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[quote=KhainiWest]Have you ever played a bowmaster before? I'm just curious because you look really silly right now. When you're a bowmaster you [b]can't[/b] pot while in hurricane. In this case the priest was better off healing him considering hurricane's DPS would greatly and considerably destory any DPS the priest could produce. He was trying to be nice and invited him/her to join, the priest then disregarded it's initial job's priority and attacked the boss. As a bowmaster, with rather low Hp and hurricane being an unpottable scenario, I think it's clear in this specific case the priest was wrong. It's like football, the QB is useless if the linebackers don't guard him. The QB scores the points (indirectly as he throws the ball, technically, I know the catchers do) but he needs the assistance of him not being sacked (dieing in this case).

You talk about team work and how "bad apple" the MS community is, however you disagree the priest shouldn't have been assisting the BM retain optimum DPM for the benefit of the party by supporting him? Instead rant to the TS about "equal rights" essentially? I'd be pissed too if a priest can't understand SR"s damage isn't efficient enough to put party members at risk. You need cooperation and it sounds like the TS didn't get any and he's ranting about it.[/quote]

What makes you think TS was trying to be nice, he clearly stated he only took him in party because they needed one more for party. It's the same for all classes, piss me off when I'm an attacker class, I rather we fail the run then try. By the time we're in the run, you got nothing you can do about it. We bishops/priests/clerics, unless it seems like we have no clue what we're doing, we don't like being told what to do. It just pisses us off. In terms of football, if the QB relies 100% on the linebackers not to get sacked when attempting to pass the ball, then that QB fails. It is a possibility that the line will fall, and it is under those circumstances that if a QB succeeds a pass makes him a good one. If a priest doesn't heal, then heal yourself, it's the same as if you didn't have a priest, what are you going to do, just die ?

As I mentioned before, .. a priest/bishop only goes on a pq or run if they get something out of it. Or there is no point. I don't care if you call me selfish, but personally I don't go on runs when I don't see I can benefit. Espicially at level 200, I get no exp, unless I get rewarded for my time, don't expect me as a supporter, I'll more than likely be on an attacker. The priest simply wanted more exp, or just wanted to piss TS off more.

[quote=SilverFoxR]Ah, a Bishop... you must laugh at this thread... since you've probably been there.

From 30-119, you are yelled at, complained about, defamed, kicked around and treated like the least important party member - the team pet.
But from 120 onward, you can't be left alone with all the people trying to be nice to you just so you can leech them.

Pathetic, isn't it?[/quote]

QFT ! You Sir understand. =)
Thing is I got my first bishop to 12x prior 4th job, back when Tiger was around. It wasn't as bad then, but recently when I made a second bishop, you had idiots whom did as you mentioned, but of course I got even with them. =) It's funny sometimes, the same people whom abuses you forgets about it and later on attempts to ask you for free leech. That is if you out level and beat them to 120, of course I leech them .. but only if they 2x card, then I afk .. ^_^.
For people in general, treat others how you like to be treated and just cause you play a class that does more damage or something, that doesn't make you the boss.

[quote=aNtOneh]Thank you.
Idiots whom agree with him don't understand that.
@TS: Take us for granted and thats what you get, simple as that.
I personally play all classes, so I know what to expect. You on the other hand are an ignorant fool.[/quote]

Ah, a Bishop... you must laugh at this thread... since you've probably been there.

From 30-119, you are yelled at, complained about, defamed, kicked around and treated like the least important party member - the team pet.
But from 120 onward, you can't be left alone with all the people trying to be nice to you just so you can leech them.

Pathetic, isn't it?

[quote=aNtOneh]Thank you. =)[/quote]

QFT. Post2short.

[quote=FreakUnique]Dear TS,

I don't tell you how to be a generalising moron so don't tell clerics how to do their job. I've played a cleric and the amount of times someone blamed me for their death in LPQ when they were the other side of Alishar to the rest of the party was just a big fat joke. Thankfully the leaders took my side and booted the whiny little emo with speed that would put a sin with full haste to shame. It doesn't take away the fact that the aforementioned whiny little git would stalk me for weeks and mass defame me.

I refuse to be nice to anyone that looks down on me and treats me like an idiot. It's basic psychology that you should heave learnt when you was 4. That is presuming you have parents that actually do their jobs.[/quote]

Thank you. =)

Maybe you could convince him to look at the situation in a different perspective.
"think of us as zombies, heal us to death before we eat yo brains :o omnomnom"
is what you should have said.

Dear TS,

I don't tell you how to be a generalising moron so don't tell clerics how to do their job. I've played a cleric and the amount of times someone blamed me for their death in LPQ when they were the other side of Alishar to the rest of the party was just a big fat joke. Thankfully the leaders took my side and booted the whiny little emo with speed that would put a sin with full haste to shame. It doesn't take away the fact that the aforementioned whiny little git would stalk me for weeks and mass defame me.

I refuse to be nice to anyone that looks down on me and treats me like an idiot. It's basic psychology that you should heave learnt when you was 4. That is presuming you have parents that actually do their jobs.

[quote=SilverFoxR]You know what? This is why you don't rely on a Cleric. This is why you keep an eye on your own health and pot yourself if it gets low.

I don't care if you have someone who has the ability to spoon-feed you HP while you fight, you NEVER rely on them. Lag, fighting or stupidity will get you killed.

And do you want to know what the worst thing to do when you're partying with a Cleric is? Treating them like they're worthless other than just healing. You wanna know why? Because then they're just going to stop healing you and leave you to your own whiny devices. You could argue if Clerics are only good for healing/buffing and that's all till you're all blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is that if you insult someone, they will not want to help your ignorant arse...

...and that's pretty much what you did.[/quote]

Thank you.
Idiots whom agree with him don't understand that.
@TS: Take us for granted and thats what you get, simple as that.
I personally play all classes, so I know what to expect. You on the other hand are an ignorant fool.

You know what? This is why you don't rely on a Cleric. This is why you keep an eye on your own health and pot yourself if it gets low.

I don't care if you have someone who has the ability to spoon-feed you HP while you fight, you NEVER rely on them. Lag, fighting or stupidity will get you killed.

And do you want to know what the worst thing to do when you're partying with a Cleric is? Treating them like they're worthless other than just healing. You wanna know why? Because then they're just going to stop healing you and leave you to your own whiny devices. You could argue if Clerics are only good for healing/buffing and that's all till you're all blue in the face, but the fact of the matter is that if you insult someone, they will not want to help your ignorant arse...

...and that's pretty much what you did.

Hmm, cleric has a "skill" called heal. What is the true essence of a cleric? Are clerics suppose to be damage machines that generate potent magic to eliminate monsters efficiently? I guess it's safe to say, that the majority of clerics out there believe they are class of damage, when they have this skill called heal, of which no other class has. When most people think cleric, they think "Heal"... Is it not hard to atk while healing after every few atks? The TS is not undermining all clerics out there. He saw the dmg of one cleric and told him to heal because his dmg wasnt par to other clerics who can do sufficient dmg. A cleric's essence is heal, but they also have offensive skills as others do, but when ppl think cleric they think about heal, so the generaliztion of clerics can be only changed if the upcoming clerics never learn or use heal on other people.

Wow man For the people that understand thank you I now know that there are more of you then just my friend and a couple others but as you can see *level 200* there are d@uche bags like him who make the game soooo dumb and yeah I'm not gonna ranting back and forth with you on the computer so I'll end it by stating the obvious as you can see. I'll just ask my friend to help me more often if I need some HEAL and whats weird is that the male bishops and other male chars are the ones who are whining and just being idiots. ALL the girls who left comments agreed and understand what I was talking about and matter of fact the priest i was with was a male char. Yep i think that's it the idiotic ones are most likely males who fail at life and when you tell them to HEAL they go OMG You did not just tell me to heal. So ty girls for understanding =)! and sorry if this is a bit rude I just think those A holes need to be exposed hey guys.

CYAH

[quote=Manaphy777]whoever makes a priest and wants to do 892789739874 dmg (like that idiotic mage in the story that wanna do dmg to the boss) than get lost O_o[/quote]

Because the dmg cap allows that right? also, slamming #s on your keyboard really isnt cool.

[quote=SoulRyuu]I would usually ask the priest/bishop to only heal me if they see me lagging, as I wouldn't want to die, but other than that. I tell them, I have plenty of potions and can heal myself if they are busy. Basically, being told what to do over and over when you know already, is annoying.[/quote]

Thank you !
TS is just fustrated he was noob and died, lols. ^_^

[quote=sasuke1521]How would you do that? Mini dungeons ?[/quote]

Thats easy, I'm not 200 for nothing, lols.

[quote=Fob4eva][quote=NAnime]Archmages don't attack. End of Story. YOU HEAR THIS ARCHMAGES? //GG

Arch Mages don't even get respect and are invited to boss PQ's. Go play your pirate since you clearly do not know anything about Mages. Next thing you are going to say "oh i PLAYED it b4". Well I can say you DIDN'T[/quote]

I have been playing a Cleric/Priest/Bishop for 6 years, but never a mage. On the other hand, I don't know anything about pirates.

If you didn't get the sarcasm, I was just trying to show you how illogically and arrogantly you stated your opinion.

[quote=sl3athOwl]Them clawing the boss a few times and possibly not finishing the boss or pq because someone dies, gives almost the same exp as if they were constantly healing.

"You don't get JACK from not understanding what I've said"[/quote]

Actually, clawing (or otherwise dealing damage to) the boss even once substantially increase the EXP you receive, as opposed to holding down the heal hotkey. I have tried this many times.

You took a fail priest as a last resort knowing it wouldn't heal
It was your fault there bud

Just as @villagrey: stated; the thing that annoys us is when maplers die and just blame us for not healing.
What you see on your screen is a little different to what others see.
I have played with my friend side by side and there always 1-2 seconds delay.
It may not seem a long time but when bossing it becomes a different story.
You can't be too dependent on other.

I never rely on heal when I am in Dojo. I rely more on my drain.

Priests I train with are typically friends. I don't expect them to do so. As long as they're doing something. If they're off killing their own mob, I encourage them to have a blast. So long as I get my HS, I'm on my own as far as I'm concerned.

[quote=aNtOneh]Agreeed, he's lucky he's not in Scania or I'd make sure he'd never level again, lols. ^^.

@TS: You're looking down on us, because you think that healing is all priests are good for. That's what's wrong with your mentality you moron.
He rather die himself and let you die, now suck it up. Reasons why we bishops/priests choose to do thats, is cause we have idiots like you who tell us what to do, thinking all we're good for is HS and heal. Seriously, don't expect to have a priest/bishop in your party, because in most pq's/bosses they get nothing out of it. No exp. It's idiot like you, which is why we bishops/priests don't bother going in pqs and boss runs. We aren't your tools ![/quote]

How would you do that? Mini dungeons ?

[quote=NAnime]You don't get JACK exp from healing. It's just a lame excuse that people (not necessarily you) use.[/quote]

Them clawing the boss a few times and possibly not finishing the boss or pq because someone dies, gives almost the same exp as if they were constantly healing.

"You don't get JACK from not understanding what I've said"

@Skyenets:

Haha I didn't go through the pages well enough!
*Nervously looks around*

[quote=lilwebbie1]1st) How the heck are you level 200? 2nd) how am i looking down on you wtf you have issues dude and last exp? dude if you want exp go use your GEN at your training spots what you want 10k extra exp and seems like you didnt learn from the time you started till now that even if you attack its not gonna give you the exp you wanted its based on who puts in the most damage man How are you level 200?[/quote]

The way you put your 'sentences' together makes my eyes vomit.

Now I'm going to go around telling all the rangers that they have terrible grammar.
Derp.

[quote=archxever]IT'S official TS its one of those idiots that thinks priest are only a Healing slave and later on Leech Sellers. Im out of here.[/quote]

Agreeed, he's lucky he's not in Scania or I'd make sure he'd never level again, lols. ^^.

@TS: You're looking down on us, because you think that healing is all priests are good for. That's what's wrong with your mentality you moron.
He rather die himself and let you die, now suck it up. Reasons why we bishops/priests choose to do thats, is cause we have idiots like you who tell us what to do, thinking all we're good for is HS and heal. Seriously, don't expect to have a priest/bishop in your party, because in most pq's/bosses they get nothing out of it. No exp. It's idiot like you, which is why we bishops/priests don't bother going in pqs and boss runs. We aren't your tools !

[quote=Fob4eva]Priest don't attack. End of Story. YOU HEAR THIS PRIESTS?[/quote]

Archmages don't attack. End of Story. YOU HEAR THIS ARCHMAGES? //GG

[quote=sasuke1521]I agree with TS though, preists ARE heal /dispell/HS slave, they're just too self concieted; for instance, when i crog a bishop comes thinking he's gonna kill the crogs then when he gets KSed i get defamed ? and once an attempt to dc hack me ? Sorry for all the bishops but most of you guys are pure fail .[/quote]

Yes, they were created as a healing class. But the fact that you consider them your "heal slave" makes you the conceited one.

[quote=sl3athOwl]He's saying that the exp from the boss is negligible compared to what they'd already be getting if they only healed and that if they wanted exp they should be training[/quote]

You don't get JACK exp from healing. It's just a lame excuse that people (not necessarily you) use.

[quote=archxever]IT'S official TS its one of those idiots that thinks priest are only a Healing slave and later on Leech Sellers. Im out of here.[/quote]

He's saying that the exp from the boss is negligible compared to what they'd already be getting if they only healed and that if they wanted exp they should be training

[quote=cheroku]You can update your player without updating you pic --

Go to players then Say "My pic does NOT need to be updated" and update character!

More on topic :: That's pretty messed up, if you get a priest they should heal if they don't heal, boot em...
Priests are too weak, they are useless unless they are healing...

(No offense)

P.S. I love Priests, I'm not, in anyway, ripping on them...[/quote]

Lols, .. no no, he got a +1, didn't matter what class it was, point was he's an idiot. He only got the priest because, he needed +1, it was for his convenience.
Also, telling a priest to do what they already know, will just piss them off. I'd know, I've let idiots like TS die plenty. I rather use pot, then heal, which would save me on pots, but still I don't care if I waste pots, as long as he dies.

[quote=Mesniac]Right, just because you met one Cleric/Priest who didn't have a clear mind to what he's supposed to do, you think all think the same way.

Think before you post.[/quote]

Stop commenting in the same tread, having the same opinion. WE HAVE TO FOOL EVERYONE THAT WE ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON!

./end offtopic post.

But I agree.

[quote=lilwebbie1]1st) How the heck are you level 200? 2nd) how am i looking down on you wtf you have issues dude and last exp? dude if you want exp go use your GEN at your training spots what you want 10k extra exp and seems like you didnt learn from the time you started till now that even if you attack its not gonna give you the exp you wanted its based on who puts in the most damage man How are you level 200?[/quote]

IT'S official TS its one of those idiots that thinks priest are only a Healing slave and later on Leech Sellers. Im out of here.

May i ask? What PQ was it?

[quote=aNtOneh]Lols, at idiot TS.
Seriously, I can't keep lol'ing at how stupid TS is. You said you only added him cause you need one, then don't expect anything from him.
He's helping you by being in the party, he's allowing you to pq. Reasons why we bishops/priests alike let you idiots pot yourself and not heal is cause, you look down on us, thinking healing is all we can/should do. Seriously a idiot, SE is a active skill that lasts for a while, where as for heal, you need to constantly heal.
Lastly, we priest/bishops attack is because we want exp too. Why should we bother healing you if in the end, lets say for example you get 10% and get 1%?
If you were in Scania, I'd show you .. you should QUIT.[/quote]

1st) How the heck are you level 200? 2nd) how am i looking down on you wtf you have issues dude and last exp? dude if you want exp go use your GEN at your training spots what you want 10k extra exp and seems like you didnt learn from the time you started till now that even if you attack its not gonna give you the exp you wanted its based on who puts in the most damage man How are you level 200?

Right, just because you met one Cleric/Priest who didn't have a clear mind to what he's supposed to do, you think all think the same way.

Think before you post.

[quote=lilwebbie1]
BTW I'm Level 123 now I kept this pic of my ranger because this is my Favorite outfit[/quote]

You can update your player without updating you pic --

Go to players then Say "My pic does NOT need to be updated" and update character!

More on topic :: That's pretty messed up, if you get a priest they should heal if they don't heal, boot em...
Priests are too weak, they are useless unless they are healing...

(No offense)

P.S. I love Priests, I'm not, in anyway, ripping on them...

> Priest failed in your PQ.
> You go to basil telling all the healers that they are healers.
> The healers probably already knew this.
> The failing priest will still fail.

See what I did there?

[quote=villagrey]TS have you not updated your player status since you said you have no problem giving SE and thats a 4th job skill.
I also have a priest and in pq I heal, hs, and dispell if needed. What gets me is when people die and they blame the priest! "Stupid priest didn't heal".Priests need to pot too and you can't pot and heal at the same time so you should be prepared to pot yourself if needed.[/quote]

:O! villa is a heal slave XD

:o i see your point exactly. but im saying, that I'm an attacker-priest kinda. I get these super-godly equips and just attack :o

in a mob, i hit around like 7~10k at SR level 1 :o (is that great?) o.o

and so yeah, i mean, i get your point totally, that guy was a d0uche, but , some people can be attackers/hybrids kinda =D

just a perspective~

[quote=lilwebbie1]you get the point of what I'm trying to say but I disagree with the pots thing the boss did an attack where he slash the effect of our pots in half so typing HEAL would be smart and yelling at them? people most be to into the game if i type Heal Me how am I yelling at you? @.@[/quote]

I would NEVER EVER rely on someone else healing me because Worst case scenario i would die. EVEN if the boss cut the effect of your pots in half you should still try and heal yourself than "Typing" asking for heal because what would you do then if you didn't have a cleric in your party?

People have the bad habit of "If i have a cleric in my party i should forget i have HP Pots" kind of thing and that its WAY WAY bad. If you died with a cleric in your party then its part fault on the cleric for not noticing and healing you at the time and the other part of the fault also falls on you for not potting yourself in due time, Don't ever try to pin your death on someone else when you also have something to do with it. (And this is not only for you but for everyone else too)

lol, priests/clerics dont like bossy people, often times as a cleric, i would just ignore people like you, and normally i'd make my own party, i would expell those bossy characters and those who would die because they were too lazy to heal themselves using a pot when im buffing my skills needed for my survival and much wanted for extra hp (ie. HS: which btw you will get hit 2 times during the time it takes to buff HS and be able to heal right afterward)

you really should have known he wasn't gonna heal just because you asked him to. although, its normally expected of clerics/priest to heal their party members, when others tell you to do your job it gets annoying.

Lols, at idiot TS.
Seriously, I can't keep lol'ing at how stupid TS is. You said you only added him cause you need one, then don't expect anything from him.
He's helping you by being in the party, he's allowing you to pq. Reasons why we bishops/priests alike let you idiots pot yourself and not heal is cause, you look down on us, thinking healing is all we can/should do. Seriously a idiot, SE is a active skill that lasts for a while, where as for heal, you need to constantly heal.
Lastly, we priest/bishops attack is because we want exp too. Why should we bother healing you if in the end, lets say for example you get 10% and get 1%?
If you were in Scania, I'd show you .. you should QUIT.

[quote=archxever]In my opinion getting yelled at for Heal its a stupid thing for the cleric and for the one doing the yelling.

If you have time to type "Heal,Heal us,Cure us,Etc" then you most likely have time to press a stupid buton and use a HP pot.
And for the cleric it should be pretty obvious when its a good moment for "Trying to support the party by attacking" and were to spam heal, because seriously you have 2 freaking methods to know how many HP your Party Members have and you should know how hard they are being hit and heal accordingly.

In case of those stuborns "Idiotic" cleric then giving them the boot its the only option you have.[/quote]

you get the point of what I'm trying to say but I disagree with the pots thing the boss did an attack where he slash the effect of our pots in half so typing HEAL would be smart and yelling at them? people most be to into the game if i type Heal Me how am I yelling at you? @.@

We can't be EVERYWHERE, we could be sealed (although every clever mages should carry Holy Water or All cure pots) and also heal doesnt have long range so if you get away from a healer and attk the boss by yourself and your out of heal range then its your own fault , We clerics/priests cant be magically everywhere and heal you We are not gods.

But yer in this case this guy is really stupid. He obviously doesnt understand his role as a priest.

Honestly, I would rather stand there and spam heal than wasting so much pots trying to attack... I will only attack if the attaker's dmg is weaker than mine lol and when that happens it's just funny..

In my opinion getting yelled at for Heal its a stupid thing for the cleric and for the one doing the yelling.

If you have time to type "Heal,Heal us,Cure us,Etc" then you most likely have time to press a stupid buton and use a HP pot.
And for the cleric it should be pretty obvious when its a good moment for "Trying to support the party by attacking" and were to spam heal, because seriously you have 2 freaking methods to know how many HP your Party Members have and you should know how hard they are being hit and heal accordingly.

In case of those stuborns "Idiotic" cleric then giving them the boot its the only option you have.

Aside from that they get exp from healing....Whats really so wrong with that?
Do your job AND get free EXP from it wow sounds like a WIN WIN to me no?
fyking lazy arse healers illy dont be a cleric or priest if you dont wanna heal..

TS have you not updated your player status since you said you have no problem giving SE and thats a 4th job skill.
I also have a priest and in pq I heal, hs, and dispell if needed. What gets me is when people die and they blame the priest! "Stupid priest didn't heal".Priests need to pot too and you can't pot and heal at the same time so you should be prepared to pot yourself if needed.

Yes all Priest/bishop/clerix arent like this my friend is a 151 bishop and she never not once got mad at us for asking her to heal and sorry if i made you guys assume that i was talking about every priest

I know but the thing is some people seem to be using them as extreme slaves. I mean, don't you guys bring HP pots?
Some people have been screaming at me, telling me to heal them when I was under the state of seal...

Please don't start this. It always leads to generalizing, then the entire board is littered with these threads.

Either way, stubborn Priests like that are fairly rare, as the Clerics who refuse to support don't usually make it to ~100. When you do run into those people, the only thing you can really do is kick them from the party.

I'd like to point out that not all clerics/priests/bishops are like that.

an* attacker