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I love that you have a level 210 mule character

all i've learned from boss arena is that 1. i wont be having an emblem for a long time until i win the lottery and 2. wind archers are completely useless without wind walk

@bowcreaters: Well that would work if everyone lags evenly. However, I have fought people who don't seem to lag much and there's some whose lagging so much they would stand around for around 3-5 seconds (sometimes even longer) before moving/casting an attack. Even if they know the timing of their lag, there's not much they can do in terms of winning if the other person has seemingly no delay. Now if the other person has no barely any delay, super funded, and have an op boss arena class; you can have all the strategy in the world and that wouldn't help.

[quote=LuizEvilx]she does have her own strategy which is using her own skills to benefit herself, and being able to pull it off plus being able to kill the bosses ensures her victory. bishops might have the easiest time at boss arena but that doesnt even make them the best job overall, so what the hell are you crying about? no one cares if your job lacks the skills to beat others, or if you're too weak to beat other players. all of you who are trying to talk crap about her are so pathetic. its like crying about phantoms potentially being able to get the lowest dojo times. suck it up or go cry elsewhere[/quote]

Lol what if I tell you this boss arena thing only requires money not strategy? Any funded person who can kill boss in time is a winner.

@LuizEvilx: I love how you come in here, First of all i honestly dont care how she wins. My problem was how she stated the arena was balanced because the mode gives you multiple bosses to beat multiple classes which is false and i already debated, then she goes on to say with the right strategy even low dmg classes or players can beat high dmg classes or players which again is false because of the HUGE advantage players that can bring a boss to half health have. She then goes to tell me the opposite of everything she stated beforehand proving she does not even know what shes talking about. Dont come in here defending her just because everyone clearly sees she dosent know what shes talking about. I have no problem with her "achievement" congratulations but dont go on to say anyone else with lower dmg or "right" strategy can accomplish it, as the mode is very flawed and cant even be enjoyed fully.

[quote=snowdragon470]You spent two posts arguing how the mode required strategy and even someone with low damage could beat people with high damage, just to tell me it has no strategy and that you win not only because ure a bishop but because you have the dps to kill bosses. Lol im done debating with you, hypocrite.[/quote]

she does have her own strategy which is using her own skills to benefit herself, and being able to pull it off plus being able to kill the bosses ensures her victory. bishops might have the easiest time at boss arena but that doesnt even make them the best job overall, so what the hell are you crying about? no one cares if your job lacks the skills to beat others, or if you're too weak to beat other players. all of you who are trying to talk crap about her are so pathetic. its like crying about phantoms potentially being able to get the lowest dojo times. suck it up or go cry elsewhere

[quote=leehsieh97]Reminds me of League -_-

Thats actually a pretty nice emblem if you boomed your golden maple whatever one

BTW its not the bishop's fault that she is a bishop...[/quote]

Yeah, it's not her fault. But if she justifies her wins mainly with strategy and skills instead of her class advantages, then shes surely deluded.

[quote=leehsieh97]Reminds me of League -_-

Thats actually a pretty nice emblem if you boomed your golden maple whatever one

BTW its not the bishop's fault that she is a bishop...[/quote]

If you boomed the golden maple emblem, you can talk to athena pierce and buy a new one.

[quote=bowcreaters]You think Maplestory is a strategy based game? It never was, and it was always based on damage damage damage, whoever does the highest damage wins. And no, I hit B+ because I manage to kill the bosses. If you have never versed me, please dont assume. They released Boss Arena, which is less damage based and more strategy than most other normal bosses in the game, and yet you still complain that it's unbalanced. If you play Empress and give it the highest defense, you can heal up against someone who's doing max damage. They will definitely accumulate a few deaths before they kill you. But no, you only said Dragonoire and Ark are the only good bosses, which shows how little you understand boss arena. If you want your little "strategy" game, go play League of Legends.

@Azngothopz
Maplestory always had a time lag delay. Someone using a skill will show up a few seconds later on your screen, not only in Boss Arena but on all monsters. It's all about adapting to the lag, and predict their movements even with a delay.[/quote]
You spent two posts arguing how the mode required strategy and even someone with low damage could beat people with high damage, just to tell me it has no strategy and that you win not only because ure a bishop but because you have the dps to kill bosses. Lol im done debating with you, hypocrite.

@samlee042712:

Hehe, thanks

[quote=snowdragon470]See your argument MIGHT be valid if we COULD kill the boss but only the top maybe 2% CAN kill the boss so boss arena is strictly dependent on who survives better and since healing and or draining skills have a huge advantage the system itself is flawed, at least dont sit there saying "they gave you bosses to fit each class" because thats bs the only good bosses out of the choices are Drag and Ark (maybe cygnus if they have low elemental resist) the rest dont have nearly the same killing power. Just because you hit rank B+ by spamming heal and teleporting does not mean youre an expert in boss arena, heck the bishops ive played are some of the worst controlling the bosses because all they need is that 1 or 3rd kill, the mode is unbalanced and broken and if you think it requires good strategy then youve never played a real strategic game/ pvp.[/quote]

You think Maplestory is a strategy based game? It never was, and it was always based on damage damage damage, whoever does the highest damage wins. And no, I hit B+ because I manage to kill the bosses. If you have never versed me, please dont assume. They released Boss Arena, which is less damage based and more strategy than most other normal bosses in the game, and yet you still complain that it's unbalanced. If you play Empress and give it the highest defense, you can heal up against someone who's doing max damage. They will definitely accumulate a few deaths before they kill you. But no, you only said Dragonoire and Ark are the only good bosses, which shows how little you understand boss arena. If you want your little "strategy" game, go play League of Legends.

@Azngothopz
Maplestory always had a time lag delay. Someone using a skill will show up a few seconds later on your screen, not only in Boss Arena but on all monsters. It's all about adapting to the lag, and predict their movements even with a delay.

[quote=bowcreaters]I guess your definition of achievement would be "oh, I hit max damage, I can kill the boss arena bosses in 30 seconds, I win instantly". Boss arena is all about strategy, it allows the weak people to enjoy the game and play on the same level as people with max range and hitting 50m per line. There are ways to beat every job, and I can say that I do not win 100% of the time. It's difficult to understand why people would complain about Pay2Win format of MS, and then complain about boss arena being unbalanced when it's all about skills and predicting how your opponent would move around the map.[/quote]

Probably one of the most deluded comments I've read in a while. Boss arena is mainly lag + dps + class. Strategies and skills? Please your giving maplestory and yourself way too much credit.

[quote=KyuuKyuuMoar]@bowcreaters Does your emblem weaken if your rank drops?
@DiuMeHarder Isn't the Golden Maple Emblem 10 all, 2 atts? Meaning, the 4 att shown here kinda makes up for the loss of 2allstat, no?[/quote]

Correct but it's also lvl 100 third tier meaning u get better potentials out of it.

[quote=bowcreaters]I never said boss arena doesnt depend on classes. I said there are ways you can deal with each class. Nexon allowed you to choose different bosses in the beginning of the battle, it's not like you can only choose one. Think about how Nexon balances the game in general. Some classes just deals more damage than others, for instance classes like Jett, Hayato, etc. can never compete against Xenon or Dark knights in terms of DPM with same amount of funding. Would you say that's not balanced? Would you rather have every job deal the same amount of DPM with the same amount of funding? Classes differ from one another to allow for a variety. And I noticed in your argument, you mentioned night lords. Would you say it's balanced that Night Lords can solo hell gollux more effectively than every other class out there? Should Nexon touch upon that as well?

@Copyrighted
There is no exploit in Boss Arena. I am simply playing as my job, and you are playing as yours. Same for my argument @Kiitsune, different jobs excel at different things, bishops may be better at boss arena in terms of surviving, but we can never compete in damage output and killing the boss against other classes.[/quote]

See your argument MIGHT be valid if we COULD kill the boss but only the top maybe 2% CAN kill the boss so boss arena is strictly dependent on who survives better and since healing and or draining skills have a huge advantage the system itself is flawed, at least dont sit there saying "they gave you bosses to fit each class" because thats bs the only good bosses out of the choices are Drag and Ark (maybe cygnus if they have low elemental resist) the rest dont have nearly the same killing power. Just because you hit rank B+ by spamming heal and teleporting does not mean youre an expert in boss arena, heck the bishops ive played are some of the worst controlling the bosses because all they need is that 1 or 3rd kill, the mode is unbalanced and broken and if you think it requires good strategy then youve never played a real strategic game/ pvp.

[quote=Kiitsune]Let me just use my NL's flash jump to get away from bosses. Oh wait that's limited.
Let me just use darksight to avoid stuff. Oh wait I can't use that.
Let me just use drain. wait they removed that ages ago.

You really think boss arena doesn't depend on classes? You're a fool.[/quote]

I never said boss arena doesnt depend on classes. I said there are ways you can deal with each class. Nexon allowed you to choose different bosses in the beginning of the battle, it's not like you can only choose one. Think about how Nexon balances the game in general. Some classes just deals more damage than others, for instance classes like Jett, Hayato, etc. can never compete against Xenon or Dark knights in terms of DPM with same amount of funding. Would you say that's not balanced? Would you rather have every job deal the same amount of DPM with the same amount of funding? Classes differ from one another to allow for a variety. And I noticed in your argument, you mentioned night lords. Would you say it's balanced that Night Lords can solo hell gollux more effectively than every other class out there? Should Nexon touch upon that as well?

@Copyrighted
There is no exploit in Boss Arena. I am simply playing as my job, and you are playing as yours. Same for my argument @Kiitsune, different jobs excel at different things, bishops may be better at boss arena in terms of surviving, but we can never compete in damage output and killing the boss against other classes.

Lol, thankfully, my B+ emblem came with +1 wep att above average

http://i58.tinypic.com/m1qoz.jpg

[quote=bowcreaters]I guess your definition of achievement would be "oh, I hit max damage, I can kill the boss arena bosses in 30 seconds, I win instantly". Boss arena is all about strategy, it allows the weak people to enjoy the game and play on the same level as people with max range and hitting 50m per line. There are ways to beat every job, and I can say that I do not win 100% of the time. It's difficult to understand why people would complain about Pay2Win format of MS, and then complain about boss arena being unbalanced when it's all about skills and predicting how your opponent would move around the map.[/quote]

Let me just use my NL's flash jump to get away from bosses. Oh wait that's limited.
Let me just use darksight to avoid stuff. Oh wait I can't use that.
Let me just use drain. wait they removed that ages ago.

You really think boss arena doesn't depend on classes? You're a fool.

[quote=AckarRed]If there's a crack in the armor, you can expect someone to exploit it. It's unfair tactic but a tactic nontheless. And what if that players follow a different set of morals entirely?[/quote]

Ya but in this situation its like saying a rich man robbing a bank. The bishop doesn't need the emblem as the gold emblem is far superior so I kinda have to agree with @copyrighted
I don't see why adventurer classes or classes with a emblem really do this especially when they're funded.

[quote=AckarRed]If there's a crack in the armor, you can expect someone to exploit it. It's unfair tactic but a tactic nontheless. And what if that players follow a different set of morals entirely?[/quote]

"The bank was left open, and everybody's life savings got stolen! But wait.. you can't blame the robbers! Blame the bank! It's their fault that they didn't lock up the safes, not the robbers' fault for having a low sense of morals!"

...yeah ok

This is PvP all over again.
MapleStory is already a broken game.

[quote=Copyrighted]So if Nexon accidentally leaves a loophole that allows players to exploit exp, the exploiters shouldn't be "hate[d]" on and all the "hate" should go to Nexon/producers? Just something to think about....

A loophole/unfair advantage given to a set of players is definitely unfair but it's also the player's moral responsibility to know when enough is enough.[/quote]

If there's a crack in the armor, you can expect someone to exploit it. It's unfair tactic but a tactic nontheless. And what if that players follow a different set of morals entirely?

[quote=Copyrighted]This is an achievement?
I've seen you in battle (like just about every bishop), you spam heal/angel ray/heaven door.
Oh btw, you know why it takes forever for you to get matched up? It's because people like you drive others away from enjoying this new addition. Sure, the producers haven't nerfed your ability but how about some moral judgement and stop with the "win no matter what" mentality.[/quote]

Don't hate the player, hate the game. Or the producers that made it.

[quote=bowcreaters] Oh also, since you lose points after each loss, it is really difficult to keep winning. (Each loss gives me -60, while each win gives me +10 to +15)[/quote]

Reminds me of League -_-

Thats actually a pretty nice emblem if you boomed your golden maple whatever one

BTW its not the bishop's fault that she is a bishop...

@lseki: I guess to each their own. No quest in this stupid game is fun to do for me; on the flipside, Boss Arena is...wait for it... [i]enjoyable[/i] for me to play. Guess I'll just go with this thing, lol (even if it is worse).

[quote=bowcreaters]I guess your definition of achievement would be "oh, I hit max damage, I can kill the boss arena bosses in 30 seconds, I win instantly". Boss arena is all about strategy, it allows the weak people to enjoy the game and play on the same level as people with max range and hitting 50m per line. There are ways to beat every job, and I can say that I do not win 100% of the time. It's difficult to understand why people would complain about Pay2Win format of MS, and then complain about boss arena being unbalanced when it's all about skills and predicting how your opponent would move around the map.[/quote]

Strategy? What strategy is there in spamming heal and heavens door, not to mention the stupid lag between pressing a skill and it actually activating, sure i might land the stun of drag+flamethrower and kill you once or twice but you will easily be able to out live me when its ure turn at the boss not because ure better at using him but because i as a buccaneer have no way of avoiding or healing dmg other than rush. Also your comment about being able to beat a godly player is absurd, i out played a db with my own that was 70 lvls lower i beat him in the amount of lives he took from me and all he had to do was get my boss to half hp to win, thats it. Its nearly impossible to beat a player that does max dmg unless you yourself can do high dmg as well considerin all they have to do is lower your boss to half hp then avoid dying all 15 times.

@kyuukyuumoar it took me about 15mins without rushing the dialogue its not long at all.

@bowcreaters Nobody's butthurt here, he's just pointing out how unbalanced Boss Arena is, and he makes a valid point.
@Copyrighted Totally with you on the butthurt thing.

@Erag0n1 Doesn't the Golden Maple Emblem take a [b][i]huge[/i][/b] questline to get though? I'm talking huge. I searched it up on HS, looks like it's way too long...

[quote=bowcreaters]I guess you are butthurt that you lost to a bishop. Dont be ignorant and say there is no strategic way to beat a bishop, when you haven't played as a bishop yourself in boss arena. If you use dragonoire and keep stunning and attacking, you can definitely win.

And please dont jump to conclusion that I'm doing it simply for recreation. The reward of boss arena is not only emblems, but gives out 100% chaos scroll every time you win. If you don't like boss arena, then don't do boss arena.[/quote]

Yeah, you tell em elie. I always win even though you're a bishop right! (:

[quote=Copyrighted]Did you read what I even said?
Nowhere did I complain about pay2win, and nowhere did I allude to my definition of "achievement" being high in damage range. When it comes to facing a bishop, there's very little an individual, strategy wise. The least you can do is acknowledge this deeply flawed feature in the game and stop acting like it is fair for all jobs.

I don't expect you to concede, especially since you're a bishop (able to obtain the gold maple leaf emblem and don't need this) doing this purely out of recreation. At least be considerate and try not to sacrifice others' experience with boss arena for your selfish desire for "fun".[/quote]

I guess you are butthurt that you lost to a bishop. Dont be ignorant and say there is no strategic way to beat a bishop, when you haven't played as a bishop yourself in boss arena. If you use dragonoire and keep stunning and attacking, you can definitely win.

And please dont jump to conclusion that I'm doing it simply for recreation. The reward of boss arena is not only emblems, but gives out 100% chaos scroll every time you win. If you don't like boss arena, then don't do boss arena.

I probably could've gotten A, but it got too time consuming so I just stuck with this B+ one

[quote=KyuuKyuuMoar]@bowcreaters Does your emblem weaken if your rank drops?
@DiuMeHarder Isn't the Golden Maple Emblem 10 all, 2 atts? Meaning, the 4 att shown here kinda makes up for the loss of 2allstat, no?[/quote]

the golden emblem is a higher tier. Makes a HUGE difference

[quote=KyuuKyuuMoar]@DiuMeHarder: No, can you pot the Golden Maple Emblem?[/quote]

Both emblems can be potted. What are you talking about?

@bowcreaters: But you have to at least be able to kill the boss.

[quote=ShiraokaJinja]@bowcreaters: But funding and class selection does inevitably matter, like, if I'm a bishop, and I always kill the boss, and I never die, then I will always not lose.[/quote]

Funding does matter. What I am saying is, even if you are super funded, like a Phantom hitting max damage on each arrow blaster, and stealing heal to survive better, there are still ways to kill them if you know what boss to pick and what skill combination to use. Will it be more difficult for you to win? Yes. But is it impossible to win? No.

@bowcreaters: But funding and class selection does inevitably matter, like, if I'm a bishop, and I always kill the boss, and I never die, then I will always not lose.

[quote=Copyrighted]This is an achievement?
I've seen you in battle (like just about every bishop), you spam heal/angel ray/heaven door.
Oh btw, you know why it takes forever for you to get matched up? It's because people like you drive others away from enjoying this new addition. Sure, the producers haven't nerfed your ability but how about some moral judgement and stop with the "win no matter what" mentality.[/quote]

I guess your definition of achievement would be "oh, I hit max damage, I can kill the boss arena bosses in 30 seconds, I win instantly". Boss arena is all about strategy, it allows the weak people to enjoy the game and play on the same level as people with max range and hitting 50m per line. There are ways to beat every job, and I can say that I do not win 100% of the time. It's difficult to understand why people would complain about Pay2Win format of MS, and then complain about boss arena being unbalanced when it's all about skills and predicting how your opponent would move around the map.

@cb000 So that's what you look like!

@KyuuKyuuMoar
You can pot this. I've done it and then upgraded stupidly and lost my pot.
ANd yes, your emblem weakens if ur rank drops (Only if you choose to receive another emblem. It replaces ur old one with the weaker one if you ranked down.)

[quote=KyuuKyuuMoar]@DiuMeHarder: No, can you pot the Golden Maple Emblem?[/quote]

The adventurer emblems can be potted and are 3rd tier, which makes up for the base stat difference from the boss arena emblems. For adventurers, it's better to use the adventurer emblem.

@DiuMeHarder: No, can you pot the Golden Maple Emblem?

@KyuuKyuuMoar: yeah but this one u gotta do the crappy boss areana stuff then gamble with luck for a better stat one. can u even pot this ?

@bowcreaters Does your emblem weaken if your rank drops?
@DiuMeHarder Isn't the Golden Maple Emblem 10 all, 2 atts? Meaning, the 4 att shown here kinda makes up for the loss of 2allstat, no?

The emblems can turn out over/under average aswell, I use the "worst" emblem I think, 1 over avg, +3m.att.
It really isn't worth the time to farm the better ones

[quote=1kevqn]Where's the A+ rank emblem?[/quote]

It's impossible to get A or A+ right now. This is because Boss Arena matches you up with people of similar rank, so I cant play people that are 1200 rank. For that reason, it probably takes me half an hour just to find one opponent. Oh also, since you lose points after each loss, it is really difficult to keep winning. (Each loss gives me -60, while each win gives me +10 to +15)

[quote=DiuMeHarder]isnt the golden maple leaf emblem like x10000 times better than this piece of[/quote]

for adventurers yes everyone else no since they cant get it they have to settle for the lvl60 boss pq emblem. except kaiser and ab

isnt the golden maple leaf emblem like x10000 times better than this piece of

Mr. b is certainly front paging "weird" (not the word i wanted to use but i didn't want to sound too rude) screens lately

Still level 60.... No thanks