A Nub's Guide to General Tech
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READ BEFORE PURCHASE! MOST IMPORTANT THING! These items are based on opinion. They have been checked with some of my friends as well. Before posting, this is checked by AT LEAST one other person. Even though this is the case, WE ARE NOT PROFESSIONALS. Please, before purchase, check for compatibility with your existing parts. I will not be held responsible if you buy something and it does not work with your computer. READ BEFORE PMING If you PM me, I will read your message. If I do not respond, it is because I did not understand you (GRAMMAR) or because I don't think that what you are saying is relevant :/ ________________________________________________________________________________________________ Alright. I noticed that many people always inquire about ram, graphics cards, etc. Below is a list showing three examples of various hardware. It will show recommendations for for cheap, mid-price and expensive hardware. If I find some, I will post links to installation guides. CONTENTS Motherboards Graphics cards Hard drives RAM Processors AMD Processors Monitors Software Photo-Editing Video Editing Antivirus Anti Spyware Programming Languages Music Related Installation and relevant links as well as miscellaneous information LEGEND: Cheap Mid-price range Expensive MOTHERBOARDS Motherboards are something like the brain of your computer. All parts are attached to the motherboard. Before purchasing ANYTHING, check for motherboard compatibility. You should not really purchase a new motherboard unless you are building a computer from scratch. ATI hybrid graphics technology & mainstream DX10 gaming- $80.00 Intel BOXDG35EC LGA 775 Intel G35 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard- $95.00 GIGABYTE GA-EP35C-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Dynamic Energy Saver Ultra Durable II Intel Motherboard- $140.00 GRAPHICS CARDS A graphic card is component of a computer that improves the visual quality of the machine. The two main types are PCI and PCI-Express. Integrated graphics, is probably the worst type of card. It is integrated into the motherboard and has bad visual quality. It also does not allow for the running of many games (Ex: Magiboni). However, this does not mean you won't be able any games and just because you have non-integrated graphics does not mean you will run all games. All in all, more bitrate means better performance: xxlowongxx said: "A techy person could tell why a video card is worth it or not, a big deal is the bitrate. My video card runs at 128 bits a time, that is 2ce as fast as the external video card that you have listed, and mine is onboard. Lots of people would say, wow onboard video cards suck! But not all onboard video cards these days are 64MB @ 32bit." (Example Why to upgrade: upgrading your graphics card will allow for better quality of picture and might allow for playing more games (assuming your current card is quite bad.) EVGA: GeForce 7300GS 256MB-$45 XFX: 8500GT 256MB-$68 XFX: 8800GTX Extreme 768MB-$390 Chickenz said: "In the graphics card section you should mention that 8600GTS cards and up require a 6-pin connector to supply moar power. :0 ..." Dweomer said: "As a note, when I was buying my laptop last August the sales rep was very, very clear to never buy any graphics card made by Intel." HARD DRIVES Note: Based on size A hard drive is the component of a computer that allows for the storage of files. Without a hard drive you cannot download files and save files. A 250GB hard drive should be enough for a personal use computer. An internal hard drive requires installation to the PC's interior while an exterior can usually be attached through a USB port. Why to upgrade: If you have enough space for your files there is no reason to buy a bigger hard drive. However, if you are running out of space (10GB or less), I recommend deleting useless files, limiting your downloading/file creation or upgrading your hard drive. Seagate Barracuda 250GB-$65 HITACHI 250GB-$95 Maxtor (external) 750GB-$170 RAM RAM generally allows increase in computer performance. RAM stands for Random Access Memory and most games require at least 1GB. If more RAM is obtained, you will be able to run more applications simultaneously without a decrease in computer speed. PCs have four slots for RAM, which comes in the form of a stick link .Each stick can hold 1GB, allowing for a total of 4GB of Random Access Memory. Why to upgrade: upgrading your RAM to at least 2GB may increase your computer's performance a noticeable amount. It should also allow for the running of multiple applications without a decrease in your computer's performance. DDR2 RAM-- 50$ Very good deal IMO. $60 off--$70 (DDR2) INTEL PROCESSORS NOTE: I don't know too much about these. iMicrosoft said: "And for processor make sure its compatible with your motherboard" A processor (also called a CPU) essentially controls everything your computer does. The higher the GHZ (gigahertz), the faster data is processed, the better the performance. There are three types of processors currently on the market: Single core Duo core Quad core Why to upgrade: Upgrading your processor will increase your computer's performance. Personally, I think that 2GHZ Duo core is enough. N0dleBandit said: "... The application uses all cores to lay out it's work on the 4 cores so there's less stress on 1 core.. You can't just buy any processor without knowing if your motherboard fits the process size like that processor is based on the 45nm process which only work on newer motherboards and only on Socket 775. If you don't know the difference between Core 2 Extreme and Core 2 Quad don't get it. If you don't play hardcore games, overclock, do DivX encodes, Photoshop etc don't get a Quad. And people who play Maple don't need a 8800 or even a dual core since Maple will only be using 1 core of the CPU then." If your a cheapskate-$60 Decent, 2.33GHZ DUO-$170 Quad core: 2.4GHZ-$244 Quad: 3.2GHZ-about $1500 AMD PROCESSORS tacocrusher said: "AMD Processors: -Cheap -Used to overheat in the past; newer cpu models come w/ liquid cooling so they stay cool; can't overclock above like 3.5% without a crapload of fan noise -The speed compared to a similar intel one is unnoticable -Use it if you're on a budget -Cheapskate 2.2 GHz one: link (adequate; one core) [$40] -Very good 2.8 GHz one: link (decent; two cores) [$163] -Very good 2.5 GHz one: link (good; four cores) [$235] -t3h uber smecks 3.2 GHz one: link (good; two cores) [163] I basically just copied what you wrote :p" Why to upgrade: Upgrading your processor will increase your computer's performance. Personally, I think that 2GHZ Duo core is enough. MONITORS The monitor is the screen of you computer. Everything that you do on your computer is seen in the monitor. Upgrading this component will result in better visual quality. Or maybe you will just get a bigger screen :D Acer AL2016WBbd Black 20" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor- $200.00 BenQ T241W Black 24" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with Height and Pivot Adjustments- $340.00 Hanns·G HG-281DPB Black 28" 3ms Widescreen LCD HDMI Monitor- $490.00 ________________________________________________________________________________________________ K. Also, please note: do not buy these right away. Make sure that they are right for you and if your upgrading, that your computer is compatible with them. Any input or recommendations welcome. Also, if I made any mistakes please state them and they will be corrected. MY SHAMEFUL COMPUTER My 1GB of ram Graphics card-XFX: 8500GT 256MB Same as mentioned 'cept 512MB Can't find my processor. 2.8GHZ Duo Hard drive 230GB SOFTWARE GUIDE Section created: August 7th, 2008: 19.26 BT I have noticed that since my time on Basil there were threads concerning things such as antivirus, photo-editing and other software. This guide will list some software useful in many fields. I will rate this as follows: Simplest uses Intermediate (Semi) Professional *My choice CONTENTS Photo-Editing Video Editing Antivirus Anti Spyware Programming Languages Music Related Photo-Editing Software This is probably the most questioned type of software. What is it? It allows for the manipulation of pictures; you can colour, draw, and combine pictures to look realistic. This software can be used in things such as comic making. MS Paint Microsoft Paint should come pre-installed on Windows machines. If you do not have it you should look around. I was unable to find a reliable link for this software. This software is the simplest photo editing program. It does not have many professional uses but can be used for things such as comics. It contains simple functions such as filling in areas, making shapes, and drawing. A Screenshot of the MSPaint interface PaintNET This software is similar to Photoshop. It allows for a semi-professional manipulation of pictures and has more advanced features such as layers and layer effects. Interface: link [http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshop/]Photoshop CS3: Link to trial; Cost: $649.00[/url]* A very good program used even by professionals. It is very expensive so you shouldn't get it unless you need or unless you can find it cheaper (ie, older versions or eBay.) This program allows for extremely good photo editing as mentioned and can even be used to create pictures that look real but are not. Features include the basic stuff (pencil, brush, etc) but also advanced use of layers and layer effects. Interface Other related applications: Maplesim : Banned Story for creating comic characters Apophysis Allows for creation of interesting and often abstract images Terragen 2 : A scenery creator. Not free. Video Editing Video editing software allows for the manipulation of videos. You can combine video clips, make cartoons (if you're really good) and add effects to movies (black and white, fast forward). I personally do not do much video editing. Windows Movie Maker* A simple editor that allows for combination of clips and some video effects. Audio is also supported. Screen: link A variety of products with different prices. Choose what suits you A more advanced editing software. I never personally used it but it is recommended by many. Screen: link heyitsmexD: You could add DivX Author to video editing. link[/quote] Antivirus Antivirus offers protection against harmful programs. More than one can mess up your machine. If anti-spyware is not included, please refer to the next section. Avast! Home edition. Free for non-commercial uses Wikipedia said: " * Standard Shield — Real-time protection * Anti-rootkit — Built-in protection * Anti-spyware — Built-in protection * IM shield — Instant Messenger protection * P2P shield — P2P protection * Internet Mail — E-mail protection * Outlook/Exchange — Microsoft Outlook/Exchange protection * Web Shield — HTTP protection (localtransparent proxy) * Script blocker — script checker (Pro version only) * Network Shield — basic protection against well-known network worms. Acts as a lightweight Intrusion Detection System * Audible alarms — vocal warnings such as "Caution, a virus has been detected!" * Boot-time scan — through the program interface, a user can schedule a boot-time scan to remove viruses that load during Windows startup and are therefore difficult to remove. A very important feature especially for viruses written to shut-down the virus protection as soon as Windows starts. * Self-Protection — Prevents malware from terminating Avast! processes and damaging Avast! files. * Skinnable — Program is skinnable GUI. * Virus definition updates — Avast updates its virus definitions on a regular basis (sometimes multiple times a day), and this process is automated by default. * The virus chest is quarantine folder where "infected files" can be stored. The chest causes the files' usage to be disabled and is meant to prevent them from causing any harm. The virus chest also stores vital system files to prevent them from virus damage. They still can be run, but the access to the file by any source or other program is blocked until it is removed from the chest. Registration (Home Edition) Avast! needs to be registered after the first 60 days of use. After registering, a license key is e-mailed and can be used for only one year. After one year, the user is required to re-register. Despite registration, the program is still free for home use." AVG Free Edition Wikipedia said: "Less protection - AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition 8.0 provides only base level protection against viruses, spyware and safe searching. It does not provide safe surfing (drive-by download protection) nor protection from hackers, keyloggers, spam, phishing attacks and malicious file downloads that can come through instant messaging and attachments from seemingly friendly sources. This protection is only available in the commercial versions of AVG products." Bitdeffender trial download. Choose the one most beneficial to you.* Product features/comparisons Malwarebytes: Epic for infection removal Kaspersky Antivirus Antivirus list and comparisons Comparisson between three free AVs Anti-Spyware This software protects against malicious software that is used to steal personal information (keyloggers, etc.) Having multiple anti spyware will not mess up your computer. This software can be used if you want to feel safer or if your antivirus lacks it. NOTE: I do not use anti spyware Ad Aware; Free + paid versions. Recommended by many Spyware Doctor Drive Sentry Wikipedia said: "# PC Tools's Spyware Doctor ( one free edition doesn't remove anything but protects, the other free edition removes but protects partially and uses a limited database) # DriveSentry (free version (3.1) will remove spyware)" Wikipedia said: "...real-time protection and anti-virus protection are not included with this version. Real-time protection and other advanced features are available in the paid versions of Ad-Aware 2008." PC MAG: Antivrus/Spyware Reviews For Building Programs This software is used for the creation of Windows programs. I will post guides later on. Windows/Microsoft Programming languages: link Visual Basic 2008 Productivity that is ideal for first time or casual Windows programming. Visual C# A great combination of power and productivity for the Windows developer. Visual C++ Horsepower with a finer degree of control than other Express Editions. Music Management WILL WRITE LATER Installation and Relevant Links as well as Miscellaneous Information (FROM HERE UNTIL THE BOTTOM) Installation Guides: The Crucial Memory Advisor� tool is a quick, 3-step process to find guaranteed-compatible memory for computers and motherboards. Breif graphics card installation Video: How to install a graphics card Processor installation Processor video RAM installation RAM video Hard Drive installation Hard drive vid CHECKING YOUR CURRENT PARTS Download and install PC Wizard Or CPU-Z. I think that the prior is better, however. OTHER LINKS Computer security and resources MS problems + solutions Can this PC run MS? Kid24's tech stuff. JPNgamer's IRC guide Look like vista Computer Jargon Glossary EXPLANATIONS Graphics card: Changes how stuff (videos, pics, GAMES) look on your computer. Some games require an actual graphics card, not integrated. Ram: GENERALLY improves computer speed, and decreases lag, allowing for use of several apps at once without slowing down your PC. Hard Drive: Allows for for storage of files. More space means more things can be saved on your computer. Processor:Essentially controls everything your computer does. More GHZ means it can process data at a quicker pace, increasing performance. WHERE TO BUY COMPUTER PARTS link Newegg link PC world ( recommended by maplesoul2) link Tiger direct (recommended by lilvboy) link (recommended by lonesoldier1 for Canadians) CHEAP COMPUTER Other Info Cheap Computer: tacocrusher said: "MB (Gigabit lan, sound, video [dx10]): link (I got it on a sale before; now $70) Processor (2 cores, 2.8GHz, 2MB Cache): link ($122) HDD (160gb, 7200rpm): link ($45) Power (Atx, 480w): link ($13) Case: link ($24) Edited: Forgot to put cd/os CD (sata, cdrom): link ($14) OS (XP Pro OEM): link ($140) Total: $427... you might want to upgrade the hard disk and cd drives This is all from one site, but you can probably get it cheaper if you search multiple sites. And this is pretty good if you have a tight budget ($427)." ultracheese said: "You should add a link to the Free Software Directory up there. It has a lot of great alternatives to the software you listed and they're all free and open source. Some of them don't have Windows versions though." All input/comments will be considered/appreciated. EDIT: Many thanks for the sticky mrbasil and Nigi for the title change Last edit: September 29th 2008 at 18:24BT: Added links I will allow the distribution of this thread as long as credit is given.
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ali4z said: "Remember, expensive does not always (actually quite seldom) equal best. Take the Maxtor disk you suggested: Maxtor has always been known for producing disks with a high sector fault probability factor, they are unstable and were pretty far behind when it came to performance compared to other manufacturers, however they were usually more silent. The reason the disk you have on your list is so expensive is because it is external. Which also means the bottleneck with this device is it's I/O, which is USB 2.0. USB is a very slow compared to other newer interfaces, like firewire or eSATA. So basically, you are paying more for worse. Only positive thing about it is that it is external. (if that can be considered positive.) @Threadstarter: Your list is actually quite minimalistic. Because when you buy a piece of hardware, there are only two things that really matters IMO: "What do you need it for?" and "How much are you willing to spend on it?". Example: Do you want a silent or a heavy duty computer? (Those two almost never go hand in hand) Do you want it for text editing, number crunching, games or something else? All these questions and many many more play in on your choice of hardware. For hard disks, it would be performance vs capacity: Performance: SCSI disks (very expensive(size-price ratio)) or a Raptor SATA disk (less expensive). And if you're really hardcore, get a RAID controller. Capacity: Any interface (preferably SATA), but ATLEAST 1TB of space. I could go on and on all day about different hardware recommendations for most setups and architectures, but I just don't got the time nor interest. PS: Don't expect to get a reply here, I'm hardly EVER on basilmarket.com. Though you might find me at mapleanime.com under the same login name. (Report me for "advertising", I don't give a turd OMGAWDDDD YOU? ON BASIL AGAIN? NO WAI New Pic: Lookie here
LiLSquiggy75 said: " OMGAWDDDD YOU? ON BASIL AGAIN? NO WAI" I don't remember him Am I missing something? D: LiLSquiggy75 said: "YOU? ON BASIL AGAIN? " No. EDIT: Actually, the answer to your question is directly inverted to the following question: Is Mr.Basil still a complete asshat? Kazum said: " I don't remember him Am I missing something? D:" How long have you been here? New Blog: MAN'S PENIS AMPUTATED
I like the simple guide that you made, but I have some stuff to say about the video cards,
My onboard video card (nvidia 6200 @ 128 bit with 256MB) runs high requirement games just fine. In fact, My onboard video card, comes from a motherboard that cost me around $80. And that is the whole motherboard, for 80$. Including a video card better than the ones you have listed there. I'm talking about the first 2 cards. You would say, the more MB on a video card, the better and faster it is, but it does not work like that. That is just trick that fabrics use to fool people into buying a cheap high MB video card, because everyone knows... its all about the MB. (sarcasm) A techy person could tell why a video card is worth it or not, a big deal is the bitrate. My video card runs at 128 bits a time, that is 2ce as fast as the external video card that you have listed, and mine is onboard. Lots of people would say, wow onboard video cards suck! But not all onboard video cards these days are 64MB @ 32bit. Now your 3rd video card is good, it has a bitrate higher than 256 and the memmory clock is higher too, no wonder it is so expensive. I hope I did not post all this for nothing and hope you learned something from me lol, nice guide For the record, a video card with 128 mb with a bitrate of 128 bits a time, will run way better than a 512 MB videocard with 64 bits at a time. xxlowongxx said: "I like the simple guide that you made, but I have some stuff to say about the video cards, My onboard video card (nvidia 6200 @ 128 bit with 256MB) runs high requirement games just fine. In fact, My onboard video card, comes from a motherboard that cost me around $80. And that is the whole motherboard, for 80$. Including a video card better than the ones you have listed there. I'm talking about the first 2 cards. You would say, the more MB on a video card, the better and faster it is, but it does not work like that. That is just trick that fabrics use to fool people into buying a cheap high MB video card, because everyone knows... its all about the MB. (sarcasm) A techy person could tell why a video card is worth it or not, a big deal is the bitrate. My video card runs at 128 bits a time, that is 2ce as fast as the external video card that you have listed, and mine is onboard. Lots of people would say, wow onboard video cards suck! But not all onboard video cards these days are 64MB @ 32bit. Now your 3rd video card is good, it has a bitrate higher than 256 and the memmory clock is higher too, no wonder it is so expensive. I hope I did not post all this for nothing and hope you learned something from me lol, nice guide For the record, a video card with 128 mb with a bitrate of 128 bits a time, will run way better than a 512 MB videocard with 64 bits at a time." Noted and will be replaced (when newegg stops lagging. I wanna post from newegg throughout.).
Memory does make quite a bit of difference. In a benchmark, Nvidia 8800GT 512MB > Nvidia 9600GT 512MB > Nvidia 8800GT 256MB. I think that you are going to need sufficient memory to handle the current intensive games (Crysis) and to future-proof yourself. EDIT: Clarification; what he said was very true. You need a powerful chip to be able to actually utilize all of that memory. Among the same models though, be sure to try and get at least 256MB if it's a sub-$100 card, or 512MB if you're buying one right now.
About CPUs, I did stumble upon an article that was very interesting. link If you're not willing to get your hands dirty, you can overclock the Intel E2160 to 3.2GHz on an aftermarket cooler and up to 2.8 on the factory cooler that ships with it. Raising the voltage and OCing will shorten the life, yes, but it's not likely that you're going to use this chip for more than 2 years. It's also $70 on NewEgg right now, and squeezing 2 years of value out of that much money will be a great deal anyways. link swengw said: "Memory does make quite a bit of difference. In a benchmark, Nvidia 8800GT 512MB > Nvidia 9600GT 512MB > Nvidia 8800GT 256MB. I think that you are going to need sufficient memory to handle the current intensive games (Crysis) and to future-proof yourself. EDIT: Clarification; what he said was very true. You need a powerful chip to be able to actually utilize all of that memory. Among the same models though, be sure to try and get at least 256MB if it's a sub-$100 card, or 512MB if you're buying one right now. " Depends, as always, fully on what you are going to use it for. On any monitor that runs on under 1280x1024 resolution does not need loads of internal graphic memory (more than 256MB), not even for heavy games like Crysis, but a fast processing unit (GPU). This is because what takes up most of the memory in real time rendered games is all the rendering matrices, such as the z-buffer(in 3d), color buffers (usually double or triple), texture buffers and so on. These matrices (two dimensional arrays) stores information about all the pixels on your monitor that gets drawn and take up quite a lot of memory. Lets say you are rendering at 1280x1024. 1280*1024=1310720 pixels. Each pixel takes up 13 byes in the color buffer so 13 bytes * 1310720 pixels = 17039360 bytes, or 16.25MB. And because of compression, theese arrays can easily be put in 16MB of memory each (except the texture buffers). Also textures make a big difference in memory allocation when it comes to graphics. For example in a 256x256 mipmapped 5551 texture: 256*256 = 65536 texels. Each textel takes up 2 bytes of memory and with mipmapping filtering, it is multiplied with 4/3. 65536 texels * 2 * (4/3) = 174762 bytes, or 171kB. And when you have thousand of these in one scene, you can imagine the memory allocation becomes quite heavy. (Mipmapping is a pretty low filtering method, Anisotropy uses a 16:1 filtering level, which would require 12 times the memory as mipmapping would). So when choosing a memory card, memory only REALLY matters for two things when it comes to real time rendering: Textures and resolution. Every other aspect in real time rendering (or most anyways), like vertexes, buffer swapping and anti-aliasing, is GPU dependant. I personally have a Geforce 8800 GTS with only a total of 320MB memory. I have been clocking both the GPU and memory, and so far, the speed seems of the components seem to matter far more than the actual memory cap. Have yet to find any game I cannot run without rendering lag. Kazum said: " I don't remember him Am I missing something? D:" ali4z is a gal. She's old school. :] New Pic: Lookie here
wow why didn't I notice this BEFORE I made my recent notebook dell purchase? x_X
No matter, it appears that all of my decisions are supported by this guide. LimusocoBobo said: "wow why didn't I notice this BEFORE I made my recent notebook dell purchase? x_X No matter, it appears that all of my decisions are supported by this guide. Glad to hear
What you pay is what you get. I hear people say 2GB and 4GB have little differences.
KingEvilPast said: "What you pay is what you get. I hear people say 2GB and 4GB have little differences." 4GB is twice as much as 2GB. If you'll need more, get more. If not, then it's not going to make any difference. :P ali4z said: " 4GB is twice as much as 2GB. If you'll need more, get more. If not, then it's not going to make any difference. :P" Actually, having more RAM does make a reasonable amount of difference in performance. Corsair, a well known RAM manufacturer did an analysis of 2GB vs 4GB and they have concluded that 4GB of RAM was performing better than 2GB; though usage of 2GB was never peaked. Heres the link: link |