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READ BEFORE PURCHASE! MOST IMPORTANT THING!


These items are based on opinion. They have been checked with some of my friends as well. Before posting, this is checked by AT LEAST one other person. Even though this is the case, WE ARE NOT PROFESSIONALS. Please, before purchase, check for compatibility with your existing parts. I will not be held responsible if you buy something and it does not work with your computer.

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If you PM me, I will read your message. If I do not respond, it is because I did not understand you (GRAMMAR) or because I don't think that what you are saying is relevant :/

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Alright. I noticed that many people always inquire about ram, graphics cards, etc. Below is a list showing three examples of various hardware. It will show recommendations for for cheap, mid-price and expensive hardware. If I find some, I will post links to installation guides.

CONTENTS


Motherboards
Graphics cards
Hard drives
RAM
Processors
AMD Processors
Monitors

Software

Photo-Editing
Video Editing
Antivirus
Anti Spyware
Programming Languages
Music Related

Installation and relevant links as well as miscellaneous information

[quote]LEGEND:
• Cheap
• • Mid-price range
• • • Expensive
[/quote]


MOTHERBOARDS


Motherboards are something like the brain of your computer. All parts are attached to the motherboard. Before purchasing ANYTHING, check for motherboard compatibility. You should not really purchase a new motherboard unless you are building a computer from scratch.


ATI hybrid graphics technology & mainstream DX10 gaming- $80.00
• • Intel BOXDG35EC LGA 775 Intel G35 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard- $95.00
• • • GIGABYTE GA-EP35C-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Dynamic Energy Saver Ultra Durable II Intel Motherboard- $140.00


GRAPHICS CARDS


A graphic card is component of a computer that improves the visual quality of the machine. The two main types are PCI and PCI-Express. Integrated graphics, is probably the worst type of card. It is integrated into the motherboard and has bad visual quality. It also does not allow for the running of many games (Ex: Magiboni). However, this does not mean you won't be able any games and just because you have non-integrated graphics does not mean you will run all games. All in all, more bitrate means better performance:
xxlowongxx: A techy person could tell why a video card is worth it or not, a big deal is the bitrate. My video card runs at 128 bits a time, that is 2ce as fast as the external video card that you have listed, and mine is onboard. Lots of people would say, wow onboard video cards suck! But not all onboard video cards these days are 64MB @ 32bit.

(Example

[quote]skye09: Also, there are MANY games that can be played on integrated graphics perfectly fine, including newer games. The only difference is that High-End Graphics cards allow for better Visual effects/quality/realism, such as the utilization of Motion Blur, Anti-Aliasing and Anisotropic Filtering. ( well, they also allow for more monitors but they are mainly used for visual effects ).[/quote]

Why to upgrade: upgrading your graphics card will allow for better quality of picture and might allow for playing more games (assuming your current card is quite bad.)

eLeeThax: My comments:
First, a graphics card does NOT improve the visual quality of the machine. What it really improves is frame rates, and the time it takes to render a frame.
Actually, PCI cards are not even produced anymore. Its all about PCI-E nowadays. Perhaps you can find an AGP card or two, but those are practically long gone.
Integrated graphics are not a card, its an integrated chip on the motherboard.
Actually, bitrate is not necessarily more performance. That is just measuring the speed of the data stream. What you should be paying attention to is the amount of SP(Stream processors), Core Clock, Shader Clock(Some older cards may not use this), Memory Clock, Memory type, amount of Memory, and what type of core it uses. I would suggest that you take a look at Hard OCP (www.hardocp.com) if your about to buy a card, and look at the graphics card reviews.
Obviously, the sales rep wants you to buy more stuff, and spend more money. That probably is a factor in that comment. nVidia / ATI cards cost more money. And, Intel does NOT make graphics CARDS, only integrated CHIPS. The chip is located on the motherboard, while the card is in a peripheral slot. Almost all motherboards come with an integrated Intel GMA chip. It is the decision on whenever to buy a graphics card that really matters. If you were to want to play MS, surf the net, watch some flash videos, play some flash games, chat, etc., a Intel GMA chip would be fine. However, if the point of that computer was to attempt to play Crysis or something similar at max graphics, a high-end graphics card is a must. For Crysis, the only cards that actually does anything at max graphics, and around 1650:1050 or above would be the nVidia GTX275, GTX280, GTX285, GTX295, ATI 4870, 4890, 4870x2. Of course, SLI or Crossfire combinations of earlier cards may work, and provide better framerates than one of these cards. It all depends on what card, and what clock speeds it is set to.


EVGA: GeForce 7300GS 256MB-$45
• • XFX: 8500GT 256MB-$68
• • • XFX: 8800GTX Extreme 768MB-$390
Chickenz: In the graphics card section you should mention that 8600GTS cards and up require a 6-pin connector to supply more power. :0
...


Dweomer: As a note, when I was buying my laptop last August the sales rep was very, very clear to never buy any graphics card made by Intel.





HARD DRIVES


Note: Based on size

A hard drive is the component of a computer that allows for the storage of files. Without a hard drive you cannot download files and save files; you can't doing anything. A 250GB hard drive should be enough for a personal use computer. An internal hard drive requires installation to the PC's interior while an exterior can usually be attached through a USB port.

Why to upgrade: If you have enough space for your files there is no reason to buy a bigger hard drive. However, if you are running out of space (10GB or less), I recommend deleting useless files, limiting your downloading/file creation or upgrading your hard drive.

eLeeThax: On the hard drives section, I would recommend a 500GB or a 1TB hard drive, they're so cheap now that a 500GB can go for $40-50, and a 1TB can go for about $70-80, all depending on brand, model, and design. Of course, if it is just a personal use computer, the difference between 80MBPS and 50MBPS is probably not noticeable, except in benchmarks, which is not the point of a personal use computer. BTW, 1TB = ~1000GB
Again, those prices are outdated. For the price of that 750GB, I can get a 1.5TB WD Green. Not really much more to say.



Seagate Barracuda 250GB-$65
• • HITACHI 250GB-$95
• • • Maxtor (external) 750GB-$170

RAM


RAM generally allows increase in computer performance. RAM stands for Random Access Memory and most games require at least 1GB. If more RAM is obtained, you will be able to run more applications simultaneously without a decrease in computer speed. PCs can generally hold 2-4 sticks of RAM, ranging from 128mb -- 4GB.

Why to upgrade: upgrading your RAM to at least 2GB may increase your computer's performance a noticeable amount. It should also allow for the running of multiple applications without a decrease in your computer's performance. There are various types of RAM, IE DDR, DDR2, SDRAM. Crucial.com can be used to check the type of RAM.

eLeeThax:
Uh, for the RAM section, a decently priced desktop computer, about $700-800, usually now has about 6-12GB RAM. Computer manufacturers seem to think that we really need that RAM, and that putting 12GB of 400MHZ or 667MHZ RAM really does something except make the buyer go "OMG! THERES 12GB OF RAM! MOM, I REALLY WANT THAT COMPUTER". Except, 4GB of RAM probably is enough for now, except in benchmarks and virtual machines. But, if you were the type to run 5-10 virtual machines at a time, or a be obsessed with benchmarks, you probably will know how much you need.



DDR2 RAM-- 50$
Very good deal IMO. $60 off--$70 (DDR2)

INTEL PROCESSORS


NOTE: I don't know too much about these.

iMicrosoft: And for processor make sure its compatible with your motherboard


A processor (also called a CPU) essentially controls everything your computer does. The higher the GHZ (gigahertz), the faster data is processed, the better the performance. There are three types of processors currently on the market:

• Single core
• Duo core
• Quad core

Why to upgrade: Upgrading your processor will increase your computer's performance. Personally, I think that 2GHZ Duo core is enough.

eLeeThax: Actually, there are also tri-cores, obviously, with three cores. Only AMD makes these, they are designated as <AMD Phenom II 8xx>, or <AMD Phenom X3 xxxx>.
Also, different CPUS can use different sockets. For example, some Pentium 4, all C2D, and all but one C2Q use LGA775. Some Pentium 4 use socket 478. Most current AMD CPUs use AM3, AM2+, and AM2. Of course, this doesn't include server CPU sockets, seeing that if you run a 1U or 2U rack server, you probably will already know all of this.


N0dleBandit: ... The application uses all cores to lay out it's work on the 4 cores so there's less stress on 1 core.. You can't just buy any processor without knowing if your motherboard fits the process size like that processor is based on the 45nm process which only work on newer motherboards and only on Socket 775. If you don't know the difference between Core 2 Extreme and Core 2 Quad don't get it. If you don't play hardcore games, overclock, do DivX encodes, Photoshop etc don't get a Quad. And people who play Maple don't need a 8800 or even a dual core since Maple will only be using 1 core of the CPU then.


[quote]Yes. He is quite right. For example, some 965 based motherboards cannot run anything based on the 45nm manufacturing die size. Some G31-G35 also may not be able to. It all depends on how the manufacturer designed the motherboard. If you were about to buy a motherboard, download and READ THROUGH THE ENTIRE MANUAL. Make sure to check about spacing, and if the motherboard will support the CPU. Most manufacturers have a list on their site that tells what CPUs will work on that particular board.

For example, in Maplestory, a 2.0 Pentium 4, Intel GMA, and 512-1GB RAM is usually enough to play well without lag on the computer's side. The internet lagging is another thing. If you can move around and shoot arrows or whatever, and everything else is not moving, even when you attack a monster, that means its the internet lagging. When the computer is lagging, the WHOLE screen suddenly freezes, or the whole screen jumps, not just your character.
[/quote]

AMD MOTHERBOARDS WILL NEVER SUPPORT AN INTEL CPU.
INTEL MOTHERBOARDS WILL NEVER SUPPORT AN AMD CPU.
NOPE. NOT NOW, NOT EVER. NEVER INTERCHANGEABLE.

If your a cheapskate-$60
Decent, 2.33GHZ DUO-$170
• • Quad core: 2.4GHZ-$244
• • • • Quad: 3.2GHZ-about $1500


AMD PROCESSORS


tacocrusher: AMD Processors:

-Cheap
-Used to overheat in the past; newer cpu models come w/ liquid cooling so they stay cool; can't overclock above like 3.5% without a crapload of fan noise
-The speed compared to a similar intel one is unnoticable
-Use it if you're on a budget

-Cheapskate 2.2 GHz one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103199 (adequate; one core) [$40]
-Very good 2.8 GHz one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103228 (decent; two cores) [$163]
-Very good 2.5 GHz one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103249 (good; four cores) [$235]
-t3h uber smecks 3.2 GHz one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103228 (good; two cores) [163]

I basically just copied what you wrote :p

Why to upgrade: Upgrading your processor will increase your computer's performance. Personally, I think that 2GHZ Duo core is enough.



MONITORS


The monitor is the screen of you computer. Everything that you do on your computer is seen in the monitor. Upgrading this component will result in better visual quality. Or maybe you will just get a bigger screen :D

eLeeThax: Again, about those monitor prices, a 22" can go for anywhere between $150 to $500. It just depends on what kind of features the monitor has, the response time (anything less then 6ms is fine, not really noticeable), refresh rate (some monitors will support only up to 59HZ, some may support up to 120HZ, the higher, the better. It is just how many times the screen refreshes per second.), and overall quality. What monitor to pick really just depends on the use of the computer. A higher refresh rate and lower response time would probably be good if you play CS: Source or something similar all day. That extra 1-3 milliseconds could mean that you get to shoot that terrorist in the head first, or if you get shot first. However, if the purpose was to play Maplestory, a similar RPG, surf the net, chat, etc., you can save some money by going with a monitor with higher response times and a lower refresh rate. Maplestory and other RPG games don't really care if you start moving a couple of milliseconds later.


Acer AL2016WBbd Black 20" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor- $200.00
• • BenQ T241W Black 24" 5ms HDMI Widescreen LCD Monitor with Height and Pivot Adjustments- $340.00
• • • Hanns·G HG-281DPB Black 28" 3ms Widescreen LCD HDMI Monitor- $490.00

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K. Also, please note: do not buy these right away. Make sure that they are right for you and if your upgrading, that your computer is compatible with them.

Any input or recommendations welcome. Also, if I made any mistakes please state them and they will be corrected.

MY SHAMEFUL COMPUTER


My 1GB of ram
• • Graphics card-XFX: 8500GT 256MB Same as mentioned 'cept 512MB
• Can't find my processor. 2.8GHZ Duo
• Hard drive 230GB






SOFTWARE GUIDE


Section created: August 7th, 2008: 19.26 BT


I have noticed that since my time on Basil there were threads concerning things such as antivirus, photo-editing and other software. This guide will list some software useful in many fields. I will rate this as follows:

[quote]
• Simplest uses
• • Intermediate
• • • (Semi) Professional
*My choice
[/quote]

CONTENTS


Photo-Editing
Video Editing
Antivirus
Anti Spyware
Programming Languages
Music Related

Photo-Editing Software


This is probably the most questioned type of software. What is it? It allows for the manipulation of pictures; you can colour, draw, and combine pictures to look realistic. This software can be used in things such as comic making.

• MS Paint

Microsoft Paint should come pre-installed on Windows machines. If you do not have it you should look around. I was unable to find a reliable link for this software. This software is the simplest photo editing program. It does not have many professional uses but can be used for things such as comics. It contains simple functions such as filling in areas, making shapes, and drawing.

A Screenshot of the MSPaint interface

• • PaintNET

This software is similar to Photoshop. It allows for a semi-professional manipulation of pictures and has more advanced features such as layers and layer effects.

Interface: http://www.getpaint.net/screenshots/pdn310_car.jpg

• • • [http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/photoshop/]Photoshop CS3: Link to trial; Cost: $649.00[/url] *

A very good program used even by professionals. It is very expensive so you shouldn't get it unless you need or unless you can find it cheaper (ie, older versions or eBay.)

This program allows for extremely good photo editing as mentioned and can even be used to create pictures that look real but are not. Features include the basic stuff (pencil, brush, etc) but also advanced use of layers and layer effects.

Interface

XxSparkehxX: ...my personal favorite Graphic's editing program, it's called The GIMP and i find it to be a great tool and im pretty sure it's open source.
Gimps homepage = http://www.gimp.org/


Other related applications:

Maplesim : Banned Story for creating comic characters
Apophysis Allows for creation of interesting and often abstract images
Terragen 2 : A scenery creator. Not free.

Video Editing


Video editing software allows for the manipulation of videos. You can combine video clips, make cartoons (if you're really good) and add effects to movies (black and white, fast forward). I personally do not do much video editing.

Windows Movie Maker*

A simple editor that allows for combination of clips and some video effects. Audio is also supported.


Screen: http://www.winsupersite.com/images/reviews/wmm2_01.gif

• • • A variety of products with different prices. Choose what suits you

A more advanced editing software. I never personally used it but it is recommended by many.

Screen: http://www.cgfocus.com/images/user/vegas_tim/SonyVegas_01.jpg

• heyitsmexD: You could add DivX Author to video editing.
http://www.divx.com/divx/windows/author/detail.php[/quote]



Antivirus


Antivirus offers protection against harmful programs. More than one can mess up your machine. If anti-spyware is not included, please refer to the next section.

Avast! Home edition. Free for non-commercial uses

Wikipedia:
* Standard Shield — Real-time protection
* Anti-rootkit — Built-in protection
* Anti-spyware — Built-in protection
* IM shield — Instant Messenger protection
* P2P shield — P2P protection
* Internet Mail — E-mail protection
* Outlook/Exchange — Microsoft Outlook/Exchange protection
* Web Shield — HTTP protection (localtransparent proxy)
* Script blocker — script checker (Pro version only)
* Network Shield — basic protection against well-known network worms. Acts as a lightweight Intrusion Detection System
* Audible alarms — vocal warnings such as "Caution, a virus has been detected!"
* Boot-time scan — through the program interface, a user can schedule a boot-time scan to remove viruses that load during Windows startup and are therefore difficult to remove. A very important feature especially for viruses written to shut-down the virus protection as soon as Windows starts.
* Self-Protection — Prevents malware from terminating Avast! processes and damaging Avast! files.
* Skinnable — Program is skinnable GUI.
* Virus definition updates — Avast updates its virus definitions on a regular basis (sometimes multiple times a day), and this process is automated by default.
* The virus chest is quarantine folder where "infected files" can be stored. The chest causes the files' usage to be disabled and is meant to prevent them from causing any harm. The virus chest also stores vital system files to prevent them from virus damage. They still can be run, but the access to the file by any source or other program is blocked until it is removed from the chest.

Registration (Home Edition)

Avast! needs to be registered after the first 60 days of use. After registering, a license key is e-mailed and can be used for only one year. After one year, the user is required to re-register. Despite registration, the program is still free for home use.


AVG Free Edition

Wikipedia: Less protection - AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition 8.0 provides only base level protection against viruses, spyware and safe searching. It does not provide safe surfing (drive-by download protection) nor protection from hackers, keyloggers, spam, phishing attacks and malicious file downloads that can come through instant messaging and attachments from seemingly friendly sources. This protection is only available in the commercial versions of AVG products.


Bitdeffender trial download. Choose the one most beneficial to you. *
Product features/comparisons

Malwarebytes: Epic for infection removal

Kaspersky Antivirus


Antivirus list and comparisons
Comparisson between three free AVs

Anti-Spyware


This software protects against malicious software that is used to steal personal information (keyloggers, etc.) Having multiple anti spyware will not mess up your computer. This software can be used if you want to feel safer or if your antivirus lacks it.

Ad Aware; Free + paid versions. Recommended by many
Spyware Doctor
Drive Sentry
SUPERantispyware
Spyware Doctor from Google Pack

Wikipedia: # PC Tools's Spyware Doctor ( one free edition doesn't remove anything but protects, the other free edition removes but protects partially and uses a limited database)
# DriveSentry (free version (3.1) will remove spyware)


Wikipedia: ...real-time protection and anti-virus protection are not included with this version. Real-time protection and other advanced features are available in the paid versions of Ad-Aware 2008.


PC MAG: Antivrus/Spyware Reviews

For Building Programs


This software is used for the creation of Windows programs. I will post guides later on.

Windows/Microsoft Programming languages:

http://www.microsoft.com/express/download/

• Visual Basic 2008

[quote]Productivity that is ideal for first time or casual Windows programming.[/quote]

• Visual C#

[quote]A great combination of power and productivity for the Windows developer.[/quote]

• Visual C++

[quote]Horsepower with a finer degree of control than other Express Editions.[/quote]

Music Management/Editing


Audacity, recommended by XxSparkehxX

WILL WRITE LATER



Installation and Relevant Links as well as Miscellaneous Information (FROM HERE UNTIL THE BOTTOM)


Installation Guides:

The Crucial Memory Advisor� tool is a quick, 3-step process to find guaranteed-compatible memory for computers and motherboards.

Breif graphics card installation
Video: How to install a graphics card

Processor installation
Processor video

RAM installation
RAM video

Hard Drive installation
Hard drive vid

CHECKING YOUR CURRENT PARTS


Download and install PC Wizard
Or CPU-Z. I think that the prior is better, however.
OTHER LINKS


Why popular AVs may not be as effective
Computer security and resources
MS problems + solutions
Can this PC run MS?
Kid24's tech stuff.
JPNgamer's IRC guide
Look like vista
Computer Jargon Glossary

EXPLANATIONS


Graphics card: Changes how stuff (videos, pics, GAMES) look on your computer. Some games require an actual graphics card, not integrated.
Ram: GENERALLY improves computer speed, and decreases lag, allowing for use of several apps at once without slowing down your PC.
Hard Drive: Allows for for storage of files. More space means more things can be saved on your computer.
Processor:Essentially controls everything your computer does. More GHZ means it can process data at a quicker pace, increasing performance.

WHERE TO BUY COMPUTER PARTS


www.newegg.com Newegg
www.pcworld.com PC world ( recommended by maplesoul2)
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/indexca.asp? Tiger direct (recommended by lilvboy)
http://www.ncix.com/ (recommended by lonesoldier1 for Canadians)
CHEAP COMPUTER


Cheap Computer:

tacocrusher: MB (Gigabit lan, sound, video [dx10]): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131172 (I got it on a sale before; now $70)
Processor (2 cores, 2.8GHz, 2MB Cache): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103771 ($122)
HDD (160gb, 7200rpm): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822210004 ($45)
Power (Atx, 480w): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817170014 ($13)
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811156085 ($24)
Edited: Forgot to put cd/os
CD (sata, cdrom): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106038 ($14)
OS (XP Pro OEM): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116400 ($140)
Total: $427... you might want to upgrade the hard disk and cd drives

Other Info


This is all from one site, but you can probably get it cheaper if you search multiple sites.
And this is pretty good if you have a tight budget ($427).


ultracheese: You should add a link to the Free Software Directory up there. It has a lot of great alternatives to the software you listed and they're all free and open source. Some of them don't have Windows versions though.


All input/comments will be considered/appreciated.

EDIT: Many thanks for the sticky mrbasil and Nigi for the title change
Thanks to eLeeThax for his input

Last edit: May 30, 2009 at 13.51BT: eLeeThax's input


[quote]I will allow the distribution of this thread as long as credit is given. [/quote]

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