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Aura0fDeath Level 211 Scania Dark Knight
I just want to see your guys's opinion on this. I want a fully tradeable 2h sword for use on a hero/pally/kaiser, just to save funds. I know theoretically, 1h and shield is better for pally, but I'd rather just be able to trade equips over. With the red shop out and those nice +8 scrolls, I'm considering scrolling a stonetooth, but it's level/base attack is relatively low, but it is fast speed. On the other hand, the new RED 2h sword I think is fully tradeable and has about a 20-30 base attack that is higher. Which one should I pick? And yes, I know fafnir, terminus, and empress are better, but those are not fully tradeable, so I'm not considering them at this time.

If the RED 2hsword is not fully tradeable, then are there any other suggestions that you guys would have? Thanks a lot for the help!

EDIT: So i've checked southperry exxtractions. the 2h i'm referring to is the Revolution 2h sword, Normal (6), base 130 att 8 slots, 10 slots hammered, no tradeblock.
Posted: December 2013 Permalink

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fearofoneman Level 250 Bera Demon Slayer 4
First off, don't think it's fully tradeable, nor can you PSoK to transfer after equipping in. Secondly, You'd have to revert back to the old school times and grab a VIP 2h sword (120 att clean, normal speed) or a stonetooth (101 att clean, fast speed), both of which are terrible these days. Though I'm pretty certain neither of these will do you any good as it's all about set effects anyways.

I will urge you to consider at least an empress 2h (137 clean) with empress armors. At least it's moveable with the use of a PSoK. But if you're not even going to be using empress armors and sticking to the neos or some other form of equips, then you're pretty much really behind in terms of damage. You'll be missing out on extra stats as well as set effects. The latter can also be applied if you choose to use RED set effect, but it's not one bit moveable.

GL!

EDIT: The RED weapons may be tradable. It doesn't say on their description they can't be. Only one way to find out lol
Dec 06 2013
HitThings Level 220 Windia Dark Knight SquishyNoobs Guild
Scrolling a Stonetooth with those 8 Att scrolls and Enhancing it at least 5 times could prove viable.
That fast speed would greatly improve DPS or save you the money for rolling +1 Attack Speed on Inner Ability.
However, with all these new weapons coming out, Stonetooths are getting quickly left behind in the dust.

I know this first-hand as I am a die hard Dragon Carabella user. At 182 att and 210 from Bonus pot, it's still does a pretty damn good job.
I am considering switching to a Fafnir eventually.
Dec 06 2013
Aura0fDeath Level 211 Scania Dark Knight
First off, don't think it's fully tradeable, nor can you PSoK to transfer after equipping in. Secondly, You'd have to revert back to the old school times and grab a VIP 2h sword (120 att clean, normal speed) or a stonetooth (101 att clean, fast speed), both of which are terrible these days. Though I'm pretty certain neither of these will do you any good as it's all about set effects anyways.

I will urge you to consider at least an empress 2h (137 clean) with empress armors. At least it's moveable with the use of a PSoK. But if you're not even going to be using empress armors and sticking to the neos or some other form of equips, then you're pretty much really behind in terms of damage. You'll be missing out on extra stats as well as set effects. The latter can also be applied if you choose to use RED set effect, but it's not one bit moveable.

GL!

EDIT: The RED weapons may be tradable. It doesn't say on their description they can't be. Only one way to find out lol[/quote]

Thanks for the response. I do know that if I go with a fully tradeable set, I'll be relatively behind in damage, but I'm ok with that, as these accounts aren't even close to being my main characters. These are characters I just want to play around with for a bit; I have a DrK, a shad, and a lumi that I've funded more than these charaters. The larger question I have I guess is whether the Fast attack speed of the Stonetooth would beat out that ~20-30 damage from the RED 2h (if it is fully tradeable). I do know the empress ones are tradeable, but I'd rather not have to spend a PSoK just to trasnfer it over from time to time. Again, I really appreciate the non-trolly answer ^^

EDIT: @HitThings I am wondering if that Fast speed from ST is worth it over other 2h's (the main one I'm considering is the 2h RED). And I am planning on scrolling it with the +8 RED scrolls and a 5 star enhance, the relative difference in ATT will be less (i.e. ~185 att for a ST vs ~230 att for the 2h RED?)
Dec 06 2013
HitThings Level 220 Windia Dark Knight SquishyNoobs Guild
Thanks for the response. I do know that if I go with a fully tradeable set, I'll be relatively behind in damage, but I'm ok with that, as these accounts aren't even close to being my main characters. These are characters I just want to play around with for a bit; I have a DrK, a shad, and a lumi that I've funded more than these charaters. The larger question I have I guess is whether the Fast attack speed of the Stonetooth would beat out that ~20-30 damage from the RED 2h (if it is fully tradeable). I do know the empress ones are tradeable, but I'd rather not have to spend a PSoK just to trasnfer it over from time to time. Again, I really appreciate the non-trolly answer ^^

EDIT: @HitThings I am wondering if that Fast speed from ST is worth it over other 2h's (the main one I'm considering is the 2h RED). And I am planning on scrolling it with the +8 RED scrolls and a 5 star enhance, the relative difference in ATT will be less (i.e. ~185 att for a ST vs ~230 att for the 2h RED?)[/quote]

While I can't help you calculate your damage output with those two swords, I am able to give you some advice.
There are numerous formulas/programs/charts online to help you calculate.

With Inner Ability Attack Speed +1, that alone is enough to [i]visibly[/i] notice a significant difference in swing speed.
(If the Red 2H is tradeblocked) The Stonetooth will also have good **resale value** as people still demand it due to it's attack speed.

By the looks of it, you seem like you want to carry all your gear seamlessly from character to character.
Thankfully, there are ways to survive without Fafnir/Empress/etc. set bonuses.
Hunt down special Root Abyss items with "All scrolls will succeed" and you can make fully-transferrable items such as this.
Due to their unpopularity, if you manage to find one they should be cheap. (19 Att Neos pants for 1b in Windia)
Through this, you can offset the loss of attack if you opt for the Stonetooth.
Just make sure you don't EE them because they fixed that glitch.
Dec 06 2013
Aura0fDeath Level 211 Scania Dark Knight
While I can't help you calculate your damage output with those two swords, I am able to give you some advice.
There are numerous formulas/programs/charts online to help you calculate.

With Inner Ability Attack Speed +1, that alone is enough to [i]visibly[/i] notice a significant difference in swing speed.
(If the Red 2H is tradeblocked) The Stonetooth will also have good **resale value** as people still demand it due to it's attack speed.

By the looks of it, you seem like you want to carry all your gear seamlessly from character to character.
Thankfully, there are ways to survive without Fafnir/Empress/etc. set bonuses.
Hunt down special Root Abyss items with "All scrolls will succeed" and you can make fully-transferrable items such as this.
Due to their unpopularity, if you manage to find one they should be cheap. (19 Att Neos pants for 1b in Windia)
Through this, you can offset the loss of attack if you opt for the Stonetooth.
Just make sure you don't EE them because they fixed that glitch.[/quote]

again, thanks for the info! I do know of the existence of those RA equips.

Hrm, I do know of dmaage calculators, but they seem to claculate range, as opposed to dps in Fast vs Normal speed swords? I checked extractions and the Revolution 2h is not tradeblocked, and has 8 slots (vs the ST's 7), but is Normal (6) vs Fast (5). It seems like the damage bonus seems to offset the speed...but do you know anything more in regards to this?
Dec 06 2013
HitThings Level 220 Windia Dark Knight SquishyNoobs Guild
@Aura0fDeath: Hmm. It comes down to preference then.
I personally prefer attack speed over raw attack. A Kaiser might not notice too much a difference with the Red 2H, but a Hero will.

The only other deciding factor I can think of is resale.
The [i]majority[/i] of players strive to use Empress/Loveless/Fafnir and if they opt for something otherwise, it's often the Stonetooth.

In any case, I hope you have good luck scrolling either sword. (Dozens have complained that the +8 Atts are "rigged"
And enjoy the classes
Dec 06 2013
scorpio989 Level 133 Renegades Kaiser 4
If your looking for the highest possible ATT tradeable sword go with the lv123 swords. I have one myself and love that I can trade it between my Kaiser, DW, Hero, and Paladin. Although a Stonetooth is a very good option also.
Dec 06 2013
fradddd Level 170 Windia Hero
What about a VIP sword...or the level 123 swords...
Dec 06 2013

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