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Labels, Human Nature, and the Path to a Utopia
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Nov 02 2009 +
Monoliths
23 Windia Thunder Breaker
 
I'm sure you've heard it many times:

"If something can be labeled, it can be hated"

What does this mean? If you belong to a group, or anything that "defines" you, there can be hate directed towards you because of that definition.
So if we keep this in mind, couldn't we say that if you don't have a label you won't be hated? Well it's not that simple. You are already defined by your race, gender, sexuality, religion, etc. In society, we strive too hard to put ourselves into social groups. We'll always have something that categorizes us. But, what creates these "social groups," these "categories?" Is it not knowledge and society that labels people as "Asian," as "Male" or "Female," or "Gay" or "Straight?" Therefore, if we eliminate society and knowledge, (according to this logic) the world becomes perfect. You can't hate anybody because you don't know what you hate them for.

However, we still have the barrier of raw human nature. Many people argue that humans are naturally good, or the opposite: humans are inherently evil. I, however, believe that at the core, humans are only looking out to survive and to live comfortably. If we have extra, we can spare some. If we are pitted against one another for survival, we will fight. If we keep this in mind, one could say we could reach a Utopia, a perfect society.

But, before we make this assumption, we must define a "Utopia." It is a perfect world, but what exactly is "perfect." For now, we'll use a utilitarian ideal: The idea that a perfect world is where everybody is happy. Now let's bring in statistics. Thomas Malthus stated that Human growth is exponential, but food growth is linear. If this is true, there will be a time when there is not enough food to support the humans that inhabit this planet. And, if not everybody can have food, there will be competition. If there is competition, there shall be death. People do not naturally "wish to die." So, with this idea of carrying capacity (supply and demand, food and population) a Utopia is impossible.

BUT, (still following the Utilitarianist Utopia) if there was no one to satisfy, then there is also no one to let down or make sad. This means, if there were no humans, there would be a Utopia. This could also apply to every species of animal and plant as well. In the end, we realize that the only true Utopia is where nothing exists.

Summary: Labels, Human Nature, and Natural Competition dictate that the only Utopia is where nothing exists

Discuss.
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11/02/09 +
darksocerrer
50 Windia F/P Wizard
 
Novelist: I meant literally washing our brains.


because we can open our heads, pour in a couple of buckets of water, and seal them right up!
11/02/09 +
H0mmey
58 Scania F/P Wizard
 
Novelist: I meant literally washing our brains.


and the new dry humor king is......
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11/02/09 +
Monoliths
23 Windia Thunder Breaker
 
ibenji: and the new dry humor king is......


Hey! I like that title, a'ight?
11/02/09 +
Cayine
75 Windia F/P Mage
 
NightSin22: because we can open our heads, pour in a couple of buckets of water, and seal them right up!


Washing usually includes soap.
11/02/09 +
HeIlAdvent
50 Khaini Dawn Warrior
 
Utopia is quite a harsh existence, it seems.
11/02/09 +
Monoliths
23 Windia Thunder Breaker
 
Humanmango: Utopia is quite a harsh existence, it seems.


it seems.
I'm still torn between viewing it as
Perfection = All being formed into one
or
Perfection = Everybody is separate, but perfect in their own.
11/02/09 +
ILykeCerial
30 Scania Gunslinger
 
Influence of bad thoughts already crushed the idea of utopia.

Imo: If everyone still thinks, there will never be utopia.
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11/02/09 +
Monoliths
23 Windia Thunder Breaker
 
ponjoe: Influence of bad thoughts already crushed the idea of utopia.

Imo: If everyone still thinks, there will never be utopia.


but then what will you do about human nature?
11/04/09 +
ILykeCerial
30 Scania Gunslinger
 
Ramunesun: but then what will you do about human nature?


Nothing, there will be good people, there will be bad people, there will be people in between. Always.
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11/04/09 +
Exyel
72 Scania Ranger
 
Well uh, in a utopia where nothing exists, nothing will be there to define it as a utopia, so it wont be.

Anyways i don't really know where this conversation is right now, i think i shall observe.
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