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How do spearmen improve in the 4th job, when they become dark knights? Is it a radical improvement to go from a dragon knight to a dark knight? Replies
x1alphalite said: " Okay first of all you said almost everyone will die w/o HB If you been to HT runs you would see that there aren't as many NLs, BM and MM as you think. Max people for HT run is 30 people right? Theres always atleast 6 Drk and 6 bishops that means theres only 18 slots left. So are you telling me that the rest of those slots are filled with NLs, BM and MMs? Hell no theres always a few mages, heros and paladins. Also theres always extra Drks and Bishops. Just because NLs are the main attackers doesn't mean that majority of the runners are them. Like you said ALMOST everyone will die w/o HB in one hit. Less that 50% isnt ALMOST. "Most" is more than 50% and "almost" is like 70%+. Also why in the world would you be pointing out its touch dmg? Btw HTs Tail only does 21k DMG w/o PG. No many people would care about touch dmg. Its mostly the magic attacks. The highest magic atk HT can do, not including 1/1, is only 8k. I never said that HB is not needed. I know it is needed. EDIT: I forgot to mention buyers too." First off, buyers at this stage? Not so common. Secondly are you going to misread everything I say and take it literally on top of that? Warriors = 1 quarter of the ms job paths. Everyone who would die in one or two hits = 3 quarters of the job tree. And of course, we all know that nobody plays the ranged classes, or mages besides bishops right? So that naturally means that ALL high levels at ht are warriors and bishops? Am I right, oh great wise one? (just because your reading comprehension appears to be terrible, that's SARCASM. I don't actually think that way, ok?) Though please, point out where I said next to no warriors ever ht? Point out where I said EVERY slot was bishop, drk, ranged. Seeing as you're gonna taake me literally i'm going to reply to you literally. Now, you seem to have either forgotten or refused to answer my question. Seeing as hb is not only NEEDED for efficiency, improved survivability and incresed pot efficiency, but also WANTED where is the room to claim i'm wrong and argue? oh right, your posts are ****ING POINTLESS. kkty. Come back any time you want to start an un-necessary argument though. -_-
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Shinji, I do have to object to the idea of mages taking fewer hits to be killed than warriors. With Magic Guard which blocks 80% of damage and puts it on MP, it essentially gives mages 5 times their base HP. So as long as they have at least a fifth of a warrior's HP, they can survive a stronger attack, unless their MP is somehow less than 4 times their HP. The issue they face is that their survivability relies upon using both HP and MP pots, unless they're Bishops.
I know that senyain. I do have several mage characters as well as my warrior :PThe principle though is that the mages need hb to be a hell of a lot more efficient. Without hb they would make terrible losses due to pot costs (and to be fair they usually lose money bossing even WITH hb) So for people to be arguing not only that runs are fine without it (bye bye SE, 15 minute apples) but actually run smoothly without it seems horribly stupid to me. Then again, it's a DK arguing against me. I shouldn't be too surprised that such considerations aren't taken into account.
I agree; the only classes that definitively need HB to live (in most cases, I know nothing about HT) are the ranged classes. I cannot recall how many times I ended up soloing or duoing Papa Pixie with other warriors or bandits because the other classes simply would not fight it, either due to being 1hko'd, or 2hko'd by Papa Pixie. (Mages would sit out due to skill cancel). This was also due to the fact that I did not always bother to create well-balanced parties, since it took too long to do that.
TheShinji said: " First off, buyers at this stage? Not so common. Secondly are you going to misread everything I say and take it literally on top of that? Warriors = 1 quarter of the ms job paths. Everyone who would die in one or two hits = 3 quarters of the job tree. And of course, we all know that nobody plays the ranged classes, or mages besides bishops right? So that naturally means that ALL high levels at ht are warriors and bishops? Am I right, oh great wise one? (just because your reading comprehension appears to be terrible, that's SARCASM. I don't actually think that way, ok?) Though please, point out where I said next to no warriors ever ht? Point out where I said EVERY slot was bishop, drk, ranged. Seeing as you're gonna taake me literally i'm going to reply to you literally. Now, you seem to have either forgotten or refused to answer my question. Seeing as hb is not only NEEDED for efficiency, improved survivability and incresed pot efficiency, but also WANTED where is the room to claim i'm wrong and argue? oh right, your posts are ****ING POINTLESS. kkty. Come back any time you want to start an un-necessary argument though. -_-" First of all I never said you were wrong about why HB is needed My point is that you are exaggerating everything. How almost everyone dies at HT runs w/o HB. How it does 29k. Common think about, why would any1 who is serious about killing HT just jump into it? That just pure stupidity.
unclepain said: " Wall of text scares me  "-slap slap slap- Wall of text usually carry useful intelligent information. Especially when it comes from one of the best warrior calculator people on basil. I can understand if you dont want to enlighten yourself by reading, but dont post you didnt. Sure, everyone else does. But they all look stupid too, you really want to fit in with the stupid crowd?
Allright smart ass, i'm gonna introduce you to something horntail does called SEDUCTION. See what he tends to do is take control of your character and make you run into his body.But hey, without HB everyone'll be fine anyway right? drks aren't needed at all. Jesus I at least thought you knew SOMETHING about it, but you don't even know that, and you're trying to tell ME what is right and what isn't? xD
Senyain said: "Shinji, I do have to object to the idea of mages taking fewer hits to be killed than warriors. With Magic Guard which blocks 80% of damage and puts it on MP, it essentially gives mages 5 times their base HP. So as long as they have at least a fifth of a warrior's HP, they can survive a stronger attack, unless their MP is somehow less than 4 times their HP. The issue they face is that their survivability relies upon using both HP and MP pots, unless they're Bishops." Actually Mages have one of the highest chances of dying at HT because HT has dispel and stun
x1alphalite said: " Actually Mages have one of the highest chances of dying at HT because HT has dispel and stun" You should realize neither of us were speaking about boss scenarios, just in general.
TheShinji said: "Allright smart ass, i'm gonna introduce you to something horntail does called SEDUCTION. See what he tends to do is take control of your character and make you run into his body. But hey, without HB everyone'll be fine anyway right? drks aren't needed at all. Jesus I at least thought you knew SOMETHING about it, but you don't even know that, and you're trying to tell ME what is right and what isn't? xD" Seduced by Hotmail 
TheShinji said: "Allright smart ass, i'm gonna introduce you to something horntail does called SEDUCTION. See what he tends to do is take control of your character and make you run into his body. But hey, without HB everyone'll be fine anyway right? drks aren't needed at all. Jesus I at least thought you knew SOMETHING about it, but you don't even know that, and you're trying to tell ME what is right and what isn't? xD" Ya of course. There wouldn't be any need to bring Drks. So? What if HT used seduction, that would just mean almost everyone would die even with or w/o HB. So bringing up the seduction point is completely useless. everyone wouldve died so it doesnt matter HB isnt going ot help it stop seduction faster Brb brushing my teeth hurry up b/c i g2g sleep soon got school tommorow make it a good arguement this time
First off, how is bringing up seduction pointless?When you actually reach the level to go to ht, refuse your party hb and see what they do to you when they get seduced and killed because THEY CAN'T EVEN POT AND DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HP TO SURVIVE. Please though, continue with your pointless, 'special' logic. You're starting a pointless argument for the second time without being able to acknowledge that YOU ARE WRONG. JESUS CHRIST. At least most people are at least smart enough to start the argument when people say their class is useless. Yu're arguing that you're not necessary AT ALL. gfg, i'm dead serious. x1alphalite said: " Sep 17, 10:26pm Why did you go offline huh? Idk if you read my last post but I said "Ya of course. There wouldn't be any need to bring Drks. So? What if HT used seduction, that would just mean almost everyone would die even with or w/o HB. So bringing up the seduction point is completely useless. everyone wouldve died so it doesnt matter HB isnt going ot help it stop seduction faster" Whats your response? When you get back remember to respond. Just to tell your last point was completely stupid. Also I prefer if you relied on the thread so everyone can see what you wrote. and the link to it is link" I went to bed because it was ****ing 4 am. Good job again smartass. Please, do keep trying to 'pwn' me. This is getting funny. Oh, and keep my pm box clean of your idiocy from now on. Next time you want attention in a worthless 'debate' i'll happily run rings around you in the thread itself.
HB useless at HT? Nope, that's one of the few bosses where HB is required. HT has a powerful m.atk along godly tough damage unlike his predecessors 'Zak' where the touch is high only.Touch (tail) damage pretty much 1hko anyone except a few high level bish with HB on. M.atk from HT will kill most if not all BMs and NLs if HB wasn't involved. New Blog: CWK Badge results:
HappyBoar said: "Seduced by Hotmail "It's well known that Zakum has a bigger rock. Not to mention what those fists could do... |
