KaRnAgE926: Your totally steering away from my point. What your basically saying yes every girl has a choice, she decides what she likes, etc. Many others besides you in this thread have said that. And your take on people being miserable after marriage is what i would say is a true definition of a generalization. Just like your previous post i can say i have friends who are married and happy and etc. My Basis of argument was simple. Love doesn't buy your gf, your wife, your kids food, clothes and a shelter. Do you understand what i'm saying? It's a very simple concept. I'm not talking about golddiggers, I'm talking about financial stability which even in this economy is very hard to find.

When a girl is still young and in her teen years, not even just girls even guys. You have much less to worry about and much less responsibilities, cause at teen years your mostly tryin to get into college and work hard in school, or work a part time job or even dropping out of school if that's your choice. You can easily choose a suitor to your liking and needs, money isn't even a factor here at this age. That's when you can choose even a bad boy or a good boy.

But when your at a mature mindset and thinking about marriage, a BAD boy isn't goin to cut it IF he's not dependable or financially stable. Dates cost money, if he can't even afford to take you out to the movies or even buy you food you think most MATURE 25+ year old WOMEN would stick to a guy like that for very long? HELL NO -__-. Get what I'm tryin to say, I understand where your coming from, but all i'm hearing is arrogance.

DJoker: Love doesn't, but are you saying that everyone who has love is going to be in the ditches?
Regardless, people still have choice.

Furthermore, why does it have to be a "bad boy" who's financially unstable? If you've stated already that the whole thing is set in high school, what makes you think people dont' grow up, or still have some bad boy persona while having a steady job?
On top of that, who says the guy pays for every single thing when they go out? It depends on really how traditional you are, but if a girl is really after that, then that still depends on your views of whether she's worth it or not.

I understand your idea, that love may not prevail through everything, but there are stories supporting and not supporting such claims.
If i'm arrogant, then so are you, because you're so determined on YOUR OWN experiences and YOUR OWN views that you can't see any other way.

Is my concept that hard to grasp?
A good boy isn't going to guarantee anything, neither is a bad boy, and people grow up. People are people, you can't calculate every idea and action they do, they just do it. Some people believe love can prevail through hardships of money and such, some don't.
You can keep talking about the whole rationale about thinking about the money, the stability, and whatnot, but is that guaranteed for everyone?
Can you honestly say, with facts and confidence, that that applies to EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE WORLD.

Along with that, I didn't think my sentence was that hard to understand.
You said people chose marriage for money, that's why it's stable.
I said, if people truly did that, it's no wonder some people are miserable in their marriages and the rates of divorces are high.
My last sentence said, if they had both, it'd be winwin.

KaRnAgE926: lol your totally playin off my words, we can agree to disagree, cause I know where I'm coming from. In the end of the day, if your girl or guy isn't happy with you then your doing something wrong. And its either one of the few categories: Love, Attraction, Money, Happiness. Which yes matter from individual to individual.

KaRnAgE926: lol your totally playin off my words, we can agree to disagree, cause I know where I'm coming from. In the end of the day, if your girl or guy isn't happy with you then your doing something wrong. And its either one of the few categories: Love, Attraction, Money, Happiness. Which yes matter from individual to individual.

styrene: Joker- Well thats how I saw it as well. x_x

DJoker: Well then, call us hopeless romantics, but I know enough success stories to know it's possible for my view lol.

styrene: Haha, that's true.
I suppose both sides happen. It just depends on which one you'd rather believe in.
For me, eh, I'm still in high school. Stuff changes, but for now, I'd like to stick to the idea that love plays a major role in relationships.

DJoker: Of course, there's no 100% answer for everyone, which was what I was trying to get it...in a wall of text.

For me, and some of my friends, high school felt like an exaggeration of emotions and events of life, mainly just drama, and views/values definitely change. Depends on what group you were stuck in though, if any at all. Quite frankly, they'll always be able to change if something triggers it.
I've had such a mindset since around gr.10 or 11 though...I always felt like I grew up too fast compared to my other friends.

And hey, I'm in 2nd year university, and I'm still believing in that view. My relationship with my girlfriend just concretes it even more :]
Though I'd like to find a job as soon as possible...almost any while in school...except I have absolutely no time, and no job is going to hire someone that can only work once a week right at the start.

xdog, they're just generalizations when you get down to it (the good boy bad boy thing). As cliche as this sounds, just be yourself.
And hey, at least you know that you're vain. That's pretty good already lol.