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Is what they teach in the bible true?
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Mindstormer: Malachi 3:5 - "For I am the LORD, I change not..." Hebrews 13:8 - "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." James 1:17 - "Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning." 1 Samuel 15:29 - "And also the Strength of Israel (God) will not lie nor relent. For He is not a man, that He should relent. (Relent/change his mind)" tiganior1: TheWord from www.theword.gr Though, those others are excellent as well. :I New Blog: finaly some fun on basil =]
Lelouch: One thing I know for sure is that, the crux of the Christian faith relies on the resurrection of Jesus Christ the Anointed One. If his resurrection never took place, what I believe in now is false. The death and resurrection of Jesus Christ opened the gateway into heaven. wait, if that's true then what happened to the people that lived before Jesus New Blog: finaly some fun on basil =]
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Lelouch: You're like Jesus. Haha All quoting the scripture and whatnot. When Jesus was tempted, he always replied with: "It is written" (Matthew 4). By seeking to know the Word of God and by putting it in our memory can we grow in our Christian experience and come to have a closer relationship with God while overcoming temptation as Jesus did. If someone makes a statement about or against scripture, the best way to answer without opinion getting in the way is simply to reply with the verses. (Though, this is only really valuable if such individuals personally recognize the Scriptures). Sounds like you have a fun class. If you have any questions about things, drop me a pm if you want. VMIT That was the purpose of the sacrificial system. It was instituted so that people might be saved through faith in the Messiah's sacrifice to come. Hebrews 10:4 makes it clear: "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." Only through Jesus, to whom all the sacrifices pointed and represented, were those before Him saved: John 1:29: "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." TsubakiChii: He didn't kill Jesus, he resurrected him shortly after his death. Genesis 1:29,30, After the flood they became meat-eaters, Genesis 9:1-4, thats also why we started to eat meat. I think o.o Your right. and @Belloman murder is defined as man killing another man. Mindstormer: When Jesus was tempted, he always replied with: "It is written" (Matthew 4). By seeking to know the Word of God and by putting it in our memory can we grow in our Christian experience and come to have a closer relationship with God while overcoming temptation as Jesus did. If someone makes a statement about or against scripture, the best way to answer without opinion getting in the way is simply to reply with the verses. (Though, this is only really valuable if such individuals personally recognize the Scriptures). Sounds like you have a fun class. If you have any questions about things, drop me a pm if you want. VMIT That was the purpose of the sacrificial system. It was instituted so that people might be saved through faith in the Messiah's sacrifice to come. Hebrews 10:4 makes it clear: "For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins." Only through Jesus, to whom all the sacrifices pointed and represented, were those before Him saved: John 1:29: "The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." I still don't realy get it ._. New Blog: finaly some fun on basil =]
Lelouch: I have a huge question that has never been answered. Okay. We know that with the death of Christ, the gateway into heaven opened. In the Bible there are constant references to random spirits floating about. If the gateways into heaven did not open until Christ has died, what happened to the antecedents of the people before Christ? Did they just remain spirits without going to heaven? The bible says that only 3 people were taken up to heaven Elijah, Moses, and Enoch. People who die are "sleeping" I guess you could say and will awaken once Jesus has returned. After that he will pass judgment and those who are saved will go with him. Nothing happened to the people before, they just died and are still dead. I don't think those spirits are the people before Christ. What you have to keep in mind is that before Gods sacrifice people had to sacrifice their best lambs to atone for their sins. After Jesus died for our sins there was no need for it anymore. Lelouch: I have a huge question that has never been answered. Okay. We know that with the death of Christ, the gateway into heaven opened. In the Bible there are constant references to random spirits floating about. If the gateways into heaven did not open until Christ has died, what happened to the antecedents of the people before Christ? Did they just remain spirits without going to heaven? Elijah went to heaven, as did Enoch. (Surprisingly so, since Jesus had not come yet. Had Jesus failed, they would have had to have been expelled). Where do you find the concept that the gateways into heaven did not open until Christ died? I think your confusion is on the state of the dead. Simply put: If people go to heaven immediately upon death, then when Christ returns, who is He going to raise from the dead? When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, was he pulled back out of heaven? I think not. 1 Thessalonians 4 makes it clear: 13. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. (Notice the future tense, referring to when He returns) 15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Throughout scripture, the dead are referred to as sleeping, not as being in heaven. John 11:11 is another example: These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. To make it more easily understood, take a look at Genesis 2:7: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. A soul is therefore the result of two components: Dust, Breath of life. When the two separate at death, guess what result you do not have any more until Christ returns and recreates/brings us back to life? VMIT Basically, think of it as a sort of rain check or something. Those before Christ, died saved by virtue of the fact that they believed that He would come and pay the price of sin: death. They looked forward to this by faith. The only difference is that today, instead of looking forward, we do the exact same thing (believing in Christ), by looking back. Mindstormer: Elijah went to heaven, as did Enoch. (Surprisingly so, since Jesus had not come yet. Had Jesus failed, they would have had to have been expelled). Where do you find the concept that the gateways into heaven did not open until Christ died? I think your confusion is on the state of the dead. Simply put: If people go to heaven immediately upon death, then when Christ returns, who is He going to raise from the dead? When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, was he pulled back out of heaven? I think not. 1 Thessalonians 4 makes it clear: 13. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. (Notice the future tense, referring to when He returns) 15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Throughout scripture, the dead are referred to as sleeping, not as being in heaven. John 11:11 is another example: These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. To make it more easily understood, take a look at Genesis 2:7: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. A soul is therefore the result of two components: Dust, Breath of life. When the two separate at death, guess what result you do not have any more until Christ returns and recreates/brings us back to life? VMIT Basically, think of it as a sort of rain check or something. Those before Christ died saved by virtue of the fact that they believed that He would come and pay the price of sin: death. They looked forward to this by faith. The only difference is that today, instead of looking forward, we do the exact same thing (believing in Christ), by looking back. woah i got the same answer as you! XD except mine was shorter lol @Lelouch Just read my answer its the same as his but shorter. And Elijah didn't die he was taken up in a chariot of fire. One doesn't have to be dead to go to heaven. No one on this earth except for 3 people have gone to heaven like Mindstormer said when people die their spirits do not wander they are asleep. Lelouch: I'm still kinda confused on the whole until the death of Christ, the gateways into heaven is not opened. Or did our textbook make a slight error? By the way, didn't Elijah not die? Yeah, I'd like to see where they get the whole idea of "gateways into heaven" in the first place. If the textbook refers to a verse, let me know. Elijah and Enoch were two exceptions. God took them to heaven while they were still alive and they never died. Mindstormer: Elijah went to heaven, as did Enoch. (Surprisingly so, since Jesus had not come yet. Had Jesus failed, they would have had to have been expelled). Where do you find the concept that the gateways into heaven did not open until Christ died? I think your confusion is on the state of the dead. Simply put: If people go to heaven immediately upon death, then when Christ returns, who is He going to raise from the dead? When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, was he pulled back out of heaven? I think not. 1 Thessalonians 4 makes it clear: 13. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. (Notice the future tense, referring to when He returns) 15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Throughout scripture, the dead are referred to as sleeping, not as being in heaven. John 11:11 is another example: These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. To make it more easily understood, take a look at Genesis 2:7: "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. A soul is therefore the result of two components: Dust, Breath of life. When the two separate at death, guess what result you do not have any more until Christ returns and recreates/brings us back to life? VMIT Basically, think of it as a sort of rain check or something. Those before Christ died saved by virtue of the fact that they believed that He would come and pay the price of sin: death. They looked forward to this by faith. The only difference is that today, instead of looking forward, we do the exact same thing (believing in Christ), by looking back. ah okay New Blog: finaly some fun on basil =]
Mindstormer: Yeah, I'd like to see where they get the whole idea of "gateways into heaven" in the first place. If the textbook refers to a verse, let me know. Elijah and Enoch were two exceptions. God took them to heaven while they were still alive and they never died. Maybe its another religion? BigBroTyRO: Maybe its another religion? Whatever it is, I don't think it's a conclusion that is in any way Biblically founded. Lelouch: Yeah. I want that question to be answered.  Well, drop me a pm if you find out where they got that from. Register / login
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And he let the people who killed him put the other copy on the cross. The real Jesus went to heaven ^__^