty sure that isn't how it works. in 2nd Job the magic attack boost is dependent on the strength of Haku's fan. it makes no sense for 4th job to suddenly go against this and make the strength based on Kanna's equipped fan. Which seems to be what you are suggesting (that it buffs Kanna's fan by 50%) if that isn't what you are suggesting then I am reading your comment wrong because it's worded weirdly.
[quote=DarkPieLord]Yep, tried again now and got a much, much better result with the high lvl fan. Sorry[/quote]
What'd you do? My level 30 fan with +1 magic attack pot is giving me better results than my 110 fan
EDIT: I relogged and it started showing correctly
[quote=Razmos]Haku Perfected gives you up to 50% of the Fans Attack as Magic attack. It's probably the biggest damage range increasing skill Kanna has, So i would suggest that if you can't find a fan with good potential, just use the highest level one you have available.
I got quite lucky, my level 110 crossed fan came with 3% INT potential, which makes it a very good fan for Haku to equip. Good Attack and a useful potential, that's the kind of thing you want.[/quote]
Incorrect. It buffs the fans m atk by 50%(Example: if your fan is 200m atk it'll add another 100 so it'd be 300 m atk ) . I tested it out by putting my higher mag attk fan on Haku and my range jumped by almost 50k .
[quote=toad]@razmos What about Nebulites? They work?[/quote]
To be honest I've been wondering this myself, since they work and act like potential, you'd think they would. Unfortunately I don't have the funds to test this. If I was to buy a nebulite I wouldn't throw it on my secondary fan in case it didn't work.
@razmos What about Nebulites? They work?
Haku Perfected gives you up to 50% of the Fans Attack as Magic attack. It's probably the biggest damage range increasing skill Kanna has, So i would suggest that if you can't find a fan with good potential, just use the highest level one you have available.
I got quite lucky, my level 110 crossed fan came with 3% INT potential, which makes it a very good fan for Haku to equip. Good Attack and a useful potential, that's the kind of thing you want.
[quote=FreeWii4Mii]one with good pot[/quote]
Do you know if Haku Perfected (4th job) will count attack on the fan as well?
One that has Yellow or Pinkish Red or Green letters and a Green border around it with a purple square ontop