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Nov 02 2009 +
Crisped
41 Broa Assassin
 
I have a question for atheists. You believe that "something" sparked life right? Would you consider that a God, because in religious terms, that is a God? Or do you believe that life just appeared out of nowhere?

Even if evolution existed, which is probably the case, there must be something or someone that sparked evolution. For example, we all learned about spontaneous generation in ninth grade; it's virtually impossible to create life from non-life.

So, my question is: We all know something must have sparked life. Is that God?

Side-question: Is it even possible to consider yourself an atheist with that knowledge?
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11/05/09 +
Saichome
20 Scania Warrior
 
sutper: It may look like past science in terms that they will have flying cars or something.

But the things we know today will not be wrong in the future.

The orbit of neptune will still be the same.
F=ma will still work.
Atoms will still be there.
etc.


no no no, it all will dissappear and we will disprove gravity and that way our cars will be able to fly in the future.. dooh.
11/05/09 +
Yohzu
19 Scania Rogue
 
ThaDemon3: no no no, it all will dissappear and we will disprove gravity and that way our cars will be able to fly in the future.. dooh.


We arent even CLOSE to flying cars.
11/05/09 +
Saichome
20 Scania Warrior
 
Zynastor: We arent even CLOSE to flying cars.


all we have to do is disprove the theory of gravity and then our cars will be flying! ;D
11/05/09 +
iCrossBowed
51 Windia Hunter
 
Zynastor: We arent even CLOSE to flying cars.


Flying cars have actually been developed, but they aren't practical and very expensive.

Off topic much. LOL
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Nov 05* +
luvvaluvva
47 KradiaEMS F/P Wizard
 
note- 'virtually impossible' = slim possibility. Think getting 1000 chaos scrolls over 2000 monsters, and you're looking at VERY unlikely, but possible odds :P

my theory: chemical reactions sparked the first forms of life, it IS possible, but it needs *exactly* the right conditions.

ps- at those who say 'god existed', time and space were *theoretically* created at the same time, so there was also a beginning to time as well as the universe- there was no time before the big bang, so there was no way to say that god 'existed' before.

pss- to answer the questions, i dont think anything other than chance *sparked* life, so in that knowledge i'm still atheist :P
11/05/09 +
AznSeal
167 Broa I/L Arch Mage
 
The main problem is that the nonbelievers are trying to quantify God using Scientific methods. It's impossible to explain God using human means.

As long as the nonbelievers have the mentality that Science is king, this argument will never be resolved because it'll keep going around in circles.
11/05/09 +
Crisped
41 Broa Assassin
 
LightStruck: What he's trying to prove is that.

i.e. People used to believe that the Earth was flat, with better technology, the entire theory could be wrong.

Much like with Evolution and the Big Bang.

@Daemon.

Oh God, you wikipedia the 1O'Cs?
Might as well find the story of Creationism in the book of Guiness World Records.

In the Bible, yes in the Bible the fourth commandment is Honor your Father and Mother.

Note, there are other versions of the 10'Cs.


Thank you. That's what I'm trying to explain.

What we believe to be "correct" now can easily be disproved later. Like he mentioned, people believed the universe revolved around the earth back then.
How do we know for sure the planets revolve around the sun?

Same thing applies to the body of knowledge we have today. Nothing is 100% certain. We deem it is, but everything has a possibility of incorrectness.
11/05/09 +
SirAchilles
113 Bera Crusader
 
Lelouch: Thank you. That's what I'm trying to explain.

What we believe to be "correct" now can easily be disproved later. Like he mentioned, people believed the universe revolved around the earth back then.
How do we know for sure the planets revolve around the sun?

Same thing applies to the body of knowledge we have today. Nothing is 100% certain. We deem it is, but everything has a possibility of incorrectness.


"Nothing is 100% certain." Really?...I mean really? How on earth did you come up with that statement?
11/05/09 +
Crisped
41 Broa Assassin
 
dimo: "Nothing is 100% certain." Really?...I mean really? How on earth did you come up with that statement?


Can I ask you something? How do you know that gravity exists? How do you know the planets revolve around the sun?
11/05/09 +
SirAchilles
113 Bera Crusader
 
Lelouch: Can I ask you something? How do you know that gravity exists? How do you know the planets revolve around the sun?


Not exactly relevant right now because you would not understand the science behind it even if I tried to explain it, I am however 100% certain that I am holding a computer mouse with my right hand, how does go with your "Nothing is 100% certain" statement?
11/05/09 +
Crisped
41 Broa Assassin
 
dimo: Not exactly relevant right now because you would not understand the science behind it even if I tried to explain it, I am however 100% certain that I am holding a computer mouse with my right hand, how does go with your "Nothing is 100% certain" statement?


Explain it.

Also, I'm talking about within the scope of science.
11/05/09 +
SirAchilles
113 Bera Crusader
 
Lelouch: Explain it.

Also, I'm talking about within the scope of science.


This is in the scope of science, its an empirical observation.

As for gravity, even simple experiments with a torsion balance, it show the fact that all objects with mass have a tendency to move toward all other objects with mass, proving that they are under the influence of a force. This force is widely known as gravity
11/05/09 +
Crisped
41 Broa Assassin
 
dimo: This is in the scope of science, its an empirical observation.

As for gravity, even simple experiments with a torsion balance, it show the fact that all objects with mass have a tendency to move toward all other objects with mass, proving that they are under the influence of a force. This force is widely known as gravity


Sure, with testing that could be proved at this current period in time It doesn't mean it's 100% correct. With more advanced technology, anything could be disproved. Even the simplest things such as air.

Look at human history. We believed many things in the past; a century or two later, we disproved much of what was out there. The same thing will most likely happen to us.
11/05/09 +
SirAchilles
113 Bera Crusader
 
Lelouch: Sure, with testing that could be proved at this current period in time It doesn't mean it's 100% correct. With more advanced technology, anything could be disproved. Even the simplest things such as air.

Look at human history. We believed many things in the past; a century or two later, we disproved much of what was out there. The same thing will most likely happen to us.


But the same reasoning can be used about religion. I mean thousands of years ago the Egyptions worshipped the Sun gods and such. Over time that belief system went out of circulation. Whats to say Christianity (for example) is not going to go out of circulation in years to come?
11/05/09 +
rzhang
149 Mardia Bishop
 
Good job trying to disprove a century worth of scientific research with your one opinion....
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