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ChaosRedux
130 Khaini Night Lord
 
Forgive me my blasphemy, but I have one very nagging curiosity. I had earlier dismissed Genesis 2:17 as nothing more than a metaphor, but if we are to rationalize even the shortest verse, think of all the biblical teachings we could pervert. The verses detailing YHVH's lie are as follows:

Genesis 2:17, KJV
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Genesis 3:4, KJV
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

Genesis 3:13, KJV
"And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."

Genesis 3:16, KJV
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

What, then, could YHVH have possibly implied, in saying "thou shalt surely die"?
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11/04/09 +
Anizerda1st
55 Bera Assassin
 
The story was published by so many people and I would expect these kind of errors.
11/04/09 +
ManiacBow
131 Bera Bow Master
 
lol8434: Adam and Eve were perfect and created to live forever. If they ate fromt he fruit, they would loose perfection which allowed them to live forever as long as they followed god's word. They did not, therefore, the end result was death aside form other things which came with imperfection as god mentioned on genesis 3 : 16 along with 3:15 which prophesised jesus's death and the future death of Satan. The moment they ate form the fruit, they started growing old and dying. Hence, the correct translaton would be "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely begin/start todie." You must notice the bible is translated, therefore, many things can be misunderstood. One can only graps the true meaning sometimes if we read the whole story or the whole bible itslef which explains why i can explain this.


This question was answered right here on the first page... why is this topic still going?
11/04/09 +
Saburyu
91 Windia Dragon Knight
 
UsefuLIdiot: OHOHOHO, I bet you think your so cool admitting to the public that you're an atheist.


Wow. I can practically feel the contempt in that comment. Isn't that called...hypocrisy, my religious friend? >.>
11/04/09 +
 
"Eventual physical death, as well as immediate spiritual death."

You got it spot on.
Nov 05* +
Mstormer
128 Scania F/P Arch Mage
 
angramainyu: Forgive me my blasphemy, but I have one very nagging curiosity. I had earlier dismissed Genesis 2:17 as nothing more than a metaphor, but if we are to rationalize even the shortest verse, think of all the biblical teachings we could pervert. The verses detailing YHVH's lie are as follows:

Genesis 2:17, KJV
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Genesis 3:4, KJV
"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

Genesis 3:13, KJV
"And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat."

Genesis 3:16, KJV
"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee."

What, then, could YHVH have possibly implied, in saying "thou shalt surely die"?


The key is in considering the Hebrew term for "day" if I recall correctly for Gen 2:17 as it does not necessarily refer to a literal day as indicated through the English translation. The reason we know that this is different from the literal days spoken of and separated in Genesis 1 by "evening and morning", as well as being modified by a numeral, is because it does not have any such context. When the Hebrew term here used is not modified by a numeral or further specified as literal, it doesn't have to be, and in fact likely is not depending on context.

With this in mind, they did eventually die and there is no contradiction if you consider it contextually.
11/05/09 +
ReikonTaihou
59 Bellocan Gunslinger
 
Something that doesn't exist cannot lie.
11/05/09 +
d1i2v3
82 Bera Ranger
 
bible is a history book. its one version of events. pay no attention ot it.
learn to read arabic/hebrew and read the Quaran
11/05/09 +
 
"why did god make me question his authority then? seems like god is a (censored)"

He didn't make you question His authority. He allowed you to question His authority.
11/05/09 +
 
ajj94: "Eventual physical death, as well as immediate spiritual death."

You got it spot on.


Correct

Even ask scientists, and they'll say the human body was designed to live forever.
11/05/09 +
Alaphair
91 Broa Priest
 
It never meant they would be BAM DEAD. Adam and Ever were made perfect and eternal. Sin brings about death, and by sinning in their disobedience, they brought death and generation into the world. It also meant more than a physical death, but spiritual death in that it separates man from God - who gives eternal life.
New Blog: Yeah
11/05/09 +
Ewabrawler
51 Scania Brawler
 
I don't understand what isn't to understand here. It is an account of the garden of Eve.
they were given children that they might be redeemed.
also, Adam and Eve were probably immortal (yes, immortal) before they ate from the tree. Afterward, they surely died.
Now stop with the pathetic blasphemy.
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