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People that think "Leech" is the worst thing since hitler.
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Nov 03 2009 +
Scarykidzz
72 Bellocan Night Walker
 
How come they are always the ones that cant afford it?

Edit: This a Anti-Anti Leech thread not a Pro-Leech thread.
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11/03/09 +
MMan222
150 Khaini Paladin
 
PreludeMage: ZOMG, people have maps that are outside Vic and Orbis... and WHUT... OPQ EVEN? People are leveling faster now then I did back then! ZOMG! SO UNFAIIIIR!

If you are whining that they are leveling faster than you... deal with it.

I am going to make an assumption here, but I am guessing most of you did not get a character to 113+ before Pap came out, or LMPQ was released (dunno which one, I went on a year hiatus not too long after Ludibrium came out).

You people who are claiming to be training the "right" way obviously aren't, when compared to my old character.


You got that right.
I don't care that it's so much easier to level in MS right now. Way back when, I was a pathetic 7x taking 7 hours every level. 1x exp, no exceptions. I'm way the heck lazier now, as I could be leveling so much faster with how easy it is to get 2x/4x. I just don't want to anymore. I leveled the slow way like a lot of others. (I was 11x when 4th job and Leafre came out. I was still training at dual ghost pirates with a 102 blue screamer.) I'm really more glad than anything else, as easier leveling means that NORMAL people can enjoy this game more.

What I don't understand about leech is, if the game is SO unimportant to you that you'd rather have it play itself, why play it at all? If you just want to be strong and enjoy later-game stuff, why not just play a Pizza Slice and get it faster, better, and for free? Really, if you're pumping money into the game to leech your way to greatness, why not just play a P2P MMORPG that's tried and true GOOD, not well known for being a (pardon my French) piece of **** grindfest? MS has terrible gameplay. The physics behind movement are great, and the system they use for connecting it online works well (compare that to La Tale and you'll see what I mean) but the actual fighting and strategy and classes and progression just SUCK. Lots of things are terrible and bosses of ANY sort almost 90% of the time degrade to POT ATTACK ATTACK POT POT ATTACK etc. That's really about it. That's not fun at all, and it's nowhere near strategic. The closest MS comes to "strategy" is "go here to dodge the attack" or "don't hit it when it goes purple" or "dun tuch bodie"

Really. It's not worth leeching to high levels to boss. Or anything. Not in this game. If your life is so important, stop Mapling and get back to it. Playing occasionally like me is fine if you've got the time to devote to it and you're willing to waste it on MS, but leeching, IMO, is just not worth doing if saving time is your interest.
11/03/09 +
Ganbaro
107 Broa Hermit
 
I don't care if people leech. What they do is their business and I don't see how it affects others.
Nov 03* +
MMan222
150 Khaini Paladin
 
GeminiJoker: That is the most ludicrous comparison I have ever seen in my life. First off, you are comparing a story mode type of gameplay to a MMORPG. What? Second I enjoy playing my game too, I enjoy socializing, I enjoy bossing and I enjoy training with my 4th job skills. I can understand if it's like a new player who suddenly got a hold of 1bil but jesus, if I made a new character you're dam right I'll self BF leech it then train it with my bishop until its 120. Why waste my time going through pq's dealing with morons, fighting for training maps when at 4th job we have excellent mini dungeons to train undisturbed. I don't feel the need to repeat the process of 1-120 when I can do it in less than 2 weeks.


So when can I pick up my Emmy for that one?
Also, I feel like you might be completely throwing out the possibility that grinding in MS is a relaxing, brain-melting kind of thing. I often question why I used to grind a full 8 hours in a day to level once at 7x, but it's about forgetting about other worries and getting absorbed into something mind-numbing and relaxing. Sometimes, it's nice to take a "chill pill" and escape from the world.
I may be doing that a little too often for my own good, but so far I'm doing fine. :D

Ok so my comparison sucked. Your point? At least I'm not comparing it to Pokemon (EVERYONE compares EVERY GAME to Pokemon and it drives me Nucking Futs) and you know how I can make that work just as well. I've said it a thousand times before on Basil; Maplestory is a game that's about the trip, not the destination. If you must read more into this, I've left a good number of long posts about the topic today around Basil, mainly around how it's always about having a goal close at hand. That's why everyone plays MS. You still have things to do, better items to get, levels to obtain. The fun is in getting there. If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times; Maplestory FREAKING SUCKS. The bosses are about spamming pots and attacks constantly. What fun is that? Really, I don't see any redeeming feature in the gameplay at ANY stage in the game, so I fail to see why you're skipping the main point of the game.

I've done a lot of thinking about Maplestory. About why I play it, and why others do. Why it sucks so much, yet why it's still so addicting. I think a lot. It's what I do. But my conclusion at this time is that it's about the trip, not the destination. So I question your reasoning: If you bypass the trip, what fun is really left in the game? What's still keeping you playing?

edit: also note I'm being fun here. Boring debate is boring. I'm not really trying to say you're wrong (note: not TRYING to) but more that I don't understand where you're coming from.
11/03/09 +
FoxboyX
144 Bellocan Dark Knight
 
GeminiJoker: I ran out of room on the original post so i'll summarize it:

Your equipment is mediocre, you don't have money therefore your worth is much less than mine.

You didnt use any other 4th job characters as evidence to emphasize training speed vs leeching speed.

I guess having an entourage is considered 'lazy' too.

Lastly, it isn't leeching, considering a leech is a thing that saps away at a host until they are bone dry, its a mutual relationship as the host is being paid.

This isn't a good game, its a slaughter.


LOOL@you wannabe beta players. You people act like everyone should go through what you did. Hop off your high horse, leech brings more benefit then grief.


Clearly you're filled with more "fake pride" than I am with real pride.
All you're good at is arguing with someone on something that doesn't matter, so I don't think I'm making an assumption when I say you're a waste of my time.
You have no idea what my equips are, my good might be your bad, and my bad might be your good. so cram it.
Just because I didn't mention my other characters doesn't mean they don't exist
Leeching in MS doesn't follow the true definition of the word leech, you bringing that up is THE WEAKEST argument for Pro-leechers
the final statement in your quote made me realize how much of a fool you really are.
So gg, go find someone else, they might want their time wasted.
Nov 03* +
Avoidant
148 Windia F/P Arch Mage
 
>comparing a service provided in an online game to a dictator responsible for the deaths of millions

Does anyone seriously do this? Really?
I mean, I could totally see someone doing this, just because people get really into this stuff sometimes. But God, damn.

Having said that, I'm not a fan of leeching. I considered selling it a few times, but never ended up doing it. It really sped up the game somehow, eliminating the "story" aspect of it. A major part of the game's slow pace is the idea that the journey is more exciting than the destination, and leeching managed to destroy that concept completely.
11/03/09 +
stolentampon
120 Scania Night Lord
 
Nothing against leeching just hate it when they are leeching themselves using a AM/Bishop mule and then congragulating themselves lol
11/03/09 +
j9ssica
141 Scania I/L Arch Mage
 
cuz there low levels and too poor..they know they are..that is why they always state that there not =D
11/03/09 +
Good2BeEviI
25 Broa Pirate
 
So what's the point of this thread?
11/03/09 +
MMan222
150 Khaini Paladin
 
DarkFocus: Clearly you're filled with more "fake pride" than I am with real pride.
All you're good at is arguing with someone on something that doesn't matter, so I don't think I'm making an assumption when I say you're a waste of my time.
You have no idea what my equips are, my good might be your bad, and my bad might be your good. so cram it.
Just because I didn't mention my other characters doesn't mean they don't exist
Leeching in MS doesn't follow the true definition of the word leech, you bringing that up is THE WEAKEST argument for Pro-leechers
the final statement in your quote made me realize how much of a fool you really are.
So gg, go find someone else, they might want their time wasted.

*raises hand* pick me!
I've got Calculus II homework to continue procrastinating on.
11/03/09 +
FoxboyX
144 Bellocan Dark Knight
 
MMan222: *raises hand* pick me!
I've got Calculus II homework to continue procrastinating on.


Ready...Set...Go! XD

btw, I've taken Calculus, is Calculus 2 harder?
Nov 03* +
MMan222
150 Khaini Paladin
 
DarkFocus: Ready...Set...Go! XD

btw, I've taken Calculus, is Calculus 2 harder?


Ahhh it's like... Integrals Gone Wild D:
Bsaically, you throw derivatives to the sidelines for half a semester and just learn to integrate everything and its dog. :P Right now, we're working on series and summation and all that fun jazz. Back to limits again.
It's pretty interesting still, and things keep coming together nicely, but wow. So much material piled up at once. They basically give you a big toolbox and fill it with new tools every day for a semester and it comes down to taking a problem and picking the right one to fix it with.



(hope I didn't scare off Gemini; I was just getting into the juicy stuff, too.)
Nov 03* +
SolunaKitty
182 Khaini I/L Arch Mage
 
It seems that my post was interpreted in a way that I didn't intend it to be. I am supportive of leech. I am just telling people who are whining because leeching levels is faster than training them, to get over it. I am not crying that I used to take hours of training to get from 109 - 110, and that now you can do it in 30 minutes or less, so buck up and accept it.

I got this character to 173 without leeching, and I don't have anything against the people who do leech.

Multivariable calculus is easy >.>;; along with linear algebra and differential equations. I have not taken other math classes since then (and do not plan on taking theory), so I cannot say for the rest.
Nov 03* +
FoxboyX
144 Bellocan Dark Knight
 
MMan222: Ahhh it's like... Integrals Gone Wild D:
Bsaically, you throw derivatives to the sidelines for half a semester and just learn to integrate everything and its dog. :P Right now, we're working on series and summation and all that fun jazz. Back to limits again.
It's pretty interesting still, and things keep coming together nicely, but wow. So much material piled up at once. They basically give you a big toolbox and fill it with new tools every day for a semester and it comes down to taking a problem and picking the right one to fix it with.



(hope I didn't scare off Gemini; I was just getting into the juicy stuff, too.)


Ugh...I barely passed Calc 1, mainly it was because of my laziness XD
but wow, you must be pretty beastly to be able to procrastinate at Calc and still be on top of it all O.O

(you might have, standing up to some people scares them XD)
Nov 03* +
MMan222
150 Khaini Paladin
 
@ above: I'm not sure how I do it, but I learn most math and science pretty well without ever studying. (fact: I never studied for AP Calc 1 and ... well, I got a C, but I still learned the material well enough xD) So far, no studying in Calc 2 (though with the recent pile of material we learned, that's likely to change fast before this week's test) and I'm pulling a B in the class. I don't know why it's not an A, because I'm still getting all my homework done, attending every class, and knowing the material for the tests. For some reason, I make really dumb mistakes on tests and it drags my grade down.

PreludeMage: It seems that my post was interpreted in a way that I didn't intend it to be. I am supportive of leech. I am just telling people who are whining because leeching levels is faster than training them, to get over it. I am not crying that I used to take hours of training to get from 109 - 110, and that now you can do it in 30 minutes or less, so buck up and accept it.

I got this character to 173 without leeching, and I don't have anything against the people who do leech.


Ok. Well, I'm kind of in the same boat as you, but leaning more to the side of not understanding why people would go to the trouble of buying leech. *repeat part about MS being about the struggle to get to something and that being the "fun" part of the experience*
Similarly, I got to 150, 81, 77, and 62 without leeching any of those characters. (All but one are on the same account, so leeching one of my characters with another is pretty much impossible for me)
Not similarly, I don't have the inherent capability of keeping my posts short and to the point, as most of the people posting on this thread do.
11/03/09 +
GodsBallad
51 Windia Spearman
 
Yeah, Auschwitz is the worst thing since Hitler.
New Blog: College @ 16
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