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Hi, I have a question. What is so great about dark knights? Every class usually has something that stands out in the 4th job. Night lords get triple throw, which basically looks like a long-ranged savage blow. Bishops and arch mages get their Ultimates. Etc.
How do spearmen improve in the 4th job, when they become dark knights? Is it a radical improvement to go from a dragon knight to a dark knight? Replies
Shinji, I do have to object to the idea of mages taking fewer hits to be killed than warriors. With Magic Guard which blocks 80% of damage and puts it on MP, it essentially gives mages 5 times their base HP. So as long as they have at least a fifth of a warrior's HP, they can survive a stronger attack, unless their MP is somehow less than 4 times their HP. The issue they face is that their survivability relies upon using both HP and MP pots, unless they're Bishops.
I know that senyain. I do have several mage characters as well as my warrior :P
The principle though is that the mages need hb to be a hell of a lot more efficient. Without hb they would make terrible losses due to pot costs (and to be fair they usually lose money bossing even WITH hb) So for people to be arguing not only that runs are fine without it (bye bye SE, 15 minute apples) but actually run smoothly without it seems horribly stupid to me. Then again, it's a DK arguing against me. I shouldn't be too surprised that such considerations aren't taken into account. New Pic: o.o
I agree; the only classes that definitively need HB to live (in most cases, I know nothing about HT) are the ranged classes. I cannot recall how many times I ended up soloing or duoing Papa Pixie with other warriors or bandits because the other classes simply would not fight it, either due to being 1hko'd, or 2hko'd by Papa Pixie. (Mages would sit out due to skill cancel). This was also due to the fact that I did not always bother to create well-balanced parties, since it took too long to do that.
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TheShinji said: " First off, buyers at this stage? Not so common. Secondly are you going to misread everything I say and take it literally on top of that? Warriors = 1 quarter of the ms job paths. Everyone who would die in one or two hits = 3 quarters of the job tree. And of course, we all know that nobody plays the ranged classes, or mages besides bishops right? So that naturally means that ALL high levels at ht are warriors and bishops? Am I right, oh great wise one? (just because your reading comprehension appears to be terrible, that's SARCASM. I don't actually think that way, ok?) Though please, point out where I said next to no warriors ever ht? Point out where I said EVERY slot was bishop, drk, ranged. Seeing as you're gonna taake me literally i'm going to reply to you literally. Now, you seem to have either forgotten or refused to answer my question. Seeing as hb is not only NEEDED for efficiency, improved survivability and incresed pot efficiency, but also WANTED where is the room to claim i'm wrong and argue? oh right, your posts are ****ING POINTLESS. kkty. Come back any time you want to start an un-necessary argument though. -_-" First of all I never said you were wrong about why HB is needed My point is that you are exaggerating everything. How almost everyone dies at HT runs w/o HB. How it does 29k. Common think about, why would any1 who is serious about killing HT just jump into it? That just pure stupidity. unclepain said: " Wall of text scares me  "-slap slap slap- Wall of text usually carry useful intelligent information. Especially when it comes from one of the best warrior calculator people on basil. I can understand if you dont want to enlighten yourself by reading, but dont post you didnt. Sure, everyone else does. But they all look stupid too, you really want to fit in with the stupid crowd? Allright smart ass, i'm gonna introduce you to something horntail does called SEDUCTION. See what he tends to do is take control of your character and make you run into his body.
But hey, without HB everyone'll be fine anyway right? drks aren't needed at all. Jesus I at least thought you knew SOMETHING about it, but you don't even know that, and you're trying to tell ME what is right and what isn't? xD New Pic: o.o
Senyain said: "Shinji, I do have to object to the idea of mages taking fewer hits to be killed than warriors. With Magic Guard which blocks 80% of damage and puts it on MP, it essentially gives mages 5 times their base HP. So as long as they have at least a fifth of a warrior's HP, they can survive a stronger attack, unless their MP is somehow less than 4 times their HP. The issue they face is that their survivability relies upon using both HP and MP pots, unless they're Bishops." Actually Mages have one of the highest chances of dying at HT because HT has dispel and stun x1alphalite said: " Actually Mages have one of the highest chances of dying at HT because HT has dispel and stun" You should realize neither of us were speaking about boss scenarios, just in general. New Blog: I AM NOT
TheShinji said: "Allright smart ass, i'm gonna introduce you to something horntail does called SEDUCTION. See what he tends to do is take control of your character and make you run into his body. But hey, without HB everyone'll be fine anyway right? drks aren't needed at all. Jesus I at least thought you knew SOMETHING about it, but you don't even know that, and you're trying to tell ME what is right and what isn't? xD" Seduced by Hotmail  TheShinji said: "Allright smart ass, i'm gonna introduce you to something horntail does called SEDUCTION. See what he tends to do is take control of your character and make you run into his body. But hey, without HB everyone'll be fine anyway right? drks aren't needed at all. Jesus I at least thought you knew SOMETHING about it, but you don't even know that, and you're trying to tell ME what is right and what isn't? xD" Ya of course. There wouldn't be any need to bring Drks. So? What if HT used seduction, that would just mean almost everyone would die even with or w/o HB. So bringing up the seduction point is completely useless. everyone wouldve died so it doesnt matter HB isnt going ot help it stop seduction faster Brb brushing my teeth hurry up b/c i g2g sleep soon got school tommorow make it a good arguement this time First off, how is bringing up seduction pointless?
When you actually reach the level to go to ht, refuse your party hb and see what they do to you when they get seduced and killed because THEY CAN'T EVEN POT AND DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HP TO SURVIVE. Please though, continue with your pointless, 'special' logic. You're starting a pointless argument for the second time without being able to acknowledge that YOU ARE WRONG. JESUS CHRIST. At least most people are at least smart enough to start the argument when people say their class is useless. Yu're arguing that you're not necessary AT ALL. gfg, i'm dead serious. x1alphalite said: " Sep 17, 10:26pm Why did you go offline huh? Idk if you read my last post but I said "Ya of course. There wouldn't be any need to bring Drks. So? What if HT used seduction, that would just mean almost everyone would die even with or w/o HB. So bringing up the seduction point is completely useless. everyone wouldve died so it doesnt matter HB isnt going ot help it stop seduction faster" Whats your response? When you get back remember to respond. Just to tell your last point was completely stupid. Also I prefer if you relied on the thread so everyone can see what you wrote. and the link to it is link" I went to bed because it was ****ing 4 am. Good job again smartass. Please, do keep trying to 'pwn' me. This is getting funny. Oh, and keep my pm box clean of your idiocy from now on. Next time you want attention in a worthless 'debate' i'll happily run rings around you in the thread itself. New Pic: o.o
HB useless at HT? Nope, that's one of the few bosses where HB is required. HT has a powerful m.atk along godly tough damage unlike his predecessors 'Zak' where the touch is high only.
Touch (tail) damage pretty much 1hko anyone except a few high level bish with HB on. M.atk from HT will kill most if not all BMs and NLs if HB wasn't involved. New Blog: Come battle me...
HappyBoar said: "Seduced by Hotmail "It's well known that Zakum has a bigger rock. Not to mention what those fists could do... x1alphalite said: " Sep 18, 5:14pm TheShinji said: "First off, how is bringing up seduction pointless? When you actually reach the level to go to ht, refuse your party hb and see what they do to you when they get seduced and killed because THEY CAN'T EVEN POT AND DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HP TO SURVIVE. Please though, continue with your pointless, 'special' logic. You're starting a pointless argument for the second time without being able to acknowledge that YOU ARE WRONG. JESUS CHRIST. At least most people are at least smart enough to start the argument when people say their class is useless. Yu're arguing that you're not necessary AT ALL. gfg, i'm dead serious. I went to bed because it was ****ing 4 am. Good job again smartass. Please, do keep trying to 'pwn' me. This is getting funny. Oh, and keep my pm box clean of your idiocy from now on. Next time you want attention in a worthless 'debate' i'll happily run rings around you in the thread itself." It is pointless because the main point of HB is so that NL, BM and MM can survive horntails magic attack right? Well if they get seduced and hit into HT physically do you think they will have enough HP to survive it even with HB? They barely have enough to survive its magic attack. Ask any of your friends that HT runs and is a NL, BM or MM and tell them to run into HT with HB and see if they survive. I know that ranged classes need HB to survive almost all HTs attacks even their magic attacks. I know w/o HB they would die. So please explain to me why you would mention about seduction. Either way ranged classes would die. And how am I suppose to debate with you w/o PMing you." I DID politely ask for you to keep your idiocy out of my inbox. So because ONE attack can one hit them, hb is useless? So instead of having ONE attack that's lethal, having ALL of them be lethal somehow makes the run more efficient? haha Also, you can debate by posting here. Chalk another one up for the smartass. New Pic: o.o
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