abakre2 said: "

I prooved everything in these videos wrong a million times....Anyways I agree. F/P do good damage but are looked down upon. And hey, people dont NEED me as an I/L. I'm just like the guy on the side...They only care about clerics"

SoulessFlame said: "Christ guys, since Gandalf is so...pathetic at making these arguments, I'll play devil's advocate just for kicks. Please note that I don't believe for a fact that F/P's are better than I/Ls, and in fact, whoever makes that statement is being outrageously bold.

I'm going to discard all of his arguments right now, by the way.

So, let's take this slowly, from 2nd Job, to 3rd Job.

In 2nd Job, we get Brace. This alone kills the I/L Wiz in training ablity. We can get amazing %/h just by using it at DTs, and ignore our hell levels. When it comes to single target damage, again, we win. I admit that I/Ls obviously save more potions since they can freeze, and they don't need to weave through monsters 24/7, especially those which do 1.3k damage per hit, but hey, we have faster training methods, and we can kill the weaker bosses quicker.
Im just trying to say i/l and f/p and different playing styles, and almost have the same capabilitys

In 3rd Job, I'd say both classes are pretty balanced. However, because of Mist, we can go to Skelegons at level 90 and get insane amounts of experience solo. This alone could tip the scale in our favour, but the Pot Burn, unfortunatly, evens things out. But even so, our single target DPS is still better than the I/Ls.

In 4th Job...It's hard to argue. I'm sure at this point both classes are REALLY balanced. Our single target DPS still kicks the crap out of the I/Ls ass, even if CL is faster than Para (under the assumption that CL is hitting one thing only). CL is 88c/m, and Para is 84c/m. There's a 30 base damage difference. 84 times 30 > 4 times 180. Also, Paralyze can freeze a target for quite a while, when CL just aggros all the monsters in the area. Sure, CL might do more damage in a mob, but if you're at Skelegons, would you rather have a frozen Skelegon, with several others coming at you, or several aggro'd Skelegons coming at you? I understand that I/Ls have IS to freeze the Skelegons, but that freeze is a really short period of time compared to Paralyze. ID and FD do practically the same thing, but FD does more damage. Ifrit and Elquines...Ifrit does more damage, ElQuines freezes. Again, I'm going to use the same argument between Paralyze and CL. Would you rather have unfrozen aggro'd Skeles coming at you, or aggro'd frozen Skeles...frozen? The only thing which balances both classes, is the major fact that Blizzard freezes, and Meteo doesn't.

Major points -

Poison > (=) I/L training abilities
F/P Single target damage > I/L single target damage by quite a bit
F/P 4th Job has great freezing capabilities when compared to the I/L. And yes, I say this because Blizzard uses so much MP, compared to Paralyze and ElQuines, there's a clear difference in which is more efficient.

This is some food for thought. Of course - I'm sure there's a lot of things which makes I/L's "better" than F/Ps too, but remember that I'm not saying as a fact that F/P is better."

bukie100 said: "


Why would u freeze a monster and just go get a drink of water or something.
When us i/ls train with ice strike (since u guys have no experience with training an i/l.) we keep attacking with ice strike so it stays frozen.
training with paralyze is slow and useless, and bosses are not freezable.
And you forget if we are not using blizzard to train (thats rare) we using CL+ID+Ifrit and last time i checked ID freezes."

SoulessFlame said: "ID doesn't freeze by IS or Para standards.

And by the way, to the person who posted that - Wouldn't you think IS is a little bit weak for training at Skelegons, compared to the massive and raw power of Paralyze? I've seen 14x I/Ls do 5k-6k max on Skelegons, compared to like the easy 15ks we do. Besides, here's another thing. When you use IS, the freeze duration is only long enough to get in one or two other attacks that are more powerful before having to use IS again. Paralyze is strong, it freezes, AND it's spammable. Only downside to it is that it doesn't mob.

Besides, we don't use Para to train like we'd use FA. When we're misting, and there's a bunch of Skeles, we use Para to freeze them so it's easier to weave through. That way, we only piss off one or two Skelegons instead of the whole bunch, which makes things a hell lot easier on our part."

gandalf0213 said: "
Nope, but if you actually made that thing, people would just laugh, but at least in the videos there are some fair stuff that really prove how F/P > I/L."

toralan said: "

Lol?

How exactly is giving an advantage for the F/P in a "F/P is better than I/L" fair? Its just like what I say with PB and Macis, If I give the PB User a Maci to deal with that means Im giving a handicap to I/L who can freely do damage to Snails no matter the damage since PB would always deal 1 to Macis.

You really are retarded arent you saying that giving an advantage to F/P so that they can do damage while not giving one to I/ls so that the Vid can mislead others into thinking that F/P actually do more damage means its biased, AKA NOT FAIR. Wow gandalf, you are even a bigger idiot than before."

aznktv said: "Sometimes I wonder why people say "R> Members for Party Quest, No F/P mages!" You know, it hurts. And sometimes when I'm in a Party quest, they'll say that I suck, or something like, "why did you choose f/p? i/l is waay better. I mean, yeah i/l can mob and freeze and are better to party with, but I just wish that they all how hard it is to make one and the effert used to continue them. Although us f/p mages solo a lot and will probably keep on soloing in our later lvs, maplers should be happy or excited to see a f/p and can't wait to invite one. In other words, I didn't stick with my F/P this whole time to be called a noob . . . F/P all the way ^.^ Oh, type what you feel about F/p mages"