Why are we always looked down upon?
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toralan said: " Hello? You are the one whos posting it in all those Threads a few weeks back. That person may be the starting fire but it was You whos spreading it around by adding oil and wood into the fire as fuel. Now please stop posting those dumb Vids like a blind sheep." No thanks, there isn't anything preventing me from doing so.
gandalf0213 said: " No thanks, there isn't anything preventing me from doing so." Oh yes there is. Biased craps are the sources of all flame wars and its a violation to Basil rules so dont start it. The Vids are biased, the info is incorrect, these propaganda shouldnt be spreaded in the first place and it shouldnt now. Of course, I know that you read the Basil Rules a "million times", so you must already know this, huh.
toralan said: " Oh yes there is. Biased craps are the sources of all flame wars and its a violation to Basil rules so dont start it. The Vids are biased, the info is incorrect, these propaganda shouldnt be spreaded in the first place and it shouldnt now. Of course, I know that you read the Basil Rules a "million times", so you must already know this, huh." Watch part 2, 3, 4, and 4.5 please, the information is not wrong.
gandalf0213 said: " Watch part 2, 3, 4, and 4.5 please, the information is not wrong." Information not wrong? So lets assume the information is "F/P are better than I/L" and lets mainly discuss about 2. 1) Vid Showed I/Ls doing damage to Gobies, Goby House and Bone Fish. 2) Vid Showed Aimm doing 10K DMG to Hankies with lvl 17 Comp. 3) Vid Showed F/Ps can train at Skeles with Mist. 4) Vid Showed TS doing more damage than F/Ps Comp. 5) Vid Showed FA do 8K at Pianus. 6) Vid Showed Explosion does more damage at Himes. 7) Vid Showed Poison Works on Thanatos and Gate Keeper. 8) Vid Showed damage at Hankies. 9) Vid Showed damage at Grims, DTs, Kents Biasm and truths and which actually matter in a debate: 1) Gobies are Neutral, Goby Houses are Elemental Strong, BF is neutral. = Dumb Comparison being brought up. 2) Hankies have a Dual Weakness, OF COURSE COMP CAN DO 10K AT HANKIES AT LEVEL 17. = Biased Comparison being brought up. 3) Common knowledge, really. 4) DMP goes to Comp, DMG goes to TS. = Dumb Comparison. 5) Pianus is weak against Fire. Biased Comparison. 6) DMP goes to IS, DMG goes to Explosion. Dumb Comparison. 7) Common knowledge again. Pointless... 8) Same as 2. Biased, Hugely biased. 9) Grims and DTs are weak against Fire. Kents are Mist abused. Biased Comparison. The only thing that actually have some meanings to it is that F/P can train at Skeles with Mist early, everything else in the entire Vid is either biased or is just full of stupidity. What other information is there thats actually Not wrong?
toralan said: " Information not wrong? So lets assume the information is "F/P are better than I/L" and lets mainly discuss about 2." Ok, lets. [qupte]1) Vid Showed I/Ls doing damage to Gobies, Goby House and Bone Fish.[/quote] This is giving a handicap to F/P's, not wrong information. 2) Vid Showed Aimm doing 10K DMG to Hankies with lvl 17 Comp. Once again, handicap. 3) Vid Showed F/Ps can train at Skeles with Mist. Are you saying this is not true? 4) Vid Showed TS doing more damage than F/Ps Comp. Are you talking about part 3 when they're fighting Pap? If so, Comp is faster and makes more DPM. 5) Vid Showed FA do 8K at Pianus. Handicaps... 6) Vid Showed Explosion does more damage at Himes. This was a stupid thing to put... 7) Vid Showed Poison Works on Thanatos and Gate Keeper. I don't get your point, are you saying this isn't true? 8) Vid Showed damage at Hankies. Handicaps... 9) Vid Showed damage at Grims, DTs, Kents Handicaps... Biasm and truths and which actually matter in a debate: 1) Gobies are Neutral, Goby Houses are Elemental Strong, BF is neutral. = Dumb Comparison being brought up. Handicaps... 2) Hankies have a Dual Weakness, OF COURSE COMP CAN DO 10K AT HANKIES AT LEVEL 17. = Biased Comparison being brought up. Handicaps] 3) Common knowledge, really. "Z0mg w3 l3vlup fst3r @ h1mes" 4) DMP goes to Comp, DMG goes to TS. = Dumb Comparison. He was talking about DPM 5) Pianus is weak against Fire. Biased Comparison. Handicaps... 6) DMP goes to IS, DMG goes to Explosion. Dumb Comparison. Part 4.5 please 7) Common knowledge again. Pointless... He showed we can kill it at 71 8) Same as 2. Biased, Hugely biased. Handicaps... 9) Grims and DTs are weak against Fire. Kents are Mist abused. Biased Comparison. Handicaps... The only thing that actually have some meanings to it is that F/P can train at Skeles with Mist early, everything else in the entire Vid is either biased or is just full of stupidity. What other information is there thats actually Not wrong?[/quote] Watch part 4.5 please
gandalf0213 said: " Watch part 2, 3, 4, and 4.5 please, the information is not wrong." I did and I'm sad that I did. So many misconceptions that I don't even remember all of them. For starters, the claim that EQ is equivalent to being able to freeze with regular attacks. Um, no. Look up any SW thread on ultimates and you'll see F/Ps complaining about how it's harder to train with meteo than blizzard because of the constant damage they take. They'll also mention how quite frankly, EQ is blind as anything and doesn't match up to blizzard's freeze at all. Also, he compared I/L dmg on GOBIES with F/P dmg on DTs. Anyone with half a brain will know that DTs are fire weak and gobies are NOT ice weak. Furthermore, as I've said before, CL vs. FD is a pretty pointless comparison and I've already commented on I/L vs F/P with regards to bossing. Also his point about mana reflection...who's going to actually get mana reflection. If you're going to make vids on F/Ps, don't make biased ones that have little factual basis. Any self-respecting F/P will be ashamed. Especially when they see an F/P ksing an I/L with mist while the I/L asks him to cc. How is that something to be proud of? Thankfully the I/L cced himself rather than put up w/ it.
Lol. Hey idiot known as gandalf0213, do you even know what handicap means?
toralan said: "Lol. Hey idiot known as gandalf0213, do you even know what handicap means?" I'm not an idiot, and handicap means giving someone an advantage.
gandalf0213 said: " I'm not an idiot, and handicap means giving someone an advantage." Oh good, you actually know what it means. So tell me what does giving an advantage to a F/P in a Vid labeled "F/P is better than I/L" mean, please. Should I make a Vid about a I/L using Cold Beam against Snails and a F/P using Poison Brace on Macis and label it "I/L is better than F/P" and then say that everything inside is all true and that the information is all correct and its just that Im giving a handicap to the I/L?
@ Tolaran, Topic aside, do you remember the final fantasy betchslap picture that said "STF* Bit**, no one really cares", could you send it to me please? i kinda need it.
Christ guys, since Gandalf is so...pathetic at making these arguments, I'll play devil's advocate just for kicks. Please note that I don't believe for a fact that F/P's are better than I/Ls, and in fact, whoever makes that statement is being outrageously bold.I'm going to discard all of his arguments right now, by the way. So, let's take this slowly, from 2nd Job, to 3rd Job. In 2nd Job, we get Brace. This alone kills the I/L Wiz in training ablity. We can get amazing %/h just by using it at DTs, and ignore our hell levels. When it comes to single target damage, again, we win. I admit that I/Ls obviously save more potions since they can freeze, and they don't need to weave through monsters 24/7, especially those which do 1.3k damage per hit, but hey, we have faster training methods, and we can kill the weaker bosses quicker. In 3rd Job, I'd say both classes are pretty balanced. However, because of Mist, we can go to Skelegons at level 90 and get insane amounts of experience solo. This alone could tip the scale in our favour, but the Pot Burn, unfortunatly, evens things out. But even so, our single target DPS is still better than the I/Ls. In 4th Job...It's hard to argue. I'm sure at this point both classes are REALLY balanced. Our single target DPS still kicks the crap out of the I/Ls ass, even if CL is faster than Para (under the assumption that CL is hitting one thing only). CL is 88c/m, and Para is 84c/m. There's a 30 base damage difference. 84 times 30 > 4 times 180. Also, Paralyze can freeze a target for quite a while, when CL just aggros all the monsters in the area. Sure, CL might do more damage in a mob, but if you're at Skelegons, would you rather have a frozen Skelegon, with several others coming at you, or several aggro'd Skelegons coming at you? I understand that I/Ls have IS to freeze the Skelegons, but that freeze is a really short period of time compared to Paralyze. ID and FD do practically the same thing, but FD does more damage. Ifrit and Elquines...Ifrit does more damage, ElQuines freezes. Again, I'm going to use the same argument between Paralyze and CL. Would you rather have unfrozen aggro'd Skeles coming at you, or aggro'd frozen Skeles...frozen? The only thing which balances both classes, is the major fact that Blizzard freezes, and Meteo doesn't. Major points - Poison > (=) I/L training abilities F/P Single target damage > I/L single target damage by quite a bit F/P 4th Job has great freezing capabilities when compared to the I/L. And yes, I say this because Blizzard uses so much MP, compared to Paralyze and ElQuines, there's a clear difference in which is more efficient. This is some food for thought. Of course - I'm sure there's a lot of things which makes I/L's "better" than F/Ps too, but remember that I'm not saying as a fact that F/P is better.
Wow, and I thought the i/l section has some serious fools. Gandalf, u are fighting a LOSING arguement. Your god Aimm already admitted that he was very wrong about alot of his stuff, and he admitted it to fr0z who is a very very credible person, and a much more knowledgable f/p than you. So can all the talk about Aimm please die? Aimm has like every i/l and even alot of f/p arch mages against him, so why endorse anything he says? ever? Btw did u see his newest vid?:link Nice vid Aimm. Yea, lets all listen to a guy who's this mature =D
enrique said: "@ Tolaran, Topic aside, do you remember the final fantasy betchslap picture that said "STF* Bit**, no one really cares", could you send it to me please? i kinda need it." Yeah, I remember it but I wasnt the original person who posted that Pic though, I believe its sonny... something (local F/P of this Sub Forum). I tried looking for it on the web though but cant find that Pic at all. :S
how bout we settle on i/l and f/p are both good in their own way@ TS not alot of people dont like f/p because we cant mob in 2nd job
Yea, although we can't mob in 2nd job, we shouldn't be put down ounce spoted. |
