Crit Rate on Heros
So with a base 1v1 crit rate of 45% at level 200, a 5% neb on my shield, ~20% from inner ability, 2- 10% crit rate potions, and decent SE, I can have 100% crit rate.
Is this better than trying to get boss damage for an inner ability?
Heroes are second for 1v1 dps after unlimited with a really low crit rate, it seems like trying to get as much crit rate as possible would be OP AF.
EDIT: going solely for % bossing on axe and shield, should have over 100%, already have 100% PDR (30% from Leafre Set, 10% from Luminous, 60% from Combat Mastery (with combat orders, which i always have)
April 9, 2013
10 Comments • Newest first
[quote=Mancartia]Yeah, you get 200% with combo (220% with aca hyper), plus 20-50% from crits, for 240-270% damage.
A 5% damage increase from a base of 40% crits would be 26% extra crit rate.
A 5% damage increase from a base of 90% boss+total would be 10% extra boss damage.
So you've got about 25% crit = 10% bossing. Or 5% crit (neb) ~ 2% total neb.
Decent SE improves that a little but not enough to make it a good idea to get crit. Just get lots of bossing/total damage/%str.[/quote]
Thanks for the information. This is useful. I have +20% minCrit from Cruel Ring and +15% maxCrit from dSE. I guess heros deserved the minCrit +15% on enrage because our criticals are not that effective. That means when counting ACA with it's hyper, enrage, and dSE, I get 275%-285%. The average is 280%.
280%/220% = 27% boost from a critical
Counting enrage and phantom's link 2 (not out yet) and dSE, I get 65% crit for 5 hits of raging blow. The last hit of raging blow is always a critical. This means my theoretical critical rate is 70.8%.
Thus the average boost from MY criticals are only 19.3% than if I were to have no critical at all. This is lower than the base minCrit (120% damage). I guess heros deserved the critical boosts from enrage and raging blow.
OT: With this information, getting more critical rate is probably not as effective as you would think. It's additive vs. multiplicative. Unfortunately additive is bad for us. Critical rate is good no doubt but it does not provide the same boost as other jobs get. Get speed attack +1 and you will be set.
I'd run with boss damage just so you don't have to spend time/money gathering stuff for potions. You could also quit at ~60%crit without potions and use inner ability for boss damage or +1attack speed which would probably be a wiser choice in my book.
that is some useful information @bello99, thanks for that
well that sucks
I need to do some more research, but I'm pretty sure base critical damage is 1.2-1.4x. Adding 15% max damage should make that range 1.2-1.55x. As for your in game testing, I'm not sure. It seems that when ever i have SE i hit around 1.5x normal with crits, but ill double check next time.
Pretty much the math is gonna consist of multiplying the 40% crit damage increase (just a rough average), then multiplying it by .2 (for 20 percent crit rate), to see the actual damage increase that 20% crit rate gives. Then comparing that to how much 15-20% boss damage would add when I am going to have so much already. Post-unlimited changes the pdr and boss damage calulations, so I need to look up how much of a difference 20% boss damage would make when i already have around 120%.
I think more ~20% critical rate is a nice boost. I've been wondering how to calculate criticals for hero. If you test out your damage, minCrit and maxCrit don't seem to tell the whole story. After some experimentation, my highest critical with enrage and orbs was only about 20% higher than my highest non-critical. It should have been closer to 65% higher. I have decent Sharp Eyes which is +15% maxCrit.
lol it always said 2 potions, I edited to add in what my other stats were. And there is something that is mathematically better to do, I wasn't sure if anybody had done the math before.
[quote=jolteon7]yeah counting link skill and hyper crit you have 45% 1v1 base. And i said 2 10 % crit potions (i'm an alchemist), it adds up to 100.
but yeah the question is if I can use inner ability to get 100% crit, should I go for it, or is something like % boss or att better?[/quote]
well u edited it and i guess its up to you
yeah counting link skill and hyper crit you have 45% 1v1 base. And i said 2 10 % crit potions (i'm an alchemist), it adds up to 100.
but yeah the question is if I can use inner ability to get 100% crit, should I go for it, or is something like % boss or att better?
[quote=calebheads]How did you gather 45%?[/quote]
i'm guessing 10% from phantom link (15% post unlimited after phantom hits 120), 10% from hyper skill and 20% from enrage as he did mention 1vs1.
OT: you only have 90% crit rate, not 100%
How did you gather 45%?